2012 CTC OAA & FTE Graduates review
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2012 CTC OAA & FTE Graduates review
It would be very helpful if those that graduated from CTC,OAA & FTE in 2012 gave a review of the course and what they are now doing.
This unfortunately involves some effort, but I’m sure that it would be helpful for the many that are looking at these schools.
This unfortunately involves some effort, but I’m sure that it would be helpful for the many that are looking at these schools.
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This has the makings of a good thread if it hasn't already appeared before. It would be good to know out of personal interest and for the many young PPL students who ask me about the success of obtaining a job after an integrated course.
It would be helpful if the replies stipulated whether working for a major airline, low cost airline, regional carrier, instructor or not working in aviation etc straight after the completion of your course in 2012.
It would be helpful if the replies stipulated whether working for a major airline, low cost airline, regional carrier, instructor or not working in aviation etc straight after the completion of your course in 2012.
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2009-2010 Brilliant time, great students, great instructors and absolutely horrendous Canteen food!
Bar and swimming pool 30 seconds away was also very handy.
Two years for first job - Jet2
2009-2010 Brilliant time, great students, great instructors and absolutely horrendous Canteen food!
Bar and swimming pool 30 seconds away was also very handy.
Two years for first job - Jet2
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OAA/CAE match up having a few teething issues. Instructors still very good (but some of the good staff have sadly left), ground school good but school now very busy (classes up to 50), the customer service side as average as usual. Aircraft even older, but some of the Senecas do fly from time to time. People seem to be getting interviews quickly for Ryanair upon graduation. Oh, apparently students are supposed to share bedrooms in Arizona when they move bases to the other side of Phoenix.
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I graduated from one of these schools in early 2009. Just under 50% of my course are in flying jobs, all lo-co or regional.
I was one of the lucky ones and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. However, would I start training in the current climate? Not a chance!
I was one of the lucky ones and I'm thoroughly enjoying it. However, would I start training in the current climate? Not a chance!
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Please put me out of my misery !! I asked this question on the another thread but can anybody out of OAA have a guess on the average class size and how many classes for 2012 so that i can take the 188 placement figure away from it and get an idea how many are still to be placed
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A handful of replies to date.
Come on guys, this is useful information for the hundreds thinking of joining an integrated scheme this year but having to rely on the schools' presentations and employment stats.
Come on guys, this is useful information for the hundreds thinking of joining an integrated scheme this year but having to rely on the schools' presentations and employment stats.
I asked this question on the another thread but can anybody out of OAA have a guess on the average class size and how many classes for 2012 so that i can take the 188 placement figure away from it and get an idea how many are still to be placed
Doesn't seem too bad to me, however I dont have a spare £90,000 lying around at the moment to take the punt..
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The employemnt statistics includes everyone that went through the door.
It includes all modular students as well even if all they did was distance learning for the theory course.
I did distance learning and was included in the figures for that year.
Also as well its not just last year it includes anyone in the last 5 years thats been there and needed to get a reference for an airport pass.
So your 62% is a bit high. Once you strip out ryanair who will take modular as well its really not very good.
In fact if the beast which is Ryanair stops pulling in cadets due to the tax issues which are on going and the fact that they have recived there last aircraft delivery the out look is pretty dire unless you are on a tagged scheme.
It includes all modular students as well even if all they did was distance learning for the theory course.
I did distance learning and was included in the figures for that year.
Also as well its not just last year it includes anyone in the last 5 years thats been there and needed to get a reference for an airport pass.
So your 62% is a bit high. Once you strip out ryanair who will take modular as well its really not very good.
In fact if the beast which is Ryanair stops pulling in cadets due to the tax issues which are on going and the fact that they have recived there last aircraft delivery the out look is pretty dire unless you are on a tagged scheme.
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Thank you pug, so on pure speculation it could be said that if CTC has the same class sizes and intake as OAA that with their 100% placement record they must be sending near on 250 to Easyjet each year with 50 to others?
