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Just building on the above two comments, pretty much spot on - obviously we can't really give away questions we were asked but focus on the examples listed above and that's definitely a strong starting point.
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Hey chaps - not specific to the FPP, and a bit last minute, but OAA are having an open day this Saturday and I and at least one more of the current FPP cadets (we just started this week) will be around if you're able to visit and would like to discuss anything.
Book an Open Day - Oxford Pilot Training - I hope this link is OK; I am not an official OAA rep, just a cadet trying to help encourage future colleagues.
Book an Open Day - Oxford Pilot Training - I hope this link is OK; I am not an official OAA rep, just a cadet trying to help encourage future colleagues.
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Provided you have a fairly good proficiency of English, you have the same chance as everyone else. I don't know where everyone is getting that 6500 value from, BA announced that 2998 applied during last year's intake.
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These crazy 3000-7500 numbers are always thrown around but the "real" competition is probably a lot less. How many of that X000 complete the application, put some time into answering the questions and meet the basic academic criteria? How many are just applying because they saw an ad on Facebook (other social media is available) and thought the job sounds cool?
And with BA FPP specifically, it's been proven time and again that you're competing against a standard, not other people. Except for perhaps the first stage, if you meet the (undefined) criteria, then you will be put through.
And with BA FPP specifically, it's been proven time and again that you're competing against a standard, not other people. Except for perhaps the first stage, if you meet the (undefined) criteria, then you will be put through.
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The numbers they publish are for those who submit an application, not those who start applying. In the 2015 intake, 2998 applied, 700 were invited to phase 1, 140 to waterside stage 1 and 85 to stage 2, 72 of which were accepted.
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I doubt whether this programme has ever accepted a candidate from outside of the EU even if they were streets a head of the "standard". 
And with BA FPP specifically, it's been proven time and again that you're competing against a standard...
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Kirungi - sorry but I dont agree with you, and I actually think you are making a very serious allegation.
Those of us who have been through the process know that it is 'blind' , that is to say if you meet the initial eligibility criteria, you are assessed against the standard - irrespective of nationality, race, colour, sex, religion or anything else. You are assessed against measurable criteria. Of course BA aren't going to publish their marking/assesment scheme - who would... but all of the assessors are marking against a criteria and the computer based aptitude testing doesn't care what part of the world you come from either.
People seem to love 'stats' on this thread for some reason, and everyone is free to make of them what they will - however, the 'stats' dont have any bearing on 'YOUR' performance on the day - only the applicant can do this and the best chance they will have will be as a result of hard work and good preparation. It is only the PERFORMANCE of the Candidate that is judged.
I cannot say whether or not a candidate from outside the EU has been accepted into the programme so far as that is not information I have, however I would be willing to bet that if a Non EU national fitted the eligibility criteria (I.e had the right to live and work in the UK) and met the standard required they would be accepted.
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Those of us who have been through the process know that it is 'blind' , that is to say if you meet the initial eligibility criteria, you are assessed against the standard - irrespective of nationality, race, colour, sex, religion or anything else. You are assessed against measurable criteria. Of course BA aren't going to publish their marking/assesment scheme - who would... but all of the assessors are marking against a criteria and the computer based aptitude testing doesn't care what part of the world you come from either.
People seem to love 'stats' on this thread for some reason, and everyone is free to make of them what they will - however, the 'stats' dont have any bearing on 'YOUR' performance on the day - only the applicant can do this and the best chance they will have will be as a result of hard work and good preparation. It is only the PERFORMANCE of the Candidate that is judged.
I cannot say whether or not a candidate from outside the EU has been accepted into the programme so far as that is not information I have, however I would be willing to bet that if a Non EU national fitted the eligibility criteria (I.e had the right to live and work in the UK) and met the standard required they would be accepted.
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I doubt whether this programme has ever accepted a candidate from outside of the EU even if they were streets a head of the "standard".
The standard includes proficiency with the English language, and the right to live and work in the UK.
If you have the right to live and work in the UK, then you're not "outside" the EU, whether or not you're inside or outside when you apply.
