Pay for a type at a legacy carrier?
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I have recently finished training with with my fATPL and 232 TT. My initial plan like most was to buy a type at a loco and build up hours and then apply or a carrier with better T&Cs.
But I was thinking what if I offered to pay or a type rating at a legacy carrier, BA, Emirates, Luthansa etc? I could offer €60000 for a type rating and skip the locos?
My fall back plan was to offer a loco €60000 on application on the understanding that I get more hours flying per year than those who pay €28500, and subsequently move on quicker. I understand that hours are dwindling at the locos so this should set me apart.
Is there any else thinking of doing this? Maybe if we get enough people together the airlines might take notice of us?
I have recently finished training with with my fATPL and 232 TT. My initial plan like most was to buy a type at a loco and build up hours and then apply or a carrier with better T&Cs.
But I was thinking what if I offered to pay or a type rating at a legacy carrier, BA, Emirates, Luthansa etc? I could offer €60000 for a type rating and skip the locos?
My fall back plan was to offer a loco €60000 on application on the understanding that I get more hours flying per year than those who pay €28500, and subsequently move on quicker. I understand that hours are dwindling at the locos so this should set me apart.
Is there any else thinking of doing this? Maybe if we get enough people together the airlines might take notice of us?
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I'm not a troll or an idiot. I have money, I'm 21 and want an airline job. I've noticed money trumps logged hours in getting work at the locos so I figure as I have even more money I should just head straight to the carriers offering a better job?
What's wrong with paying for a type rating?
What's wrong with paying for a type rating?
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We are exactly at the same number of total hrs.
I wish I still have that much left in my bank though. I have a better idea, I suggest we split your 60 grand for a decent camping tent and we pack our bags to go bush flying! It will be fun!
I wish I still have that much left in my bank though. I have a better idea, I suggest we split your 60 grand for a decent camping tent and we pack our bags to go bush flying! It will be fun!
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I'm not a troll or an idiot.
Troll.
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One of the things I have always enjoyed about the piloting profession during the 30 years I've worked in the industry is that I have finished each and every duty in the certain knowledge that I've done an honest days work without cheating a single sole - I think the majority of my colleagues fit into that category too.
On the contrary though, here we have a very greedy and selfish individual making a suggestion which is akin to sliding a brown envelope stuffed full of cash across the interview desk! IMHO his integrity is seriously in doubt because he has no regard whatsoever for the colleagues he could find himself working with, which makes me also question his CRM attributes.
I for one would seriously question his suitability to joining any sort of noble profession.
On the contrary though, here we have a very greedy and selfish individual making a suggestion which is akin to sliding a brown envelope stuffed full of cash across the interview desk! IMHO his integrity is seriously in doubt because he has no regard whatsoever for the colleagues he could find himself working with, which makes me also question his CRM attributes.
I for one would seriously question his suitability to joining any sort of noble profession.
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I'm not a troll or an idiot.
this should set me apart.
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Well no one owes me a job. Surely if I want one I'm going to have to put the money in. And my colleagues I end up working with will have paid 2-3 times the cost price for a type rating at some point in their careers? Plenty of those guys populate legacy jobs now, and also appear to vocally populate this forum and others.
We shouldn't expect carriers to pay or us guys. And we should be prepared for massive type-rating price increases too, no matter how many hours you have. That's the way its always been
We shouldn't expect carriers to pay or us guys. And we should be prepared for massive type-rating price increases too, no matter how many hours you have. That's the way its always been
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Is this what you are looking for Dun[ce]?
Only a few short/minor criterion for qualification and I'm sure with your excellent attitude towards financial matters they will welcome you with open arms.
And to guarantee fast track command, you can offer to pay upfront too.
Only a few short/minor criterion for qualification and I'm sure with your excellent attitude towards financial matters they will welcome you with open arms.
And to guarantee fast track command, you can offer to pay upfront too.
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thanks favete linguis, that was the programme that gave me the idea in the first place. I have already done my training so figure if I minus the cost I have already paid from the £84,000 and pay what's left I can get in. Those cadets substituted money for hours and appear to be welcomed by current BA pilots and PPrune in general so I should too.
I just spotted that Binman are asking or 65,000 euros for a 777 type + 500 hours but I cant afford that so I'm not suitable. B777 First Officer Self Funded Line Training-Latest Pilot Jobs-Latest Pilot Jobs
I wait or a few weeks and months or a reply from Thompson etc and see. I will probably just head to the locos though. The pilots there would have paid to get ahead anyway so can't complain if I pay more to get ahead of them themselves right?
I don't really want a fast-track command either.
I just spotted that Binman are asking or 65,000 euros for a 777 type + 500 hours but I cant afford that so I'm not suitable. B777 First Officer Self Funded Line Training-Latest Pilot Jobs-Latest Pilot Jobs
I wait or a few weeks and months or a reply from Thompson etc and see. I will probably just head to the locos though. The pilots there would have paid to get ahead anyway so can't complain if I pay more to get ahead of them themselves right?
