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I imagine BA will have it correct as I hate to break it to you but the IB isn't the hard qualification you seem to believe it is, many graduate employers outside aviation for example also have similar requirements for those who took the IB.
Spike,
A lot of universities regard the UCAS tariff for IBs as too high. Here are some examples:-
BEng Aeronautical Engineering (City University)
A-level requirements - 340 UCAS points
IB 30 (which is 392 UCAS points - IB at 28 is 348).
BEng Aerospace Engineering (Liverpool)
A-level requirment - 320 points
IB 33 (457 points - IB at 27 is 320)
BEng Aeronautical Engineering (Loughborough)
A-level requirment - 340-360 points
IB 34 (479 points - IB at 28 is 348)
Sorry.
A lot of universities regard the UCAS tariff for IBs as too high. Here are some examples:-
BEng Aeronautical Engineering (City University)
A-level requirements - 340 UCAS points
IB 30 (which is 392 UCAS points - IB at 28 is 348).
BEng Aerospace Engineering (Liverpool)
A-level requirment - 320 points
IB 33 (457 points - IB at 27 is 320)
BEng Aeronautical Engineering (Loughborough)
A-level requirment - 340-360 points
IB 34 (479 points - IB at 28 is 348)
Sorry.
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Without wishing to re-tread over ground covered with regards academic qualifications, they are what they are and that's it. If you meet them, apply. If you don't, then go away and work so that you do next year. This will also demonstrate a good example to BA as to how much you want it, if you are fortunate to get through to the interview stage.
As we all know, this application process numbers in the thousands of applications, so BA are not exactly short of the type of person they are after.
That may sound a little harsh, but we can debate at length whether the requirements are fair (or even relevant!) but they are what they are so a hoop that must be jumped through!
As we all know, this application process numbers in the thousands of applications, so BA are not exactly short of the type of person they are after.
That may sound a little harsh, but we can debate at length whether the requirements are fair (or even relevant!) but they are what they are so a hoop that must be jumped through!
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I agree Libertine. However, I do feel particularly sorry for spike's situation. It seems an entirely logical approach to complete a course considered (by UCAS) to be equal to or greater than the minimum requirements for the BA FPP, in order that one could then gain entry to the programme. It is of no fault of his own (in my opinion) that UCAS, BA, and universities are inconsistent with each other when deciding whether one qualification is equivalent to another or not.
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I believe some people who failed on their first attempt were successful on their second attempt. Therefore I would imagine it's still alright to apply on your second (or even third?) attempt. I presume if it wasn't allowed then BA would have written that on the website to prevent those extra applications needing to be looked at, if nothing else.
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I know for a fact BA don't care if you've applied and failed before.
As long as you have developed in the time in between that's all they care about.
So certainly apply.
As long as you have developed in the time in between that's all they care about.
So certainly apply.
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You can definitely apply if you've applied in the past., I can testify to that as I failed first time round and succeeded second time round. As irishoperator states, just make sure you've developed since last time and be able to show it throughout the whole application process.
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After attending the BA seminar down at Flyer today, I feel like I should add something that you should all consider. You can only apply 3 TIMES, so if you failed the assessment last year and the year before, you only have one more chance. Also they plan to do it again for 2 or 3 more years, although that depends on their needs each summer. This info came from Lindsay Craig.
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I found the guy answering questions on ctc's facebook page interesting. In particular the waiting time of up to 6 months to start actual work and the £25,000 starting salary. But i suppose it's the best of an awful lot of "sponsorships".
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momo95,
If you read the website you'll find the starting salary to be £22k+flight pay of around 12k, which is favourably taxed. The base salary increases every year for the first 6 years by roughly 5k to join the DEP pay scale. However, where you're most likely missing the point, is that the 84k for training is repaid by BA on top of all this.
It'd be useful to know the facts prior to commenting in a public place.
If you read the website you'll find the starting salary to be £22k+flight pay of around 12k, which is favourably taxed. The base salary increases every year for the first 6 years by roughly 5k to join the DEP pay scale. However, where you're most likely missing the point, is that the 84k for training is repaid by BA on top of all this.
It'd be useful to know the facts prior to commenting in a public place.
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"You can only apply 3 TIMES, so if you failed the assessment last year and the year before, you only have one more chance. Also they plan to do it again for 2 or 3 more years, although that depends on their needs each summer. This info came from Lindsay Craig."
Hi EZY,
Do you have any written evidence of this? (eg. website/URL)
Would it then count as 2 attempts if for example you failed at stage 1 the first year and failed at stage 3 the second year?
Cheers,
Chris.
Hi EZY,
Do you have any written evidence of this? (eg. website/URL)
Would it then count as 2 attempts if for example you failed at stage 1 the first year and failed at stage 3 the second year?
Cheers,
Chris.
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Hi everyone,
I am aware that the minimum age for holding ATPL is 21 yrs. If one applied for the scheme at 18, would this pose any disadvantage due to the 3 year wait?
I am aware that the minimum age for holding ATPL is 21 yrs. If one applied for the scheme at 18, would this pose any disadvantage due to the 3 year wait?
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The £84k over the first 7 years of employment cannot be underestimated. It's akin to a £12k tax free increase onto your annual salary. In other words, to have the same disposable income in real terms working for another airline (assuming you had the debt of an integrated course to service - which most do), you'd have to be earning considerably more. Such an amount is not realistically ever going to be achieved at such a junior level in any airline. And that's all excluding the extra flight allowances, which are realistically going to be better at BA than anywhere else. From a financial point of view (and very probably otherwise too), the BA FPP cadets are jumping a decade up the ladder over their similarly qualified peers at other airlines. Even then, those other guys are some of the lucky ones - having managed to actually find an airline job at all.
But even irrespective of the above, one of the most crucial elements to the BA FPP is not necessarily that it pays better. If pay was the only driving force for the successful ones then they are going into the wrong profession in my opinion. The most critical element of the BA FPP is that it enables an aspiring pilot the opportunity to train at all, with as close to a guaranteed job at the end of it you're ever likely to get in today's aviation industry. I read about one young lady who made the cut (via OAA if my memory serves me correctly), who would have otherwise started an integrated course the previous year had she been able to secure the loan - which she couldn't. So for an applicant like her, the BA FPP appears like it was the only feasible route into the industry short of a lottery win.
It's not hard to see why most people who know anything about anything on this forum can recognise this to be an opportunity of a lifetime. And BA should be applauded for making it about the quality of the applicant rather than the size of their wallet.
But even irrespective of the above, one of the most crucial elements to the BA FPP is not necessarily that it pays better. If pay was the only driving force for the successful ones then they are going into the wrong profession in my opinion. The most critical element of the BA FPP is that it enables an aspiring pilot the opportunity to train at all, with as close to a guaranteed job at the end of it you're ever likely to get in today's aviation industry. I read about one young lady who made the cut (via OAA if my memory serves me correctly), who would have otherwise started an integrated course the previous year had she been able to secure the loan - which she couldn't. So for an applicant like her, the BA FPP appears like it was the only feasible route into the industry short of a lottery win.
It's not hard to see why most people who know anything about anything on this forum can recognise this to be an opportunity of a lifetime. And BA should be applauded for making it about the quality of the applicant rather than the size of their wallet.