Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Wannabes Forums > Interviews, jobs & sponsorship
Reload this Page >

British Airways Future Pilot Programme.

Interviews, jobs & sponsorship The forum where interviews, job offers and selection criteria can be discussed and exchanged.

British Airways Future Pilot Programme.

Old 3rd Apr 2014, 03:21
  #2041 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 285
As far as I am aware the CTC guys are signing the exact same FPP contracts as those on the FPP from the beginning. The only difference is that they had a lot smaller bond to start with than that FPP guys did, which is why they have to pay some up front now (if they pass interview/selelction - it's not just a free ticket in!). If any pass then they will be on the same pay scheme as the original FPP cadets.
planedrive is offline  
Old 3rd Apr 2014, 07:04
  #2042 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: EGLL
Posts: 47
I just checked and the CTC Wings Course cost is almost exactly the same as the Future Pilot Cost (89k). However those selected from the start as a Future Pilot get their type rating cost included.

So the guys that started on the CTC Wings course will start at BA with 20k more debt, by paying for their type rating. Maybe I have missed something..

BA has some very aggressive profit targets to meet, so maybe taking cheaper cadets and making them pay for their type rating will help them meet these targets.
LastPastthePost is offline  
Old 3rd Apr 2014, 08:36
  #2043 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 394
...so maybe taking cheaper cadets and making them pay for their type rating will help them meet these targets.
Even if every new recruit was required to pay 20k for their TR, the realistic saving for BA over the next few years would likely be less than 10 million, and certainly not more than 15 million. While it's true that every little helps, this really is a drop in the ocean compared with BA's profit targets.

And clearly BA greatly values investing in excellent pilot recruits. If they wanted to make huge savings on recruitment then they wouldn't have one of the best cadet recruitment programmes in the world.
G-F0RC3 is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2014, 16:30
  #2044 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 29
Security bond on CTC Wings is 69000 (Finance and Pilot Training costs | CTC Wings)

Those selected from CTC to enter BA will need to top up their bond to the 84000 which all other FPP cadets paid. So who would argue with paying c25000 but getting their 84000 bond repaid back over 7 years? Oh...and a job with BA. It's not a case of paying for the JOC and TR, its just a case of bringing the financing in line with the FPP contract from what I understand. Seems like a cracking deal to me.

Pay the same to fly orange and get initially 1200pm and no contract or fly BA for over 4000pm before loan repayments. Let me think about that...
Roger10-4 is offline  
Old 4th Apr 2014, 18:38
  #2045 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: The outer reaches
Posts: 36
I do love how CTC call the cost of a course a bond. Great marketing and still nailing it. Well done them.
Stage5 is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2014, 09:53
  #2046 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: EGLL
Posts: 47
I'm quite relaxed about it actually. Don't forget that Lindsay said that it might be they are not ready on the 11th (but will send an email with a new timetable), so your refreshing will continue for longer..

I know the day didn't go perfectly, so I know what I have to work on for my next sponsored cadet application process. Having seen the finances in depth, I think another year of savings wouldn't be a bad thing.

If I don't make the cut, the hardest thing about tomorrow will be deciding whether to apply to the Easyjet MPL or not. Which boils down to whether my ambitions are to be a long haul Captain based in London or a short haul Captain based in London or elsewhere. My gut instinct is that you could have a better quality of life in the regions. (sure you could commute with BA, but that would impact on the quality of life)

Good luck guys and girls..
LastPastthePost is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2014, 12:02
  #2047 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Manchester
Age: 35
Posts: 1
I wouldnt touch the Easyjet MPL with a barge pole. Nothing like the FPP, no real guaranteed job and an MPL which leaves you at the mercy of Easyjet and there Parc Aviation farce.
adam84 is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2014, 12:29
  #2048 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: The Winchester
Posts: 5,355
sure you could commute with BA, but that would impact on the quality of life
FWIW whilst commuting would be tricky in the early days there are certainly plenty of BA shorthaulers ( left and right seat) who successfully combine commuting with a good quality of life...
wiggy is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2014, 16:10
  #2049 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: North England
Posts: 29
When I looked into starting salaries (about a year ago), the highest paying of the bunch were Thompson, at around 35k. 35k FYI after tax is less than 2200 take home.

I would be _very_ surprised if the BA FPP salary was anywhere near 4kpm as quoted by the person on the previous page. This sounds like fantasy to me, even if it were before tax, you're talking 48k starting salary. But eager to be proven wrong!
McWho is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2014, 16:19
  #2050 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Manchester
Age: 32
Posts: 222
The starting salary for BA cadets is approx 22k + flying allowances equating to approximately 8-10k per year. BA also pay an additional 12k per year tax free for a 7 year periods to repay the bond back to the cadets.
funkyt111 is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2014, 16:20
  #2051 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Manchester
Age: 37
Posts: 120
Might I recommend reading through this - likely to remain much the same for future years but not, of course, guaranteed:

Future Pilot Programme - Future Pilot ? Other Information and FAQs

Most specifically:

The year 1 basic salary for a Future Pilot Programme first officer is 23,220, with a further 8-10,000 of flying allowances typically being earned in a full year of flying (please note that these allowances are not guaranteed and are subject to levels and type of flying completed). Remember that as well as pay and allowances, British Airways will pay you back your security bond, tax–free, at the rate of 12,000 per year for the first seven years of your employment as a pilot.


It is worth bearing in mind that for some applicants this represents a substantial pay cut. This does not make them any less keen; competitive process this!

Edit: What my fellow Mancunian said!
JDA2012 is offline  
Old 10th Apr 2014, 17:28
  #2052 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: The outer reaches
Posts: 36
Given the shortage of P32Ls (320 F/Os) right now, you may find yourself working rather hard to start with. That said things can and do change.
Stage5 is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2014, 08:06
  #2053 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Manchester
Age: 37
Posts: 120
The best of luck to all, congratulations to anyone receiving the good news, and hope to see the rest of you next year.
JDA2012 is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2014, 09:05
  #2054 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: England
Posts: 47
Well said that man! Best of luck to everyone waiting to hear back today!
naturals is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2014, 13:08
  #2055 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: EGLL
Posts: 47
As expected, didn't make the cut.

Congrats to those that did...

Now for the tough MPL decision..
LastPastthePost is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2014, 13:13
  #2056 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: London
Posts: 23
Same here, i expected this. At least there is the opportunity for feedback, Well done to those who made it through.
Cessnaflyer87 is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2014, 13:15
  #2057 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Surrey, England
Posts: 234
LastPastthePost.

commiserations and good luck with your future application(s). I've been following your posts and I quite like them to be honest. Deep inside, I think you're of substance. Hard luck!
kirungi1 is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2014, 13:34
  #2058 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 394
It's good news for me. Delighted!

Commiserations to those who didn't make it.
G-F0RC3 is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2014, 13:37
  #2059 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: EGLL
Posts: 47
Congrats G-FORC, I can see from your attitude on here that you deserved a place.

Thanks kirungi1.

Interestingly the reject letter invited you to reapply and didn't caveat it with the 3 year limitation. I'm not near that yet, but maybe if you get through the final round they give you an extra year?

Is it Champagne that gets better with age? Mine might have gone off by the time I get a job as a pilot!
LastPastthePost is offline  
Old 11th Apr 2014, 13:40
  #2060 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Surrey, England
Posts: 234
G-FORC3

Congratulations and well done! Thanks for sharing with us great insights over the time and hoping for more.
Go and fly
kirungi1 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.