Who is Fredric Gutterman?
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Who is Fredric Gutterman?
Chain of emails was sent to me this morning, What a Scammer!
Dear Captain Fredric,
I am Indian Student completing EASA License from the England. I have PPL IR ME and complete the CPL in one month time. I want Line training A320 or 737 in the Asia. I have fail JAA Flight test. I do not have DGCA license.
Which is better for me 737 or A320 ? I want to start immediately, CPL in JAA Country very difficult, I hope to find examination and validation easier in Asia region. I want to fly as a Vice Captain for 500 hours then be release as new employee with the company.
What is cost of Line Training/Type Rating/Base Check/Line Flying/MCC/ELT?
Please get back to me ASAP and I want to speak with you on telephone,
Thank you
XXX
Dear XXX,
What you can do is book with us for 260€ and I will work with you on a good school to finish your cpl and a line training . We have lot of experience here, we can help you.
You should have stayed away from jaa. There is no job in Europe and training is overpriced. Look at air France and alitalia, they are near bankrupt.
please find here our bank info if you wish to go with us.
send us a copy of your certificate, ppl(or license) , medical, last page of your logbook.
> Concern Billing Line training booking fee
>
> please pay 260€(or 350US$) to:
>
> BANQUE: KRUNG THAI BANK PUBLIC COMPANY LIMITED.
>
> Krung Thai Bank PCL
> 35 Sukhumvit Rd., Klong Toey Nua Subdistrict, Wattana District,
> Bangkok 10110
>
> SWIFT code: KRTHTHBK
> Cable code: KRUNGTHAI BANGKOK
>
> Beneficiary: Mr. Nicolas Anthony(tresory officer)
> Account number: 221-0-24447-1
...
Kind Regards,
Frederic Guterman
Recruiter
A320 & B737 Line Training Program
http://a320and737linetraining.********.com
Forget jaa, and easa and Asia. Asia is too limited.
Dear XXX,
We await your transfer,
What you need is a worldwide license.
We work mainly with faa pilots. And all faa pilots got jobs. I know about Indians, thousand of pilots looking for job and nobody help them.
Faa Certificates are good for life and faa is much easier and cheaper. In Asia you receive a validation based on your faa.
If you go with us I send you to one of my USA schools and then faa rating on jet airplane. We will take care of you.
I m sorry I have no much time to chat online. But you can reach me by email.
If you decide me to help you, I can save you lot of money. But I want you to book with us because we don't work for free. You want pay us via Western union? Or bank transfer?
Kind Regards,
Fredric Gutterman
STAY FAR FAR AWAY!
Dear Captain Fredric,
I am Indian Student completing EASA License from the England. I have PPL IR ME and complete the CPL in one month time. I want Line training A320 or 737 in the Asia. I have fail JAA Flight test. I do not have DGCA license.
Which is better for me 737 or A320 ? I want to start immediately, CPL in JAA Country very difficult, I hope to find examination and validation easier in Asia region. I want to fly as a Vice Captain for 500 hours then be release as new employee with the company.
What is cost of Line Training/Type Rating/Base Check/Line Flying/MCC/ELT?
Please get back to me ASAP and I want to speak with you on telephone,
Thank you
XXX
Dear XXX,
What you can do is book with us for 260€ and I will work with you on a good school to finish your cpl and a line training . We have lot of experience here, we can help you.
You should have stayed away from jaa. There is no job in Europe and training is overpriced. Look at air France and alitalia, they are near bankrupt.
please find here our bank info if you wish to go with us.
send us a copy of your certificate, ppl(or license) , medical, last page of your logbook.
> Concern Billing Line training booking fee
>
> please pay 260€(or 350US$) to:
>
> BANQUE: KRUNG THAI BANK PUBLIC COMPANY LIMITED.
>
> Krung Thai Bank PCL
> 35 Sukhumvit Rd., Klong Toey Nua Subdistrict, Wattana District,
> Bangkok 10110
>
> SWIFT code: KRTHTHBK
> Cable code: KRUNGTHAI BANGKOK
>
> Beneficiary: Mr. Nicolas Anthony(tresory officer)
> Account number: 221-0-24447-1
...
Kind Regards,
Frederic Guterman
Recruiter
A320 & B737 Line Training Program
http://a320and737linetraining.********.com
Forget jaa, and easa and Asia. Asia is too limited.
Dear XXX,
We await your transfer,
What you need is a worldwide license.
We work mainly with faa pilots. And all faa pilots got jobs. I know about Indians, thousand of pilots looking for job and nobody help them.
Faa Certificates are good for life and faa is much easier and cheaper. In Asia you receive a validation based on your faa.
If you go with us I send you to one of my USA schools and then faa rating on jet airplane. We will take care of you.
I m sorry I have no much time to chat online. But you can reach me by email.
If you decide me to help you, I can save you lot of money. But I want you to book with us because we don't work for free. You want pay us via Western union? Or bank transfer?
