British Airways Future Pilot Programme.

[MaydayMaydayMayday]

BBrus,

I started on the 26th November, submitted on the 2nd December (was working away from home all week). Heard back about 3pm on the 13th.

Hope they get back to you soon.

[SHolberg]

Well, that didn't turn out to well.
Negative reply from OAA yesterday. I find it somewhat hard to understand being rejected this early, as i hold the Norwegian equivalent of AAB, hold a PPL-A(60 hours) and was very satisfied with my answers in the application.

Well well, maybe its because i'm a Norwegian...

[fido7]

@ paxi_rs

nope.. i guess theyr nt taking pple from outside uk.. i had my application rejected a week back.. i stay in Dubai btw..dey ddn giv any reason though.. but it was bad for me i missed out on an amazing opportunity.. btw im a design engineer, having just completed my mechanical engg 6 mnths bak.. so i thought smwhere i cud b given sum preference.. but nt to be.. looking fr other cadet programs though.

[flying_god]

Latest date at Oxford

Hi,
Anyone know what the last date for 1st day assessment at Oxford is?

Reason being is that they said we would have to wait until they were all done before we got notified for the 2nd day..

Thanks.

[Orangaphobia]

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[Paxi_R6]

Well UK nationals get priority BA won't really want to take any EU nationals unless the candiaties from the UK don't do well in the assessments and they need to look outside the UK , highly doubt that will happen . taking people like me from Ireland they would worry after a few years plus a type rating like the a320 I would go back home and get a job with Aer lingus hence EUs fecking off home after awhile which is not true for me anyway . My application was sent in on the 3rd of December and I have not heard a word be patient but don't get your hopes up

[SHolberg]

Paxi_R6

Yeah, i somewhat understood that before sending my application, but i have to say that if they don't even intend to asses any foreigners; then why even bother to make it a opportunity for them to apply?

Does anybody know if a non-UK citizen has been taken into the program?

[Shawrey]

flying_god

We were informed that we will be told during the first week of January, if we get the 2nd date or not

fido7 and Paxi_R6

Rubbish. We had three gentlemen from Dubai, Germany and France on our Day 1. Don't lose hope until you get that email.

[SgtBellPepper]

Been accepted past the application stage and am now gearing up for stage 1 (assessment) at Oxford.

Good luck to all those awaiting any news.

Quick question regarding financing from anyone who knows : as someone who doesn't own any property, I would be applying for finance via the BA guarantor scheme (assuming I am one of the chosen few of course!) and realise that credit checks will be done.

I don't have a bad credit rating (I have no defaults, no CCJ's) and all my existing accounts are in good standing.

So how good is good in this respect? What are they looking for?

Thanks and again good luck.

[saqademus]

Not too bad!

Does anybody know the pass mark for the OAA technical/physics test? And how its incorporated into the final marking?

ie. if you pass the compass test with flying colours but then dont do so well in the physics test, would you still go through?

[naturals]

Does anybody know the pass mark for the OAA technical/physics test? And how its incorporated into the final marking?

ie. if you pass the compass test with flying colours but then dont do so well in the physics test, would you still go through?

I too am curious as to how this works. On my selection day they said the benchmark would be set once all people had taken the test and that they were looking to bring around 400 back for the next selection day (OAA said this, though not sure if they're bringing 400 in or all the FTOs are bringing that in total). I presume the look at your mark and the marks in each individual round (i.e. you wouldn't want a maths genius in the cockpit with the hand eye coordination of a snake).

There's a thread on the OAA forum about pass marks, though OAA told us the mark would depend on the overall calibre of participants. I suspect the requirement will be far far higher than a usual intake due to the demand for the scheme.

Thread is here if you're interested.

[BBrus]

Originally Posted by Paxi_R6

Well UK nationals get priority BA won't really want to take any EU nationals unless the candiaties from the UK don't do well in the assessments and they need to look outside the UK , highly doubt that will happen . taking people like me from Ireland they would worry after a few years plus a type rating like the a320 I would go back home and get a job with Aer lingus hence EUs fecking off home after awhile which is not true for me anyway . My application was sent in on the 3rd of December and I have not heard a word be patient but don't get your hopes up

What is your basis to make this statement?

If I were to be accepted by British Airways, I can assure the last thing I would think about is to get my flight training and TR sponsored by BA and go back to Spain. Actually, I doubt anyone would give up a career in British Airways to start from scratch in another airline in their country of origin.

You would be signing a contract which will contain a clause of permanence.

[BerksFlyer]

Originally Posted by Paxi_R6

Well UK nationals get priority BA won't really want to take any EU nationals unless the candiaties from the UK don't do well in the assessments and they need to look outside the UK , highly doubt that will happen . taking people like me from Ireland they would worry after a few years plus a type rating like the a320 I would go back home and get a job with Aer lingus hence EUs fecking off home after awhile which is not true for me anyway . My application was sent in on the 3rd of December and I have not heard a word be patient but don't get your hopes up

You're wrong. I don't know on what basis you can make this comment? Completely unfounded.

