Late 2012/2013 Pilot sponsorship schemes
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Late 2012/2013 Pilot sponsorship schemes
Just thought I would ask the masses.
As the Flybe/PTC sponsorship has now closed has anyone heard anything on the grape vine of possible late 2012 or 2013 airline sponsorship opportunities from other operators?
As the Flybe/PTC sponsorship has now closed has anyone heard anything on the grape vine of possible late 2012 or 2013 airline sponsorship opportunities from other operators?
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Flybe/CTC opens in just over a week. That's the only dead cert then you could just assume that EZY MPL at Oxford will open again, Flybe at FTE/OAA/PTC will open again as that seems to be mainly how they source their cadet entry and then of course BA FPP at some point in the next 12months hopefully. Interesting to see what happens to the CTC Monarch wings scheme.
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hold your horses; I think you will find quite a few sponsor schemes will open up in the next few months and into autumn.
The pilot shortage is starting to bite hard now.
Opportunities are starting to flow quickly now.
The pilot shortage is starting to bite hard now.
Opportunities are starting to flow quickly now.
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Is the Flybe/CTC for definite opening soon? If so, is it likely to be similar conditions (particularly cost-wise) to the just-closed FTE/OAA/PTC offer, or would I be better off waiting until (hopefully) that scheme comes around again?
Thanks in advance.
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Hey guys
For FlyBe program could you please confirm that for a non-EU country citizen application is not possible?..
I mean do they sponsor the part of "right to work in UK" also or not?..
Thank you
For FlyBe program could you please confirm that for a non-EU country citizen application is not possible?..
I mean do they sponsor the part of "right to work in UK" also or not?..
Thank you
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With applications for the FlyBe programme closing on the 14th of May does anyone have any idea of a rough time frame as to when the next stage of this competition will take place?
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How does it work with an ICAO license? Would you have to convert to JAR before applying for a program like this? (Any similar company in EU)
Is there any way to fly in EU with a reputable company without going through the lengthy and pricy conversion?
Is there any way to fly in EU with a reputable company without going through the lengthy and pricy conversion?
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Short answer, no. Under the old system (UK CAA and others) you could get a dispensation to fly for a year but you still had to do the exams to continue flying. Occasionally, an airline will take another airline's crew for a fixed term (eg easyJet took some Qantas B737 FOs for a year or so) but in the main, there's no other way other than doing the conversion.
There are some N reg bizjets running around but I believe soon they'll have to have EASA licences. There's some stuff about that in the GA forum. I'm not sure of the details as I have an EASA/JAA licence so it doesn't affect me.
Short answer, no. Under the old system (UK CAA and others) you could get a dispensation to fly for a year but you still had to do the exams to continue flying. Occasionally, an airline will take another airline's crew for a fixed term (eg easyJet took some Qantas B737 FOs for a year or so) but in the main, there's no other way other than doing the conversion.
There are some N reg bizjets running around but I believe soon they'll have to have EASA licences. There's some stuff about that in the GA forum. I'm not sure of the details as I have an EASA/JAA licence so it doesn't affect me.
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Joe86, look out for CityJet too, they tend to run a mentored scheme down at FTE most years. TCX may run theirs again soon.
I would strongly advocate holding out until you get onto a mentored scheme, even if it takes longer than 1 or 2 years to get on one. Only the very brave, wealthy (or financially foolish?) would take a £100k gamble on an integrated course. There is a chance you will not get a job at the far end. With mentored schemes this risk is substantially reduced and often the cost of training is lower than if you were to pay for an integrated course and type-rating. In the mean time you can be saving as much cash as possible to reduce any loan you might need to take. It took me many years of building my CV and building up financial resources to be able to get on such a scheme - so be warned you may need to be patient!