I don't really want a fast-track command either.
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First you say You have so much money, and now you crawl back if I understand you correctly.
If not, then maybe you can also sponsor my TR+Line training.
Really you are a discrace to us pilots who work to make a living out of it and the ones who would love to fly , but are not able to fund own training, LIKE ME, and many more guys and girls.I don't say I am the biggest flying ace in the world, but I truly love aviation , and flying. I don't give anything about status or those golden stripes on my shoulders. Flying is my passion. If you work for a company in any kind of business, your employer pays for your training, and you sign a bond, in case you would like to leave, you have to pay back what is left of the bond, but because of people like you the starting salaries, if there are any salaries are already horribly low. For example, I am happy that Hello Airlines in Switzerland went Bankrubt. If you were rated on A320 you could fly there hours for no salary. Where is it going.
We make a huge investment to get our licenses, and then we get paid donkey balls, because of idiots like you who just pay to fly.
ONLY PASSENGERS SHOULD PAY TO FLY.
Seriously, your attitude sucks. And is extremely dangerous in the cockpit.
If not, then maybe you can also sponsor my TR+Line training.
Really you are a discrace to us pilots who work to make a living out of it and the ones who would love to fly , but are not able to fund own training, LIKE ME, and many more guys and girls.I don't say I am the biggest flying ace in the world, but I truly love aviation , and flying. I don't give anything about status or those golden stripes on my shoulders. Flying is my passion. If you work for a company in any kind of business, your employer pays for your training, and you sign a bond, in case you would like to leave, you have to pay back what is left of the bond, but because of people like you the starting salaries, if there are any salaries are already horribly low. For example, I am happy that Hello Airlines in Switzerland went Bankrubt. If you were rated on A320 you could fly there hours for no salary. Where is it going.
We make a huge investment to get our licenses, and then we get paid donkey balls, because of idiots like you who just pay to fly.
ONLY PASSENGERS SHOULD PAY TO FLY.
Seriously, your attitude sucks. And is extremely dangerous in the cockpit.
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My attitude is no different that anyone who has ever paid for a type rating at a loco.
Many of you replying have either paid or a type or known and worked with someone who has. Have you refused to work with them? Exposed them as cheaters? I doubt you have. You seem to have no problem with people paying 30000, but when I come along with more money and price your friends out, :blah blah blah paying money is wrong etc etc etc....
To the guys who have been here for years: get off your arses and actually do something within your companies. Stop the guys who bought types at locos advancing along in this career, if their CVs arrive at you carrier throw them in the bin! Refuse to work with anyone who ever paid for a type rating!!!! They have the same attitude that I am playing devils advocate with here!!!
Make the now accepted route of 1. Pay for type at loco, 2. apply for next carrier, stop working!!!!
the "vanity" airline pilot market.
What you are suggesting is not to pay for a TR! You want to offer a company x 3 /4 of what the real price is of th TR.
I've done an honest days work without cheating a single sole
On the contrary though, here we have a very greedy and selfish individual making a suggestion which is akin to sliding a brown envelope stuffed full of cash across the interview desk!
Seriously, your attitude sucks. And is extremely dangerous in the cockpit.
I would simply refuse operating with someone that has an attitude like his.
To the guys who have been here for years: get off your arses and actually do something within your companies. Stop the guys who bought types at locos advancing along in this career, if their CVs arrive at you carrier throw them in the bin! Refuse to work with anyone who ever paid for a type rating!!!! They have the same attitude that I am playing devils advocate with here!!!
Make the now accepted route of 1. Pay for type at loco, 2. apply for next carrier, stop working!!!!
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Really you are a discrace to us pilots who work to make a living out of it and the ones who would love to fly , but are not able to fund own training, LIKE ME, and many more guys and girls.I don't say I am the biggest flying ace in the world, but I truly love aviation , and flying. I don't give anything about status or those golden stripes on my shoulders. Flying is my passion. If you work for a company in any kind of business, your employer pays for your training, and you sign a bond, in case you would like to leave, you have to pay back what is left of the bond, but because of people like you the starting salaries, if there are any salaries are already horribly low. For example, I am happy that Hello Airlines in Switzerland went Bankrubt. If you were rated on A320 you could fly there hours for no salary. Where is it going.
We make a huge investment to get our licenses, and then we get paid donkey balls, because of idiots like you who just pay to fly.
ONLY PASSENGERS SHOULD PAY TO FLY.
Seriously, your attitude sucks. And is extremely dangerous in the cockpit.
We make a huge investment to get our licenses, and then we get paid donkey balls, because of idiots like you who just pay to fly.
ONLY PASSENGERS SHOULD PAY TO FLY.
Seriously, your attitude sucks. And is extremely dangerous in the cockpit.
THANK YOU for saving me the time to write this out
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You seem to have a number of severe misconceptions.