The result then, is that someone who doesn't have the right to live and work in the UK doesn't meet the standard - so they can't be "streets ahead" of the standard.
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speedbird_cadet and FlyVeryHigh-,
Thank you for substantiating this doubt and by no means would I cross that line into making allegations. We all know that the whole selection process is not compurised and believe it or not, by human nature, preferances will always take priority to suit the business model. It's always going to be those "specific requirements" that are never clarified that BA uses to shift applicants.
I appreciate you both for this
darkroomsource; I think there is more to look at separately in your account. Standards and Right to live and work in the UK, in this very case would apply differently. For instance, an applicant from N. America, Australia et cetera would command some respectable standards but would require an unrestricted right to live and work in the UK to be considered for the programme. For this and more, I wouldn't agree with your account.
Thank you for substantiating this doubt and by no means would I cross that line into making allegations. We all know that the whole selection process is not compurised and believe it or not, by human nature, preferances will always take priority to suit the business model. It's always going to be those "specific requirements" that are never clarified that BA uses to shift applicants.
I appreciate you both for this
darkroomsource; I think there is more to look at separately in your account. Standards and Right to live and work in the UK, in this very case would apply differently. For instance, an applicant from N. America, Australia et cetera would command some respectable standards but would require an unrestricted right to live and work in the UK to be considered for the programme. For this and more, I wouldn't agree with your account.
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I never said that the whole selection process was computerised...I said that every part of the process (both the computer scored and the human scored) is judged against a specific criteria that BA have set down because they know from many years of experience it produces the very specific output they are looking for. The interviews are competency based and are assessing the candidates ability to deliver against a certain set of criteria such as Motivation, Teamwork, Leadership the ability to perform well in stressful environments etc. (I dont think I'm giving away any secrets here) - at no point is it relevant if you come from Tottenham or Timbuktu....sorry to spoil the illusion but its just not a factor.
You come across as someone with the opinion that there is a secret agreement within BA that 'Only EU Citizens' must be allowed in... which is ludicrous. You need only take a flight with BA to see how it specifically recruits 'International Crew' because of the value they add to their global business.
It is also important to distinguish between 'Eligible to Apply' and 'Meeting the Standard'. Dont forget the eligibility criteria also factors in things like security clearances for airside passes etc. as well as the minimum education requirement. (Dont forget some of the eligibility factors are also dictated by the CAA for those who are undertaking Approved Integrated fATPL courses)
BA started the FPP, in addition to its DEP selection, because they have a requirement for pilots in order to meet their business expansion plans. Why would they then reject someone who exceeds their criteria just because of where they come from ??? (providing they are eligible to work in the UK and are proficient in English!) They wouldnt... It would be madness to do so.
How have we 'substantiated this doubt' - when we have both argued against you ? Do you not believe us ?
Flyveryhigh has even told you of a Canadian that is on the FPP - so your argument just doesnt hold water...
Have you ever even applied to the FPP ?
You come across as someone with the opinion that there is a secret agreement within BA that 'Only EU Citizens' must be allowed in... which is ludicrous. You need only take a flight with BA to see how it specifically recruits 'International Crew' because of the value they add to their global business.
It is also important to distinguish between 'Eligible to Apply' and 'Meeting the Standard'. Dont forget the eligibility criteria also factors in things like security clearances for airside passes etc. as well as the minimum education requirement. (Dont forget some of the eligibility factors are also dictated by the CAA for those who are undertaking Approved Integrated fATPL courses)
BA started the FPP, in addition to its DEP selection, because they have a requirement for pilots in order to meet their business expansion plans. Why would they then reject someone who exceeds their criteria just because of where they come from ??? (providing they are eligible to work in the UK and are proficient in English!) They wouldnt... It would be madness to do so.
How have we 'substantiated this doubt' - when we have both argued against you ? Do you not believe us ?
Flyveryhigh has even told you of a Canadian that is on the FPP - so your argument just doesnt hold water...
Have you ever even applied to the FPP ?
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There are guys outwith the EU on the FPP, surely that's reason enough to not continue on with this disagreement?