I would strongly advocate holding out until you get onto a mentored scheme, even if it takes longer than 1 or 2 years to get on one. Only the very brave, wealthy (or financially foolish?) would take a £100k gamble on an integrated course. There is a chance you will not get a job at the far end. With mentored schemes this risk is substantially reduced and often the cost of training is lower than if you were to pay for an integrated course and type-rating. In the mean time you can be saving as much cash as possible to reduce any loan you might need to take. It took me many years of building my CV and building up financial resources to be able to get on such a scheme - so be warned you may need to be patient!
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Wasn't aware of that about CityJet. Shows that you really do have to do your research into the airline mentoring the scheme. Looks like BA and easyJet are the better of the schemes currently in existence. Be careful with Flybe and build yourself a spreadsheet to work out the finances. I ran the numbers on one of their schemes and figured I wouldn't be able to afford to eat with loan repayments, let alone ever make a return on the capital outlay!
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Yeah you are right Willy, I have been saving for over 2 years now looking at August 2013 to have the money in place if I was to go it alone for PTC/CTC etc...
I currently work for Airbus as a in-service repair engineer so I've got my little toe into the world of aviation knowledge which hopefully will give me a heads up for interviews and assessments.
So yeah not in a hurry at the moment, also being a Somerset boy Flybe would be nice, wish eastern airways did a similar scheme.
I currently work for Airbus as a in-service repair engineer so I've got my little toe into the world of aviation knowledge which hopefully will give me a heads up for interviews and assessments
.So yeah not in a hurry at the moment, also being a Somerset boy Flybe would be nice, wish eastern airways did a similar scheme
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Cityjet are indeed making redundancies at the moment and TCX appear to be happy to take experienced type rated people in the interim. Even then, I'd be hesitant to spend money on a TCX tagged scheme considering the precarious situation they are in at the moment. Same with Thomson.
City Flyer: now now, I don't think we can safely speculate anything, and I don't think it's fair that you rubbish my news from an official in the aviation industry and then make your own prediction in the same post
All I'm saying is that people are asking this question on a regular basis and I was quite happy to at least hear this news myself so thought I would pass it on as it's probably the best people are going to get. I would assume it's much easier for airlines to say that something is not going to happen rather than is.
City Flyer: now now, I don't think we can safely speculate anything, and I don't think it's fair that you rubbish my news from an official in the aviation industry and then make your own prediction in the same post
All I'm saying is that people are asking this question on a regular basis and I was quite happy to at least hear this news myself so thought I would pass it on as it's probably the best people are going to get. I would assume it's much easier for airlines to say that something is not going to happen rather than is.
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Chief Willy, you seem to suggest flybe pilot's live on crew food scraps and in cardboard shelters or in their cars? Whilst any first job post ab-initio trg is tight in terms of cash, I don't recall being penniless. I was always able to rent decent accommodation that never broke the bank, had its own private secure car park etc, with no help from the parents.
In terms of repayments, I started on £23000 and today's new FO starts on £28000. For part sponsored (those with the BE loan) there is an optional 2 year payment holiday to ease the out goings whilst getting settled in life. A 5 year bond adds to security ( the board wants the money back in terms of their pound of flesh by working you). With an ever increasing jet fleet, the time spent on the splash is getting shorter, currently 4 years on average and reducing. Time to command? Well for those who joined as the doors closed in 2008, several are now either going through command courses, or are waiting for the start date to arrive. Currently 4 to 5 years.
Living costs? Well with only 3 bases in the south, the chances are you will be somewhere 'north of the river' where living costs and rent are a lot less than the ol' smoke. Having worked at LGW in the past, the money away from London goes a lot further.
Repaying initial capital outlay? I'm currently on £49000, paid back the Loan, saved a deposit and have a mortgage. Command course starts pronto, not even 30 years old. True, no shiny airbus, but certainly a great grounding on the dash for my career. I actually got to fly it as well. (unlike FBW'd busses) That's why I wanted to be a pilot, to fly. Current commercial plan hints that my time back on the dash could be very limited, due to rate of fleet replacement.
Being looked after interms of accommodation, transport (HOTAC) and a meal allowance during initial TR, as well as not paying a penny for the TR is a huge help.
