Air Republiq Airlines Job Offer? Legit or Not?
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Air Republiq Airlines Job Offer? Legit or Not?
I Applied for an FO job yesterday for this company, not knowing that you have to pay for own training. Since people who know me know I am totally not a fan of paying for own training i'd rather not go for it, but I am curious.
Does anyone know this airline : Air Republiq Airlines in Philipines? And know something about their practices? 22K Euro for TR on J41 , 1 yr contract renewable, fly between 40-60 hrs a month and earn around 26 euro per hour after training.
Especially in that corner of the world there are a lot of SCAM programs
. So does anyone know this TR program?
Myself I am not desperate , since I graduated from flight training only a month ago, but he , as said, I am curious what people know and think.
Does anyone know this airline : Air Republiq Airlines in Philipines? And know something about their practices? 22K Euro for TR on J41 , 1 yr contract renewable, fly between 40-60 hrs a month and earn around 26 euro per hour after training.
Especially in that corner of the world there are a lot of SCAM programs
. So does anyone know this TR program?Myself I am not desperate , since I graduated from flight training only a month ago, but he , as said, I am curious what people know and think.
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It would seem strange to me that they'd offer you a job without having to attend any kind of selection process or interview? Unless you've missed those details out? However, I don't know how it all works in that part of the world, so not sure if that's normal or not.
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Can't say if it's legit or not (and many are not) but assuming it's legit it's still a pretty crappy deal.
Crunch some of the numbers given above, taking into account realistic expenses of living a frugal lifestyle in a foreign country. (If you have ATPL debts as well, you probably won't even be able to service the debt so you're just getting deeper in the hole.) It will take you several years to break even on this deal, after which time you have a fairly useless TR and you're earning peanuts. Chances are you'll get the boot after one year in favour of the next guy with 22K burning a hole in his pocket (otherwise why the one year renewable contract) and you'll be even further out of pocket. Take a year out and go surfing instead, and you'll still be better off than this deal. Alternatively get a qualification that is in demand and earns good money: learn to rod out drains.
(A) If you don't expect to come away with more money than you started with then it's not a job.
(B) If you don't expect to come away with a qualification that will directly increase the chances of job, as defined by (A), happening in the imminent future then it's not career development and it's not training.
(C) If (A) and (B) are both true, it is probably best considered a hobby, for people who can afford expensive pastimes.
With the details given above, I think we're looking at (C) here.
Crunch some of the numbers given above, taking into account realistic expenses of living a frugal lifestyle in a foreign country. (If you have ATPL debts as well, you probably won't even be able to service the debt so you're just getting deeper in the hole.) It will take you several years to break even on this deal, after which time you have a fairly useless TR and you're earning peanuts. Chances are you'll get the boot after one year in favour of the next guy with 22K burning a hole in his pocket (otherwise why the one year renewable contract) and you'll be even further out of pocket. Take a year out and go surfing instead, and you'll still be better off than this deal. Alternatively get a qualification that is in demand and earns good money: learn to rod out drains.
(A) If you don't expect to come away with more money than you started with then it's not a job.
(B) If you don't expect to come away with a qualification that will directly increase the chances of job, as defined by (A), happening in the imminent future then it's not career development and it's not training.
(C) If (A) and (B) are both true, it is probably best considered a hobby, for people who can afford expensive pastimes.
With the details given above, I think we're looking at (C) here.
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Something smells really funny about the deal on offer, I got the offer myself written in bad english (mine is not perfect either wtiting on forums) within hours of applying in an almost an autoreplay manner starting with "dear captain", not even writing my name out.
As I realised while reading the offer that its p2p, I knew that this was nothing for me. But I was curious like yourself, as this also looked like the first scam-attempt I have received as a pilot applying for a job.
There is close to no info on the airline on the net but after a while I found out that the Air R is supposedly a new wing of another small Philipino operator, the contract on offer is through a company from India. So thats the parties involved.