Even "lo-Co" airlines that shift the training cost burden on to the candidate by requiring them to pay for their own type ratings, operate a selective recruitment policy. Despite what some might like to believe, the ability to pay (which may well prevent an offer being accepted) doesn't simply become the requirement for an offer of employment.
Airlines (and certainly the reputable ones) recruit the best candidates as part of a selective and highly competitive process. The terms and conditions they offer as a part of that selection often reflect the realities of supply and demand in their particular section of that marketplace.
The airlines you mention (and many of those you don't) are looking for quality. Your ability to finance your type rating might be an issue of secondary importance once they have selected you as having satisfied their perception of quality, but anybody accepting an offer would be in that position so it is irrelevant to the recruitment strategy.
There are "vanity airline" recruitment companies in various parts of the world. The names are often trotted out on these very forums. Whatever may or may not be the risks of doing business with these companies, they would prima facie seem to satisfy your request, and perhaps this is where you might want to look, given the money that is burning a hole in your pocket. A word of caution though, these same companies are no strangers to many airline recruiters, and the inclusion or suggestion of some them in your CV or training record, would (certainly in some cases) raise a red flag on your application.
Your initial question and subsequent suggestions, would I politely suggest, suggest a tenuous grasp of reality in this particular industry. By all means write to the airlines concerned with your suggestion. I suspect you will get fairly bland and unexciting responses. On the other hand why not apply to the airlines who do offer opportunities to a few low hour pilots. You might get lucky and you will still get to spend your money.
Just what training" is it that you think you have finished? Wait until you see how long the road is to the Emerald city. When you reach the crest of this initial hill, the view ahead should give you your first shock.
Even "lo-Co" airlines that shift the training cost burden on to the candidate by requiring them to pay for their own type ratings, operate a selective recruitment policy. Despite what some might like to believe, the ability to pay (which may well prevent an offer being accepted) doesn't simply become the requirement for an offer of employment.
Airlines (and certainly the reputable ones) recruit the best candidates as part of a selective and highly competitive process. The terms and conditions they offer as a part of that selection often reflect the realities of supply and demand in their particular section of that marketplace.
The airlines you mention (and many of those you don't) are looking for quality. Your ability to finance your type rating might be an issue of secondary importance once they have selected you as having satisfied their perception of quality, but anybody accepting an offer would be in that position so it is irrelevant to the recruitment strategy.
There are "vanity airline" recruitment companies in various parts of the world. The names are often trotted out on these very forums. Whatever may or may not be the risks of doing business with these companies, they would prima facie seem to satisfy your request, and perhaps this is where you might want to look, given the money that is burning a hole in your pocket. A word of caution though, these same companies are no strangers to many airline recruiters, and the inclusion or suggestion of some them in your CV or training record, would (certainly in some cases) raise a red flag on your application.
Your initial question and subsequent suggestions, would I politely suggest, suggest a tenuous grasp of reality in this particular industry. By all means write to the airlines concerned with your suggestion. I suspect you will get fairly bland and unexciting responses. On the other hand why not apply to the airlines who do offer opportunities to a few low hour pilots. You might get lucky and you will still get to spend your money.
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I could even write a book about it Bearcat. My frustration for stuff like this. Things should change.
As a pilot you have a huge responsibility, and you should make the correct choices in moments where it is mandatory. Only because of that you should paid a good salary and being respected by your employer. I am not talking about that we should paid milions, because if we want to become a milionair, then you definetely choose the wrong career, but how should you survive when you don't get salary during your overpaid line training? Living on water and bread, paid by money you bagged for next to the local supermarket? And living under the bridge, since you cannot pay for an apartment.
How Low Timers get treated is HORRIBLE. And it all started when idiots like Dun started to accept to pay for their training.
As a pilot you have a huge responsibility, and you should make the correct choices in moments where it is mandatory. Only because of that you should paid a good salary and being respected by your employer. I am not talking about that we should paid milions, because if we want to become a milionair, then you definetely choose the wrong career, but how should you survive when you don't get salary during your overpaid line training? Living on water and bread, paid by money you bagged for next to the local supermarket? And living under the bridge, since you cannot pay for an apartment.
How Low Timers get treated is HORRIBLE. And it all started when idiots like Dun started to accept to pay for their training.
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So for the record you were trolling, you were called out within the first few post, you denied it, then you admit it as 'playing Devil's Advocate'. There are better ways to discuss real issues. This is why I, and I'm sure others, rarely go to the trouble of giving considered responses these days, because it is pretty obvious when we are being gamed by juveniles who will probably off back to World of Warcraft forum before they've bothered to absorb what other people have written.
Furthermore, you've probably given ideas to some money rich intellect poor wannabes and unscrupulous operators who will be only to willing to take their money. Well done with that.
Furthermore, you've probably given ideas to some money rich intellect poor wannabes and unscrupulous operators who will be only to willing to take their money. Well done with that.