Roster stability? Your roster here is a greater work of fiction than even Shakespeare could put together for a famous tragedy.
Not sure what the loan amount is other than several F/Os in base having one, but a standard bond for a TR is 13,500 reducing over 3 years from FLC. Most of the ex-cadets seem happy with their choices, given just how competitive the jobs market is right now. In a few years time, they will either be on a jet, going for command, or heading off somewhere else to work ( market conditions not withstanding) that said we a seeing pilots head into the arabian sunset. It would appear that certain airlines realise that an airbus is a pile of tosh to fly compared with the 'do it yourself, coz the airplane sure can't' Dash. And that turbo-prop pilots can indeed fly jets. We certainly prove that by converting pilots on to our FBW jet fleet.
Congrats on the FPP course. It certainly does seem very nice. But please don't rubbish airlines that have continued to hire ab initios and offer courses when none of the other big boys wanted to do their part. No one here is poor, it certainly is tough in those first couple of years, I'm sure living around London on a FPP scale won't be awfully easy either. But after the hard bit, it does get better.
And yes dooooo wait and get on an airline scheme! So many people have completed training with no hope of a job in the future due to the market conditions.
In terms of repayments, I started on £23000 and today's new FO starts on £28000. For part sponsored (those with the BE loan) there is an optional 2 year payment holiday to ease the out goings whilst getting settled in life. A 5 year bond adds to security ( the board wants the money back in terms of their pound of flesh by working you). With an ever increasing jet fleet, the time spent on the splash is getting shorter, currently 4 years on average and reducing. Time to command? Well for those who joined as the doors closed in 2008, several are now either going through command courses, or are waiting for the start date to arrive. Currently 4 to 5 years.
Living costs? Well with only 3 bases in the south, the chances are you will be somewhere 'north of the river' where living costs and rent are a lot less than the ol' smoke. Having worked at LGW in the past, the money away from London goes a lot further.
Repaying initial capital outlay? I'm currently on £49000, paid back the Loan, saved a deposit and have a mortgage. Command course starts pronto, not even 30 years old. True, no shiny airbus, but certainly a great grounding on the dash for my career. I actually got to fly it as well. (unlike FBW'd busses) That's why I wanted to be a pilot, to fly. Current commercial plan hints that my time back on the dash could be very limited, due to rate of fleet replacement.
Being looked after interms of accommodation, transport (HOTAC) and a meal allowance during initial TR, as well as not paying a penny for the TR is a huge help.
Roster stability? Your roster here is a greater work of fiction than even Shakespeare could put together for a famous tragedy.
Not sure what the loan amount is other than several F/Os in base having one, but a standard bond for a TR is 13,500 reducing over 3 years from FLC. Most of the ex-cadets seem happy with their choices, given just how competitive the jobs market is right now. In a few years time, they will either be on a jet, going for command, or heading off somewhere else to work ( market conditions not withstanding) that said we a seeing pilots head into the arabian sunset. It would appear that certain airlines realise that an airbus is a pile of tosh to fly compared with the 'do it yourself, coz the airplane sure can't' Dash. And that turbo-prop pilots can indeed fly jets. We certainly prove that by converting pilots on to our FBW jet fleet.
Congrats on the FPP course. It certainly does seem very nice. But please don't rubbish airlines that have continued to hire ab initios and offer courses when none of the other big boys wanted to do their part. No one here is poor, it certainly is tough in those first couple of years, I'm sure living around London on a FPP scale won't be awfully easy either. But after the hard bit, it does get better.
And yes dooooo wait and get on an airline scheme! So many people have completed training with no hope of a job in the future due to the market conditions.
Apologies if this is thread drift......what are the chances of guys with some experience getting into FlyBe ? I've been registered on their application portal for a few years now, update my details regularly but it seems to not lead anywhere by way of response - is it mainly freshly minted cadets getting in, or perhaps more about knowing the right person(s) within ?.