Kind Regards,
Fredric Gutterman
STAY FAR FAR AWAY!
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Sounds like a Nigerian scam right there, plus the person getting scammed sounds like an idiot himself, more guys like him flooding their way into this noble profession trying to "BUY" their way through flight training. 
Kind Regards,
Frederic Guterman
Recruiter
A320 & B737 Line Training Program
http://a320and737linetraining.********.com[/COLOR]
Forget jaa, and easa and Asia. Asia is too limited.
Dear XXX,
We await your transfer,
What you need is a worldwide license.
We work mainly with faa pilots. And all faa pilots got jobs. I know about Indians, thousand of pilots looking for job and nobody help them.
Faa Certificates are good for life and faa is much easier and cheaper. In Asia you receive a validation based on your faa.
If you go with us I send you to one of my USA schools and then faa rating on jet airplane. We will take care of you.
I m sorry I have no much time to chat online. But you can reach me by email.
If you decide me to help you, I can save you lot of money. But I want you to book with us because we don't work for free. You want pay us via Western union? Or bank transfer?
Kind Regards,
Fredric Gutterman
Frederic Guterman
Recruiter
A320 & B737 Line Training Program
http://a320and737linetraining.********.com[/COLOR]
Forget jaa, and easa and Asia. Asia is too limited.
Dear XXX,
We await your transfer,
What you need is a worldwide license.
We work mainly with faa pilots. And all faa pilots got jobs. I know about Indians, thousand of pilots looking for job and nobody help them.
Faa Certificates are good for life and faa is much easier and cheaper. In Asia you receive a validation based on your faa.
If you go with us I send you to one of my USA schools and then faa rating on jet airplane. We will take care of you.
I m sorry I have no much time to chat online. But you can reach me by email.
If you decide me to help you, I can save you lot of money. But I want you to book with us because we don't work for free. You want pay us via Western union? Or bank transfer?
Kind Regards,
Fredric Gutterman
This indicates that it's a false name name.
And check out this thread. Two people have been sucked in already. Amazing!
http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...-training.html
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The comments on his blog are hysterically funny!
Anonymous said...
been with them, and I can tell you the training is very good.
I pay the booking fee despite some bad comments on line, a few months later I received a contract from an Asian airline asking me to come to fly their 320.After 7 months or so, they proposed me to continue to fly for them for 2 years.
Sure Asia is not for everyone, but it's much better to have a job in a third world country than no job at all.all I can say, go for it.
June 8, 2012 at 6:38 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Its past four days since my classes started.
>>> Environment is good and they have good setup. Thanks for advising me about them.
>>> really appreciated.
October 1, 2012 at 2:37 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Its all because of you.
>> You are the man.
>> Looking forward to work with you now, once the type rating is over.
>> Thanks
>> Kind regards
>>
October 1, 2012 at 2:39 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hi fred,
I m flying now, thank you so much for your help.only idiots stay at home with their license waiting for a job.
Will never happen.
You saved my life:-)
February 17, 2013 at 9:09 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Uau!
Incredible. It was really amazing. After 1000h I was offered a captain position. Can't wait to be seated in the left seat.
Thank you guys! You are awesome!!!
Anonymous said...
been with them, and I can tell you the training is very good.
I pay the booking fee despite some bad comments on line, a few months later I received a contract from an Asian airline asking me to come to fly their 320.After 7 months or so, they proposed me to continue to fly for them for 2 years.
Sure Asia is not for everyone, but it's much better to have a job in a third world country than no job at all.all I can say, go for it.
June 8, 2012 at 6:38 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Its past four days since my classes started.
>>> Environment is good and they have good setup. Thanks for advising me about them.
>>> really appreciated.
October 1, 2012 at 2:37 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Its all because of you.
>> You are the man.
>> Looking forward to work with you now, once the type rating is over.
>> Thanks
>> Kind regards
>>
October 1, 2012 at 2:39 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Hi fred,
I m flying now, thank you so much for your help.only idiots stay at home with their license waiting for a job.
Will never happen.
You saved my life:-)
February 17, 2013 at 9:09 PM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Uau!
Incredible. It was really amazing. After 1000h I was offered a captain position. Can't wait to be seated in the left seat.
Thank you guys! You are awesome!!!
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I can take care of this guy and his website (no hacking or DDOS or other BS - strictly legal action!)
I would appreciate any info confirming that it is a scam (apart from the advance fee fraud) especially pilot training related statements which is not my field of expertise (1000 hrs to captain(?) for example).
Please use PM to avoid attracting unnecessary attention by the culprit.
I will publish his site on scamwarners.com.
I would appreciate any info confirming that it is a scam (apart from the advance fee fraud) especially pilot training related statements which is not my field of expertise (1000 hrs to captain(?) for example).
Please use PM to avoid attracting unnecessary attention by the culprit.
I will publish his site on scamwarners.com.
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Yes his website is under "maintenance" , is this thief based in Thailand ? There are scammers all around , these line training agents are going to be put to shame !