Regarding your lack of hearing back. If you are 17, then unless Ireland runs a year ahead of the UK in education, or you took your A-Level equivalents a year early, you don't actually qualify. As clearly stated on the website, A-level grades need to be in-hand.

[Libertine Winno]

@naturals

The format for working out aptitude testing scores etc is a closely guarded secret! If you read any forums regarding the FAT's at Cranwell they are exactly the same, and the short answer is that nobody apart from the recruiters actually know.

It is indeed true, however, that there is a 'pass' mark...but in reality this is a competition (as are the FAT's at Cranwell) and as such merely passing is not good enough, you need to pass good enough to be in the top x% of candidates.

As stated, though, what percentage the x actually is depends on all the other candidates, so will not be know until all candidates have taken the tests.

Not much help I know, but in essence it's a futile exercise worrying about it or trying to guess, just do your best and wait!

[Paxi_R6]

Well I thought it would be UK nationals given priority due to the the loans would be easier to get compared to someone who lives outside the UK and that fact pilots have in the past that were taken on left after a few years (Was told by a pilot) so they try prevent from past mistakes . On the contract side of things there's ways out of everything ! ......

I do infact qualify I sat my Leaving cert the summer just gone , got my letter of certification saying I have 3 A-Levels it also states I have to be 18 before July 2013 , I am I'm 18 in march

I'll wait and see like everyone else best of luck to the people who has an assessment !

[Bearcat F8F]

Hi guys,

I am attending Phase 2 assessment day at FTE soon. I am aware that upon completion of Phase 2, there is a Phase 3 which consists of a 2-day assessment.

Does anyone know how FTE splits these phases and days up? What are they assessing on day 1, then days 2 and 3?

I am aware of all the material that will be covered during the entire assessment as I'm pretty sure all of us get the same info from BA. I searched through FTE's website but this yielded no clear explanation of what will be assessed at Phase 2.

If no one has info on this, I will give them a ring.

Thanks in advance.

[Ollybolly]

Well I thought it would be UK nationals given priority due to the the loans would be easier to get compared to someone who lives outside the UK and that fact pilots have in the past that were taken on left after a few years (Was told by a pilot) so they try prevent from past mistakes . On the contract side of things there's ways out of everything ! ......

Facts are better than supposition.

I know for a FACT that non UK nationals were included at all stages of last year's FPP programme.

Maybe there's another reason that people don't get through to stage 2....

[Rne]

I've just finished OAA stage 1 and thought I'd share the following:

They said that every online application was given a mark/score based on how good it was. At the moment 30% of applicants have been invited to stage 1 (or have completed it).

There will be an email between 4-6 Jan inviting successful candidates to the next stage.

Last year OAA got 44% of BA's future pilots, and they believe the reason is because of 'head of OAA recruitment lady' - who previously worked for BA. Apparently she knows exactly what BA are looking for and will invite everyone that has potential back for the next stage. (she said "if there are 400 good candidates, then I will see them all", so it doesn't seem like they have a certain number of seats to fill for stage 2)

In response to comments about BA favouring UK nationals: I counted 13 people present at the assessment and about a third of them were from outside the UK.

[ETflyer]

Bearcat,

I am slightly confused at to what to expect from stage one assessment. There seems to be contradicting information from the email and what appears on the website.

The email says:

Invitation to Stage 1 Assessment which consists of

"4 x written tests:
- Numeracy
- Numerical Reasoning
- Verbal Reasoning
- Combined Maths/Physics

*Pilot Aptitude testing
*Group exercise"

I do not really understand why there are stars next to Pilot Aptitude Testing and Group exercise.

The website says:

"Once your application has been assessed and accepted, you will progress to Phase II of the selection process. Phase II consists of a series of questions that you will be required to answer within a given time. If successful you will progress to Phase III which is a two-day assessment at a venue (soon to be confirmed) in the UK, which includes the following tests:

• Mathematics
• Physics
• Numerical Reasoning
• Verbal Reasoning
• Pilapt
  • Hand-Eye co-ordination
    • Two dimensional tracking
    • Three dimensional tracking
  • Cognitive tests
    • Information processing
    • Selective attention

Candidates who are successful at this stage will progress on to the next two assessments:

• Group Exercise
• Competency based interview"

What does the "series of questions" refer to? I have received no information with regards to this and it appears this phase does not exist and everybody is directed straight onto phase 3?

If anybody who applied last year could shed some light on this confusion please that would be great.

[flying_god]

Some interesting facts stated about Oxford Selection.

I thought there was about 16 on my compass test, 3 groups a day, minimum of 10 days = 480 people. I suspect there is much more than that though if they really want 400 back for 2nd stage.

If you trawl through last years thread on the FPP, someone in the know stated that the pass mark last year was 34. (http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...merged-36.html)

Outside of the FPP, Oxford state that only 50% of people get above 28 to pass. So I would guess it would be about 34 again. - Not that we know because they don't tell us the score. £ 250 for not much!