Anyway, back to the BA FPP. I understand that you have to go through BA's medical process on top of the Class 1 medical requirement. For anyone that has been granted a place on the scheme, can you confirm if their process is more difficult to achieve than the CAA's?
Anyway, back to the BA FPP. I understand that you have to go through BA's medical process on top of the Class 1 medical requirement. For anyone that has been granted a place on the scheme, can you confirm if their process is more difficult to achieve than the CAA's?
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speedbird_cadet;
You have a strong point to support your point of view based on this above, and I agree but do not accept that it applies specifically to what I had initially expressed "doubt" in. What you will not state objectively is about the fraction that would have come on board through such programmes like the FPP. BA will recruit a DEP fron anywhere if you meet the standard, which is a different matter. But I am talking about the substantial investment / opportunity as an FPP! We all know how wonderful BA is with it's multinational crew (that's not new) but what I would task you to, is with reference to the FPP just as FlyVeryHigh- has been objective.
Again, let me be clear, I was expressing a "doubt" which has been over turned via that Canadian example. I think that is not an illusion as anybody would be entittled to a query on this forum and quite frankly a bit of rationale and courtesy reflect some quality.
BA claims that "Anybody of any nationality...." would be eligible to apply knowing so well that "some of the eligibility factors are dictated by the CAA" as you have stated and ofcourse your security clearance et cetera. Now draw your own conclusions from there to see just how hard BA would have to adjust itself to accomodate certain applications even if they would meet the standard.
Tottenham or Timbuktu....sorry to spoil the illusion but its just not a factor.
You come across as someone with the opinion that there is a secret agreement within BA that 'Only EU Citizens' must be allowed in... which is ludicrous. You need only take a flight with BA to see how it specifically recruits 'International Crew' because of the value they add to their global business.
You come across as someone with the opinion that there is a secret agreement within BA that 'Only EU Citizens' must be allowed in... which is ludicrous. You need only take a flight with BA to see how it specifically recruits 'International Crew' because of the value they add to their global business.
Again, let me be clear, I was expressing a "doubt" which has been over turned via that Canadian example. I think that is not an illusion as anybody would be entittled to a query on this forum and quite frankly a bit of rationale and courtesy reflect some quality.
It is also important to distinguish between 'Eligible to Apply' and 'Meeting the Standard'. Dont forget the eligibility criteria also factors in things like security clearances for airside passes etc. as well as the minimum education requirement. (Dont forget some of the eligibility factors are also dictated by the CAA for those who are undertaking Approved Integrated fATPL courses)
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My friend contacted BA pilot recruitment not too long ago and received this automated message:
""Please visit the website bafuturepilot.com for full details of the programme and the latest information regarding the required qualifications. The scheme is expected to reopen toward the middle of 2016. "
So May/June reopening?
""Please visit the website bafuturepilot.com for full details of the programme and the latest information regarding the required qualifications. The scheme is expected to reopen toward the middle of 2016. "
So May/June reopening?
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BA Medical Process
The BA company medical comes after you've been selected and is carried out at Waterside by the in-house medical centre. It's certainly no worse than a CAA Class 1 renewal and consists of the usual urine sample, eyesight, height, weight, blood test (a small prick on a finger for a drop of blood), and an interview with the Doc. All very informal and relaxed, it's basically just to give you some information about how your upcoming career will affect your health and how best to deal with it.
Still no word on the reopening dates internally other than middle of the year, as with all things BA the planned timetable is liable to change several times before lunchtime!
Still no word on the reopening dates internally other than middle of the year, as with all things BA the planned timetable is liable to change several times before lunchtime!
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Kirungi - I've drawn my conclusion thanks and its this... "If you are eligible to apply, and meet the standard, then you're in." Put simply. BA would not look for a reason to reject someone who met their criteria just because they arent from the EU. This has been proven to be the case as ably illustrated by the flyveryhigh. Nationality is not a factor as much as you seem convinced that it is.
Can we leave it there now please ?
Can we leave it there now please ?
