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Old 29th Oct 2013, 22:45
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I mean that when you look on the CTC website, there is not a lot of information to justify a 100k payout for an airline programme.

However having been through the stages, there is a large amount of information given to you when you go down to CTC and listen to the presentation.

They allow you to take notes too, and questions are welome.

This is just what i have experienced.

UPDATE: Hearing from one of my friends on the September course they have now been told that they will be doing QCA exams and not EASA! Might be something to look at carefully if you are one of those cadets not in it for the long run.
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Old 30th Oct 2013, 05:00
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Ok, thanks for that charlie,
I'm still waiting for a selection date to become available. In the meantime i'll look into the qca license and conversion to easa etc. not to say i'm not in it for the long run, but it's just that no one knows what could happen after about 4 or 5 years.
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Old 30th Oct 2013, 08:18
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Phase 2

Hi guys!

I am in for phase 2&3 next month in NZ.

Is the phase 2&3 for Qatar Wings any different from usual CTC wings phase 2%3?

Any idea about where to get best Pilapt practice software?

What kind of questions do they ask in the interview?

Any tips in general?

Also, if I am successful, how long do I need to wait for phase 4?
Can anyone share some information about it? Does that takes place in Doha?


After completion of phase 4, how long do I need to wait to get a start date?

Thanks!
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Old 30th Oct 2013, 09:45
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Imran,

Phase 2 & 3 is almost identical to CTC phase 2 & 3, with some slight difference in the group discussion tasks. If you make the grade for CTC but not Qatar, you'll still be offered a place at CTC.

As far as whether you'll be going to Doha or not, not many of us could give you the answer. I'm not sure about NZ, but round here in the UK, we've been told to wait for Qatar to come over here.

As far as practice aptitude tests go, I can't speak for anyone else, but this is what I used and it seemed to work for me.

Hope that helps.

Charliegarner- so you've been waiting since September?? QCA - would that be the Qatari equivalent of EASA?

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Old 30th Oct 2013, 19:40
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Obviously, i suspect it's just a matter of paying for a conversion. I have to look into it further. Though can someone please clear up whether the a320 rating will be qcaa (i dont know too much about the administrative side), cos i heard in america you get an faa a320 rating and apparently it's a nightmare to convert to a jaa rating ?? I thought if you were qualified for the 320 in one country you could fly it anywhere. I mean a 320 is the same in every country. Either way i don't think it's anything major enough to put me off the programme.

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Old 30th Oct 2013, 20:44
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Thats exactly what i thought about the type writing, until i read this http://www.pprune.org/north-america/...ion-faa-9.html . The second post is what throws me off with needing the a320 checkride. I appreciate this guy is talking about going to america, but i read something else i cant find at the moment which mentions a similar process about converting to easa.
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Old 31st Oct 2013, 10:39
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ctbrown - still in selection for Aer Lingus cadet programme too. Doubt i will make the cut though. Nothing else though. Haven't yet received any rejections but been in the process for a dam long time now

Yeh to be perfectly honest i'm not fussed about having to convert licenses, especially with the attractive salary in our favour. But i really couldn't tell you.

All i know is that the wait time for selection stages is gradually increasing and whose to say they won't close it? Although its a rolling process, they already have a large amount of cadet pilots starting this year.

Regarding the QCA stuff, it was mentioned by a current Qatar Wings cadet that they would be doing QCA theory exams. To be perfectly honest you will have to convert something down the line anyway.

Thanks Momo95 for the research.
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Old 1st Nov 2013, 20:12
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Yes and if i am correct you don't have to retake all of the exams, purely because some mods eg principles of flight, weather is exactly the same over the 2 lisences.
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Old 5th Nov 2013, 06:28
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It makes no difference what or who did your exams. If you get issued a Qatari licence at the end of the course then you will have to take the 14 exams again to get an EASA licence.

Why are you even worrying about that anyway? Are you planning on jumping ship as soon as you have the 1500 hours?