The fact that they can kick you out up until you have payd well over half the total sum, thats while processing your documents, doesnt sound good. Smells of scam.
Ok it might not be a scam but its p2p and thats no go as you agree to yourself.
Instruct, instruct ,instruct ,instruct and instruct a bit more and before you know it someone will hire you as a paid F/O on a j41 or similar size aircraft, maybe even a bigger machine.
Good luck in the search for your first job!
As I realised while reading the offer that its p2p, I knew that this was nothing for me. But I was curious like yourself, as this also looked like the first scam-attempt I have received as a pilot applying for a job.
There is close to no info on the airline on the net but after a while I found out that the Air R is supposedly a new wing of another small Philipino operator, the contract on offer is through a company from India. So thats the parties involved.
The fact that they can kick you out up until you have payd well over half the total sum, thats while processing your documents, doesnt sound good. Smells of scam.
Ok it might not be a scam but its p2p and thats no go as you agree to yourself.
Instruct, instruct ,instruct ,instruct and instruct a bit more and before you know it someone will hire you as a paid F/O on a j41 or similar size aircraft, maybe even a bigger machine.
Good luck in the search for your first job!
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Thank you guys for the answers.
Well as said I am actually against P2F programs, since it brings down or T&C's.
Sorry guys for not giving enough info.
Also you have to send documents etc, and Pay 5000 Dollars. Even before you get there. No selection procedure as it seems.
And even if I had money, I would not do it.
I just don't have any money for any Program. And I am not willing to pay.
Well as said I am actually against P2F programs, since it brings down or T&C's.
Sorry guys for not giving enough info.
Also you have to send documents etc, and Pay 5000 Dollars. Even before you get there. No selection procedure as it seems.
And even if I had money, I would not do it.
I just don't have any money for any Program. And I am not willing to pay.
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Also you have to send documents etc, and Pay 5000 Dollars. Even before you get there. No selection procedure as it seems.
Maybe I should set up an airline. No aircraft, just charge a 5K application fee. Simples.
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I called up the number on their website. Spoke to some lady who didnt fully understand for whom she was working for. Eventually she played along and gave me a number for Capt Ramil Rivera the Chief Pilot. I then called him and he seemed like a friendly person and said they have an interview coming up on the 17th and that there is a 3000USD refundable fee in case you fail. He said there are only 4 slots remaining and they require a interview fee to confirm the candidates slot. I asked if a skype interview was possible and he said it may be possible but he can almost always tell if the candidate is good enough just by their resume. I'm no expert on scams or whatever but I was unable to find any info on the airline except that it is a subsidiary of Chief Pilots other airline some South Phoenix Airlines also in the Philippines.
Scam or no scam.... I dont know. I just thought I'd share my experience.
Scam or no scam.... I dont know. I just thought I'd share my experience.
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Thank you again TG. Your info is more then welcome.
And it all seems total scam. The fact that you have to pay upfront is a dark red flag.. If more people have experience with this company. Please share.
And it all seems total scam. The fact that you have to pay upfront is a dark red flag.
. If more people have experience with this company. Please share.
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@P40Warhawk,
I have seen you post in numerous threads where you say you have absolutely no interest in P2F, especially because you cannot afford it and what it does to the T&C in aviation.
Saying this, why an earth pay interest into a company you believe is a scam, ask for more information and start a thread on what could possibly be another P2F scheme? Are you sure you are not just hunting for the best of the worst companies to join?
I have seen you post in numerous threads where you say you have absolutely no interest in P2F, especially because you cannot afford it and what it does to the T&C in aviation.
Saying this, why an earth pay interest into a company you believe is a scam, ask for more information and start a thread on what could possibly be another P2F scheme? Are you sure you are not just hunting for the best of the worst companies to join?
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No I just want to find info about it to warn others. Just shine a light on it, since I did not find a warning thread about this company, so that others will be warned. Now this thread you could find via Google search. And more people know that you should avoid ARA.
Hell no , I am not interested in this.
Hell no , I am not interested in this.