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Mad jock has posted a more realistic and informed picture, and it doesn't look quite as good.
Of course, any placement record doesn't consider the T&C's the students are placed into. The BA FPP is certainly by far the best of a bad bunch at the moment, which is reflected in the number of applicants this year. There are some great people going for this and the final decisions are going to be difficult.
Of course, any placement record doesn't consider the T&C's the students are placed into. The BA FPP is certainly by far the best of a bad bunch at the moment, which is reflected in the number of applicants this year. There are some great people going for this and the final decisions are going to be difficult.
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The average course size at OAA is probably around the 20 mark. The odd double-course gets up to 50 but they are rare. As a guess I would hazard that 200-250 integrated cadets going through each year would not be far off. If the stats include modular then it would be difficult to put an exact number on it. I think an employment rate of 75% would sound fair for integrated cadets at OAA - pure speculation based on some anecdotes.
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if it was that high and they could pove it they would be using that fact for marketing.
I suspect its around 40% for none tagged students and if ryanair stop that will drop to under 10%.
I suspect its around 40% for none tagged students and if ryanair stop that will drop to under 10%.
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I think we are slowly getting to some sort of answer,don’t forget Jerez and other FTO.s placement into the big two, how many are they taking each year? I am a father trying to calculate through the sales blurb that despite reading 5000 billion pages of pprune - and I don’t exaggerate! can’t get to semi accurate figures - but I presume there are lots of people on here that know the intake details? and placement ratio.
And also lots of people who completed their training in 2011 in the big three that unfortunately don’t have a placement yet can provide info stats and advice
It was a good point that the placement figures could be from historical students also and not from the qualifying year and Iincluded 50 placements for tagged
I think with the amount of people that want to join the three FTO, s this and next year this is the ideal subject forum to gain from in training cadets in the know the figures required, this can do no harm to their chances of placement as it will probably only deter people behind them, but I think it will take a lot of participation apart from maybe a representative of each of the big three to explain the 2012 stats
The decision for a lot of students later this year is:
Go to university and get a backup career qualification which has been recommended just over 10 billion times on this wonderful site whilst still being able to apply for tagged cadetships as long as you don’t do any ATPL exams or 60 hrs PPL and wait for a possible recovery or FTO but for 2013 / 2014 for your £150K inclusive of TR, what are the chances?
And also lots of people who completed their training in 2011 in the big three that unfortunately don’t have a placement yet can provide info stats and advice
It was a good point that the placement figures could be from historical students also and not from the qualifying year and Iincluded 50 placements for tagged
I think with the amount of people that want to join the three FTO, s this and next year this is the ideal subject forum to gain from in training cadets in the know the figures required, this can do no harm to their chances of placement as it will probably only deter people behind them, but I think it will take a lot of participation apart from maybe a representative of each of the big three to explain the 2012 stats
The decision for a lot of students later this year is:
Go to university and get a backup career qualification which has been recommended just over 10 billion times on this wonderful site whilst still being able to apply for tagged cadetships as long as you don’t do any ATPL exams or 60 hrs PPL and wait for a possible recovery or FTO but for 2013 / 2014 for your £150K inclusive of TR, what are the chances?
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You won't get acurate figures.
The CAA figures are even setup so that nobody can make head or tale of how many are coming out with CPL/IR and ready to work and how many get the intial type rating.
Its all commercially sensitive for very good reason because it is.
The CAA figures are even setup so that nobody can make head or tale of how many are coming out with CPL/IR and ready to work and how many get the intial type rating.
Its all commercially sensitive for very good reason because it is.
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I'll add my 2 cents...
Graduated 09 from CTC, entered the then huge hold pool and waited a whole year for the call. Started flying for easyJet as flexicrew but took the first opportunity to go permanent and it all worked out.
CTC as a school is extremely good, I've flown with about 4 other schools and CTC was by far the most professional, it is very demanding but also rewarding as they truly do take you from zero to hero.
