British Airways Future Pilot Programme.
Bear in mind despite all the above AFAIK there's been no actual official announcement that the "old" FPP scheme has been killed, though like others I think it is/was only a matter of time in the current climate.
OTOH the company (like many) have a history of not announcing what could be construed as bad or negative news and might just want to let FPP quietly slide away.
Be interesting to see what if anything get's announced officially by CTC and/or BA in the near future.
OTOH the company (like many) have a history of not announcing what could be construed as bad or negative news and might just want to let FPP quietly slide away.
Be interesting to see what if anything get's announced officially by CTC and/or BA in the near future.
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Correct. Anyone in Ground School can be accepted. To date 6 have attended Waterside. Those 6 are still awaiting the news on the outcome.
I can't comment on this flexicrew stuff though. I'm only saying what has been officially said.
Those I know who have attended waterside had very high Ground School results in the 90s.
Correct. Anyone in Ground School can be accepted. To date 6 have attended Waterside. Those 6 are still awaiting the news on the outcome.
I can't comment on this flexicrew stuff though. I'm only saying what has been officially said.
Those I know who have attended waterside had very high Ground School results in the 90s.
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I've got a question. BA FPP used to admit about 100+ applications, CTC has about 220 graduates every year, how will they find similar numbers from that pool?
Guess the only reasoning I can think of is that they are intaking nowhere near the same number.
Guess the only reasoning I can think of is that they are intaking nowhere near the same number.
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I don't think FPP will ever be announced as being scrapped, it'll just drift into distant memory like a lot of things have at BA, they're generally nicknamed "Enhancements". BA has and will simply make a fanfare that they recruit from CTC Whitetail.
As for recruitment numbers, I imagine there's enough DEP recruits that there isn't a great need to rely on cadet pilots. Remember, BA does and continue to cut costs drastically in all areas of the business, the airline has gone through massive change since FPP launched.
But I really hope that the flexicrew rumour remains a rumour, it'd be shameful of the flag carrier to drop to that level and I hope BALPA would get involved, but the ongoing mixed fleet dispute should tell you enough about how the airline is willing to treat it's staff. BA's glamour as the flag carrier is slowly seeping away, they're just another airline. Awfully sad but true.
As for recruitment numbers, I imagine there's enough DEP recruits that there isn't a great need to rely on cadet pilots. Remember, BA does and continue to cut costs drastically in all areas of the business, the airline has gone through massive change since FPP launched.
But I really hope that the flexicrew rumour remains a rumour, it'd be shameful of the flag carrier to drop to that level and I hope BALPA would get involved, but the ongoing mixed fleet dispute should tell you enough about how the airline is willing to treat it's staff. BA's glamour as the flag carrier is slowly seeping away, they're just another airline. Awfully sad but true.
I think a few of us know that if a manager at BA has a pet plan they drop it into unofficial discussion in order to test the temperature of the water and start rumour and possibly dissent running.
I hope for one the BACC and membership would put an end to any flexicrew plans PDQ, then again there is the argument that if somebody who is not a member of BALPA wants to negotiate their own contract BALPA can't intervene....I think BALPA has in theory more leverage once people are on the master seniority list.
I'd also commend the comments planesandthings made about T&Cs and the example of mixed fleet. If BA can get away with low T&Cs they will, regardless of tradition/flag carrier etc
I hope for one the BACC and membership would put an end to any flexicrew plans PDQ, then again there is the argument that if somebody who is not a member of BALPA wants to negotiate their own contract BALPA can't intervene....I think BALPA has in theory more leverage once people are on the master seniority list.
I'd also commend the comments planesandthings made about T&Cs and the example of mixed fleet. If BA can get away with low T&Cs they will, regardless of tradition/flag carrier etc
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FPP was only expected to run until 2016 so I guess that they recruited enough cadets to meet their needs. It also ran at OAA and FTE so they might have some sort of recruitment links with BA still.
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Worth mentioning though that although BA FPP may now drift into the distant memory. BA Cityflyer has been recruiting over the last few years through an MPL scheme, mostly through FTE Jerez but there have been opportunities through Kura + CTC for modular and experienced airline pilots alike.
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No big announcement from either CTC or BA yet.
Also, Pilots Job Network now says FPP may return in 2018 so maybe this Whitetail recruitment is less of a permanent arrangement and more of a stop gap?
Also, Pilots Job Network now says FPP may return in 2018 so maybe this Whitetail recruitment is less of a permanent arrangement and more of a stop gap?
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FPP expected to resume early to mid 2018. No cadet recruitment likely for 2017. Expected to be a shift from ATPL to MPL. Training will be completed with either CTC, FTE or OAA. Visit; - PilotJobsNetwork
How accurate/In The Know are they usually?
How accurate/In The Know are they usually?
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Yup, you're right, was updated 13th Feb IIRC.
Oh well, that's a shame. It would be nice if BA actually came out and said that FPP was over, or at least a message on pprune, as opposed to vague statements. But as others have mentioned on here, that's unlikely.
However, thanks very much to everyone on here who's provided updates! Despite the gutting news it has been much appreciated.
Oh well, that's a shame. It would be nice if BA actually came out and said that FPP was over, or at least a message on pprune, as opposed to vague statements. But as others have mentioned on here, that's unlikely.
However, thanks very much to everyone on here who's provided updates! Despite the gutting news it has been much appreciated.
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Uhhh, first of all, I've no idea how you've equated British Airways to Real Madrid.
Secondly, I'll refer you to this post: http://www.pprune.org/9432778-post3493.html
Secondly, I'll refer you to this post: http://www.pprune.org/9432778-post3493.html
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Lindsay, as the post says, has now moved on from Pilot Recruitment. His posts were always informative but were never official statements from BA.
I'm not even sure who the new manager is, but I'm not holding my breath for any posts on here, just like most of the other threads on here do not have airlines making posts.
As Lindsay said, the delay is undetermined, but what's clear for the next year at least is that BA is unlikely to re-open FPP, so attention should be turned to other schemes and ways into the industry, little point waiting with such uncertainty.
I'm not even sure who the new manager is, but I'm not holding my breath for any posts on here, just like most of the other threads on here do not have airlines making posts.
As Lindsay said, the delay is undetermined, but what's clear for the next year at least is that BA is unlikely to re-open FPP, so attention should be turned to other schemes and ways into the industry, little point waiting with such uncertainty.
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Hello guys,
Quick question for any past FPP cadets or anyone in the know. With this course could you take the joint BSc (at CTC) of which you completed the final year while employed by BA?
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Quick question for any past FPP cadets or anyone in the know. With this course could you take the joint BSc (at CTC) of which you completed the final year while employed by BA?
Cheers
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Update from Pilot Careers Live today:
BA's cadet pilot needs for 2017 and 2018 are being met by FPP cadets currently in training and a small number of CTC whitetails. Needs for 2019 are under review, as is the FPP. We should know the outcome of said review by the end of the year.
The BA recruitment team and pilots genuinley want to re-open the scheme in a similar form but are the first to admit that it will be managements decision, and that the scheme may be very different if/when it re-opens.
BA's cadet pilot needs for 2017 and 2018 are being met by FPP cadets currently in training and a small number of CTC whitetails. Needs for 2019 are under review, as is the FPP. We should know the outcome of said review by the end of the year.
The BA recruitment team and pilots genuinley want to re-open the scheme in a similar form but are the first to admit that it will be managements decision, and that the scheme may be very different if/when it re-opens.