You should be more worried about where the 100K pounds will come from to pay for the course.
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Old 5th Nov 2013, 10:13
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For those of you, like myself, who have attended, and passed phase 2/3 of the assessment day, I haven't read of anyone else picking up on the fact that having completed training, you won't initially go in as a FO. Instead, you will be a second officer on a third of the salary for an unconfirmed period of time!

Having called CTC yesterday, I was advised that there is a good chance that those of us waiting on final interviews, we MAY be given an update by the end of this week.
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The salary would seem to have that taken care of from what i'm hearing
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Old 5th Nov 2013, 10:54
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Sorry, in what sense will the salary take care of that?
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Old 5th Nov 2013, 13:38
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i posted in reference to pilotchute saying "You should be more worried about where the 100K pounds will come from to pay for the course."
My thinking being that most people will be taking out loans and so you would want a big enough salary in order to handle the repayments.
I don't know whether you've seen earlier posts but from people who say they've attended assessments (I'm still waiting for a phase 2 date so can't comment on the salary mentioned at it) the salary is meant to be around 60,000 (100,000 usd). That sounds like plenty to keep up with repayments bearing in mind the easyjet guys have around 15,000 a year and took out roughly the same amount in loans.

"I haven't read of anyone else picking up on the fact that having completed training, you won't initially go in as a FO. Instead, you will be a second officer on a third of the salary for an unconfirmed period of time!"

That is something that would worry me, but as I said I haven't yet attended an assessment and would only ever sign up once knowing the full details and me being totally satisfied that it is worth it.


BTW: your post at 11:13 didn't show up when i posted earlier hence the reason i didn't address it then.
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just one more thing, the ctc website specifically states we will be doing an a320 type rating and be an f/o, I never knew the a320 fleet had second officers.
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Old 5th Nov 2013, 14:09
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I see - sorry makes sense now.

Having attended both open days and the assessment, it isn't until the presentation at the start of the assessment day that this information is provided.
I jotted the figures down on scrap paper but can't seem to find them now but the figures were something like: $2800 p/m (+ flight allowances) whilst acting as second officer then $6500 p/m (+flight allowance) once FO. Obviously this is a ball park figure on their part.

When asked how long you would act as S/O they couldn't be specific but said approx 6 months.

Now if paying back the loan at say 1k per month, this may make the first 6 months a bit tight.

Good luck with your assessment.
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Old 5th Nov 2013, 17:21
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Good news about the update by the end of the week, if indeed it does happen.

Second officer is the position held during line training in Qatar prior to finishing training and taking up an F/O post on the A320.
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Old 5th Nov 2013, 20:52
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For those of you in the know (ie those who have been to CTC selection days/been offered course starting dates etc) do you know if you're guaranteed a flying job with Qatar? The only reason I ask is because of the Wings Cadets that were taken onto 5 year contracts with Qatar almost three years ago now. These cadets have not started flying the line yet and were recently told they will now be doing office jobs for the foreseeable future, possibly until their contracts expire. Pretty rough deal when other people who were on their courses have now got over 2000 hours flying A320's and B737s...
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Planedrive raises a very interesting point. There's something that doesn't quite add up about qatar airways' recruitment lately. Despite all of the supposed aircraft deliveries they still seem to be struggling to fill cadet positions.
I very recently spoke to a qatar pilot on a flight and he said he knows a friend who applied to qatar and did a sim assessment two years ago and they're still saying they're gonna call him up but not yet !!!!
Could it be that once they move airport and with further aircraft deluvered this will change ? Who knows.

And just out of interest, how much did the qatar cadets a few years back pay ? And was it just a tr or was it the full mpl like today ?
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Old 5th Nov 2013, 22:37
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15206,

Why did I post that? Because more than a few people on here don't seem to know what they are talking about.

Go on, take out your 100K loan and put a second mortgage on your parents house. When Qatar decide at the end of course that they have changed their minds you will be in a pickle. Qatar is notorious for treating its pilots poorly so don't be surprised if the contract "changes" a few times. You may even end up in a desk job like the Wings guys.
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Good post pilotchute, most probably the only sensible one
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