CTC as an employer (flexicrew), not so good, back when I did my time as flexislave, they took advantage of our leave and other things. I joined when flexicrew didn't even exist and I don't know if I would take the plunge now.
My final verdict, if you have the money and aren't putting yourself or your family in financial risk... go for it, it's a pretty good way to get to the rhs of a jet provided you make the grade.
All of my mates are flying for airlines now, most of them are still flexi, a few of us permanent. All relatively happy though.
Best of luck!
Graduated 09 from CTC, entered the then huge hold pool and waited a whole year for the call. Started flying for easyJet as flexicrew but took the first opportunity to go permanent and it all worked out.
CTC as a school is extremely good, I've flown with about 4 other schools and CTC was by far the most professional, it is very demanding but also rewarding as they truly do take you from zero to hero.
CTC as an employer (flexicrew), not so good, back when I did my time as flexislave, they took advantage of our leave and other things. I joined when flexicrew didn't even exist and I don't know if I would take the plunge now.
My final verdict, if you have the money and aren't putting yourself or your family in financial risk... go for it, it's a pretty good way to get to the rhs of a jet provided you make the grade.
All of my mates are flying for airlines now, most of them are still flexi, a few of us permanent. All relatively happy though.
Best of luck!
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As well as the RYR figures I’d strip out the Easyjet figures as well as anyone that OAA has provided to them over the past couple of years will no doubt be on short term flexi-crew contracts, as always there are lies, damn lies and then there are statistics. While the OAA statistics do not openly lie they are a very distorted view of the truth.
(They included people in their stats as getting Jobs with Cathay.. what actually happened was that these guys couldn't find jobs in EU land so had to head off to the other side of the world to do ALL their training again, to become Cathay Second Officers..)
However, i disagree with the easyJet figures.
I and many many of my colleagues are now all on very good, permanent contracts with easyJet with a good future ahead of us.
And the flexi contracts aren't short term either..
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I believe in the year I went through Oxford there were approximately 325 intergrated students. Classes ranged from 20 to 30 and in August they had a double intake of 60. Put on top of this modular which seemed to be quite a large number and graduated guys gaining employment at say a conservative 25% and your chances of finding employment shortly after graduating would be about 30%. Now thats based on what I saw happening and the demographic of the two courses either side of my own. Its not exactly fact but it does represent a three month window so come to your own conclusions.
Four and a bit years on of the 30 guys on my course only most are in flying jobs including BA, Lufthansa city line, easyjet (quite a few), Ryanair (most), wizz, a private charter company, cathay pacific. Some have been made redundant once or even twice before and some are now onto their third airline. About 15-20% did not go on to get jobs within four years. Some of the guys above are included in the 2012 statistics so it goes to show its not as easy as is some times portrayed.
Four and a bit years on of the 30 guys on my course only most are in flying jobs including BA, Lufthansa city line, easyjet (quite a few), Ryanair (most), wizz, a private charter company, cathay pacific. Some have been made redundant once or even twice before and some are now onto their third airline. About 15-20% did not go on to get jobs within four years. Some of the guys above are included in the 2012 statistics so it goes to show its not as easy as is some times portrayed.
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To the few that have contributed, it has been helpful.
To the other several hundred that have graduated, your lack of willingness to help inform potential new students is beyond belief.
These guys need current information that isn't from the schools' PR machines, and you can't be bothered to write a few lines but were desperate to know everything a few years ago. Unbelievable.
To the other several hundred that have graduated, your lack of willingness to help inform potential new students is beyond belief.
These guys need current information that isn't from the schools' PR machines, and you can't be bothered to write a few lines but were desperate to know everything a few years ago. Unbelievable.
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I think the only thing that is unbelievable here is that response by fans. not everyone checks here every day, and all the views could well be non integrated people. that was a spoilt brattish reply, and as good as this thread could have been, i dont think people should waste their time posting now to this kind of rudeness.