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Old 21st Mar 2015, 00:05
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Indeed it looks like a lottery. It's incredible, though, how much it helps to know that someone else shares your unlucky fate.
I actually revised my preliminary questions and they sounded perfect, again this opinion may change if they got timed.
I did the "mistake" of making a pdf cover letter and just paste it in the form when I realised it was supposed to be written there. I don't know why but it sounded just lame written there. On top of that, I really had nothing to answer to "what have you done so far etc. etc.". The only thing I could afford doing was reading books, included pretty hard ones, but I feared it could sound both pretentious and silly to write that. So I wrote nothing, and that was probably even worse.
Well, this summer I promised myself I'll try and get a PPL. In the worst case I'll have something to write on my next cover letter if there will be one.
Thanks to all of you on this forum!
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 08:56
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Funky111

...Did you apply to a different school this time?
You raise an interesting point here. Why/how?
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 09:25
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Does anyone know the percentage that got through the first round?
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 09:37
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Sorry to hear about the various knock backs..

Cmab7

Overall, I thought my application was stronger this time around, in both the cover letter and the 'personality questions',
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I'm sure you did..Have you/did you run your paperwork past a third party to get their opinion?
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 09:59
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Funkyt, wiggy,

No, I applied to the same school this year. My impressions of them last time around cemented my choice of choosing them this time.

Of course, it was checked, and double checked on more than one occasion.

There must have been a reason, which I'll find, and come back stronger next year.
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 10:04
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Funky111

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...Did you apply to a different school this time?
You raise an interesting point here. Why/how?
There has been some suggestion in previous windows that you may stand a better chance of success in reaching the application phase depending on which school you apply to. Oxford receive the most applications followed closely by CTC with FTE receiving the least. If each school has X amount of candidates that they can invite to the initial assessment then maybe the previous suggestions could be right?
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 12:35
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Funky and Cmab: My essay questions were very similar to last year with the addition of what I had done since my last application (which was a considerable amount). The personality questions were also answered very similarly, if not the same as last year.

My cover letter was checked numerous times by various people and I applied to the same school as last year.

It would be interesting to know if there is anyone else in the same boat that made it through the first year, fell at the first hurdle in their second application and made it through again in the third year?
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 12:53
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Perhaps it was a stroke of bad luck this year that it was different people reviewing the applications?
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 13:00
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I agree with Landingconfig, you must just be unlucky. I applied in 2012 and in 2013 and made it to the final stages on both occasions. My biggest worry this year was not being invited to the initial assessment especially since this is the last application I can make so I understand exactly how you guys must feel.
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 13:11
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polar25 & Cmab7; I sympathyse with your plight but Funky111 argues and correlates well via post #2816. Did any of you apply through Oxford or CTC?
Funky111, were all your previous attempts made through FTE?
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 13:41
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My understanding of what BA and the schools have always said is that the school you apply to is irrelevant when it comes to getting past the first hurdles, with it not being a case of FTE get X amount, CTC get Y and OAA getting Z amount. Rather the amount of people getting through to each FTO's assessments is solely based on the quality of applications to a particular school.
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 14:09
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@kirungi1

Yeah all my previous attempts with were with FTE.
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 14:36
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Officer Kite; I would doubt the aspect of "quality of the application" alone , bearing the plights of polar25 and Cmab7. Surely, Funky111 could have a point worth exploring.
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 14:44
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That is true Kirungi, but I suspect that could come down to whoever the individual in BA or the FTO was who saw it, but overall the aim isn't to send a set amount to each FTO. Rather only the "perceived" best out of all applicants are put forward.
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 15:42
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Lets say for example OAA receive 1500 applications and CTC receive 1000 applications and FTE receive 750 Applications. Although BA say that each school considers each application purely on it's quality, realistically if all of Oxford's applications were fantastic they couldn't invite all 1500. So in reality, you have a better chance with FTE than with any of the other two schools. Also, I know for sure that each school can only send X amount of candidates through to the final stage so therefore your competing against less candidates with FTE. I wouldn't encourage people to try and play the system though and choose a school based on what you think is right for you.
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 15:45
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Funky111 & Officer Kite; thank you and good luck this year and always
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 15:53
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I agree that playing the system is not a good way to approach this. I can only go on what the schools have told me directly, and CTC in particular made a point of highlighting to me that the school I applied to would be irrelevant as BA want the best out of all who apply, not the best out of each individual school. I don't think we're ever gonna find a definitive answer to this so it's probably best to focus on others things. Good luck to all !
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 16:00
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Absolutely Officer Kite, but I think Funky111 highlights the fact that some potentially good candidates don't stand a chance at the "other two" because numbers have to be crunched! Your final reaction
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 16:08
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I think I'm being misunderstood. I agree with funky and it would seem logical that if most applied to OAA for example, there would have to be a serious cull of applications meaning you would stand less chance. That is logical in that sense, however when I look at the wider picture and the fact that BA are out to get the best, it doesn't make sense for them to go about the selection in this manner as they would potentially cut out some very good applicants with applicants of slightly lesser quality making it through in a different FTO simply because there were less numbers at their chosen FTO. BA say that isn't how they go about it and CTC have also told me it isn't what they do so I really don't know what the truth is as there are only so many days for which OAA can run selection meaning some good quality will be cut out.

All in all, I don't think BA would settle for lesser quality and those who make it through at Waterside would not have done so based on luck and the numbers that applied to their particular school.

Now I think it's best this argument was put to bed, it pops up every year
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Old 21st Mar 2015, 16:15
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Officer Kite,

I understand what your saying but stats don't lie. It's no surprise that at the final stage, only a very small amount of candidates from FTE are successful. I think it was 6/7 last year out 48 successful candidates.
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