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We operate "worldwide". It is a bit tricky to locate gmail addresses as they don't show their IP. You need some "workaround". I have just started to "bait" the "c4d3t scheme" and try to get the necessary data that we can use to close down the website. I have also published both the "Gut3rm4n" and the "c4d3t scheme" (intentional leeting) on the Scamwarners website, so if anyone searches for more info before "enrolling" they might find it there.
I can offer to update this forum once these scammers have been shot down, if the mods will allow it.
I can offer to update this forum once these scammers have been shot down, if the mods will allow it.
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This individual was scammed by him and started his own blog about his experience
http://linetraininga320andboeing737.********.ca/
Why in the world would he have paid him in advance? Get in contact with him? [email protected]
http://linetraininga320andboeing737.********.ca/
Why in the world would he have paid him in advance? Get in contact with him? [email protected]
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Yeah why you guys pay in advance....? Want stab the next pilot in his back? Take his seat, pay the airline to play the jet pilot. at the end nobody is paid and this job become a hobby! For me the real scamer is the pilot! They scamed the entire system. I bet in a few months we will see p2f on eBay.... 
I don't see anything illegal as he tried to resolve his problem. (like a lawyer or an Hollywood agent....) The guy say he failed his jaa and need help. (do you really think a guy who fail their jaa can then fly a Boeing). OP is one of these these lazy pilots feeded with silver spoon by his rich family and maybe thought he will fly a jet with no license.
If I hire an agent or a middleman or a Recruiter or my mom or dad, and he tries to help me, I don't shot him down because I don't agree with him. If I was losing like 30k$ and get nothing in return, yeah that s scamming and I would be pissed off like hell.
Get a clue, if you don't want lose 200€ in some" administration fees " or job promess for line training (what the hell is line training anyway?I m sure in Nigeria they don't know what it is. Nigerian are smarter than that, they offer minimum 10 millions and want thousand $in return .... ) , Why you don't apply directly to the airlines.?Ryanair ask 50 bucks for your CV then ask more for their type rating, it doesn't make them scamers like In Nigeria. Ryanair doesn't give you a job because you sent them money.
Go see a lawyer and ask if he will work for free to recover the money that daddy gave you to buy a seat. I m sure he will laugh at you about your stupidity and immaturity and he will tell you to take this experience as a good lesson of spoiled kid and move on with your dreams. 200 bucks don't give you a seat in a jet cockpit.
Go get a job! Even if it 's not a flying job . I hope more idiots pay these agents, it will free desks of airlines HR . you can cut back your money lost on the next x box and play station 4. I heard companies lose 80$on each sale. Buy 2 or 3 boxes , you get your 200$ back In no time.
and it will keep your flight skill up to date in your momy' house.
I don't see anything illegal as he tried to resolve his problem. (like a lawyer or an Hollywood agent....) The guy say he failed his jaa and need help. (do you really think a guy who fail their jaa can then fly a Boeing). OP is one of these these lazy pilots feeded with silver spoon by his rich family and maybe thought he will fly a jet with no license.
If I hire an agent or a middleman or a Recruiter or my mom or dad, and he tries to help me, I don't shot him down because I don't agree with him. If I was losing like 30k$ and get nothing in return, yeah that s scamming and I would be pissed off like hell.
Get a clue, if you don't want lose 200€ in some" administration fees " or job promess for line training (what the hell is line training anyway?I m sure in Nigeria they don't know what it is. Nigerian are smarter than that, they offer minimum 10 millions and want thousand $in return .... ) , Why you don't apply directly to the airlines.?
Ryanair ask 50 bucks for your CV then ask more for their type rating, it doesn't make them scamers like In Nigeria. Ryanair doesn't give you a job because you sent them money. Go see a lawyer and ask if he will work for free to recover the money that daddy gave you to buy a seat. I m sure he will laugh at you about your stupidity and immaturity and he will tell you to take this experience as a good lesson of spoiled kid and move on with your dreams. 200 bucks don't give you a seat in a jet cockpit.
Go get a job! Even if it 's not a flying job . I hope more idiots pay these agents, it will free desks of airlines HR . you can cut back your money lost on the next x box and play station 4. I heard companies lose 80$on each sale. Buy 2 or 3 boxes , you get your 200$ back In no time.
and it will keep your flight skill up to date in your momy' house.
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Update:
The Gut3rm4n website has been "under maintenance" since early November and has since been dismantled bit by bit. Now it just asks for donations to the Philippines. Even Freddy's mail addy is gone.
The C4det Sch3me site is still online but appears to have been stripped of some vital information.
Anyway, both scammers have gone silent, which is good news.
The Gut3rm4n website has been "under maintenance" since early November and has since been dismantled bit by bit. Now it just asks for donations to the Philippines. Even Freddy's mail addy is gone.
The C4det Sch3me site is still online but appears to have been stripped of some vital information.
Anyway, both scammers have gone silent, which is good news.