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The management team have names and pictures of cartoon characters with blanked out faces! My limited knowledge of the Philippine aviation scene is that there are plenty of indigenous flying schools and a large population base, as well as a motivated and low cost labour force. Which rather begs the question why they would be seeking to "recruit" very inexperienced pilots from nearly half way around the globe for "stepping stone" vacancies.
Lots of red flags! I would treat it much the same as any other unsolicited advert', e-mail, or pop-up. You are an adult.....They are selling something......caveat emptor!
Lots of red flags! I would treat it much the same as any other unsolicited advert', e-mail, or pop-up. You are an adult.....They are selling something......caveat emptor!
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Ok I got the same offer and I called up and talked to the landline number posted in their website. You don't have to pay upfront you can pay them after reaching manila and visiting their office you just need to pay a security deposit of 3000usd at the time of interview and attend the interview they will refun the amount if i dont clear. I asked them if i can tour their hangar and look at their aircraft in Manila before I decide and they were ok with it. Contract is for an year and is renewable.
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During my conversation with chief pilot ramil, i asked if we can have a skype interview. I got a reply back today saying skype interview is possible and i should follow the procedure outlined in the attachment. The attachment had NO info on skype interview LOL. Now i'mma just troll them for a bit.
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@P40Warhawk,
I have seen you post in numerous threads where you say you have absolutely no interest in P2F, especially because you cannot afford it and what it does to the T&C in aviation.
Saying this, why an earth pay interest into a company you believe is a scam, ask for more information and start a thread on what could possibly be another P2F scheme? Are you sure you are not just hunting for the best of the worst companies to join?
I have seen you post in numerous threads where you say you have absolutely no interest in P2F, especially because you cannot afford it and what it does to the T&C in aviation.
Saying this, why an earth pay interest into a company you believe is a scam, ask for more information and start a thread on what could possibly be another P2F scheme? Are you sure you are not just hunting for the best of the worst companies to join?
Good Remark!
P40Warhawk, we all appreciate that you want warn young inexperience pilots...but what you are still doing a lot, is receive more information from others here in PPrune about all the P2F program to choose the best one to suit your needs!!
Be a pilot..do your own research ....sometimes you know if one day you could fly an aircraft you could be the only one in the cockpit with an Incapacitated CPT...so far..what you would do??...you will ask cabin crew or pax??
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Pilots who take on schemes like this should be black listed from any legacy/major/lo-co airline. Not only did you pay your way into the industry, which seems to be the norm now, your training must be so sub-standard that I would fear to be a passenger on a flight you operate.
Then again this is my personal opinion, obviously exceptions always exist and one may hit the jackpot but if you're that lucky why not just invest into the lottery?
I have just spent the last 6 months living off beans on toast and noodles and I've finally gotten a break into the industry, albeit not in a jet, I have my starting point and it's all upwards from now on.
If you feel ashamed of saying you fly a small single or multi-engine piston as a living to kick start your career, you are by no means an aviator or a person who truly is passionate about aviation.
Hard work will get you further and you'll earn the respect you deserve from your fellow aviators. Buy your way in and you'll always been looked down out.
Threads like this should not be allowed, you are simply inviting fellow ppruners to apply themselves, what next, a bidding war for p2f "jobs" on ebay?
Then again this is my personal opinion, obviously exceptions always exist and one may hit the jackpot but if you're that lucky why not just invest into the lottery?
I have just spent the last 6 months living off beans on toast and noodles and I've finally gotten a break into the industry, albeit not in a jet, I have my starting point and it's all upwards from now on.
If you feel ashamed of saying you fly a small single or multi-engine piston as a living to kick start your career, you are by no means an aviator or a person who truly is passionate about aviation.
Hard work will get you further and you'll earn the respect you deserve from your fellow aviators. Buy your way in and you'll always been looked down out.
Threads like this should not be allowed, you are simply inviting fellow ppruners to apply themselves, what next, a bidding war for p2f "jobs" on ebay?