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Hi All,
I am interested in the Captain program,
Could any one out there presently undergo this program kind enough to share some insight about Lion Air training?
Also those who are in the know the failure rate for this program?
Much appreciate any information.
I am interested in the Captain program,
Could any one out there presently undergo this program kind enough to share some insight about Lion Air training?
Also those who are in the know the failure rate for this program?
Much appreciate any information.
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I am not going to talk about what i think of P2F, but i looked at their website and saw numerous spelling errors and bad phraseology, makes me think if this is legit.
Looks like the Chinese and Nigeria letters (translated with google translate)...
Looks like the Chinese and Nigeria letters (translated with google translate)...
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I know of a few pilots who have gone through California Falcon Aviation
without any complaint so far.
without any complaint so far.
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You pay a an initial payment of US$5000 and you lose this if you fail your assessment.
I have heard the assessment is tough but many pilots just turn up and don't put enough work in or fail due to the low number of hours and poor training from their TRTO.
If you pass your assessment then you pay the remaining line training fee.
There is an average wait of 2 months before you start actually flying. In this time 2 training sessions, your simulator assessment, your medical and all other paperwork to get you flying is arranged.
I have heard the assessment is tough but many pilots just turn up and don't put enough work in or fail due to the low number of hours and poor training from their TRTO.
If you pass your assessment then you pay the remaining line training fee.
There is an average wait of 2 months before you start actually flying. In this time 2 training sessions, your simulator assessment, your medical and all other paperwork to get you flying is arranged.
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ah good luck to all those who go for this, I self funded a TR to go on this with Falcon, but failed the sim assesment, and there are no second chances.
if your not up to scratch they take no pitty on you, nor do they care about the money you have spent to get this far.
they really do put you through your paces in the sim, be prepared.
despite what you read on here, Lion do have very high standards and its not a job you can just walk in to.
if your not up to scratch they take no pitty on you, nor do they care about the money you have spent to get this far.
they really do put you through your paces in the sim, be prepared.
despite what you read on here, Lion do have very high standards and its not a job you can just walk in to.
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California falcon aviation
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You join them right after your type rating?
How many sim session did you go thru when you reach jakarta with falcon aviation?
I know it cost a lot of money specially when your not a jaa license holder!!
9 people out of 10 all fail the last month batch.
You join them right after your type rating?
How many sim session did you go thru when you reach jakarta with falcon aviation?
I know it cost a lot of money specially when your not a jaa license holder!!
9 people out of 10 all fail the last month batch.
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yes pretty much straight after type rating, this was the intial sim assesment in Jakarta, I had got past the JAA check ride in Miami but only after 3 extra sessions.
in Jakarta the instruction was poor and I personally felt things were very unclear which led to mistake after mistake, I left the sim furious.
however it is a saftey issue and I do respect Lion air for that, fortunatley I was able to find something else, but the real message here is no the aircraft systems inside out, and be quick with pre-flight etc etc these people will not baby sit folk
in Jakarta the instruction was poor and I personally felt things were very unclear which led to mistake after mistake, I left the sim furious.
however it is a saftey issue and I do respect Lion air for that, fortunatley I was able to find something else, but the real message here is no the aircraft systems inside out, and be quick with pre-flight etc etc these people will not baby sit folk
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I had got past the JAA check ride in Miami but only after 3 extra sessions.
when you get there how long you had to wait before going for sim training?
was that after ground school or before?
after you fail how long have u waited before flying,what is the waiting time lets say if you get there and pass everything @first attempt
Thanks
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Could I ask are you guys going through CFA as a FO or Captain? Do you start training and assessment straight away or do you have to wait a month after you show up the first day?
Cheers
Could I ask are you guys going through CFA as a FO or Captain? Do you start training and assessment straight away or do you have to wait a month after you show up the first day?
Cheers
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All the information I have received is from fellow pilots that I know who have completed 500 hours with Lion Air through Eaglejet or CFA and are either now employed with them or have been employed with them and moved on to find employment with other, larger carriers.
They have told me that there is a delay of one to two months when they arrive there due to paperwork and bureaucracy etc. which can be frustrating. The feedback I have been given is that the organisation isn't great but they did say though that when you start flying you really do build up hours quickly which is why you're out there in the first place.
In two years they have been able to unfreeze their licenses and move on. They all went through the FO program.
They have told me that there is a delay of one to two months when they arrive there due to paperwork and bureaucracy etc. which can be frustrating. The feedback I have been given is that the organisation isn't great but they did say though that when you start flying you really do build up hours quickly which is why you're out there in the first place.
In two years they have been able to unfreeze their licenses and move on. They all went through the FO program.
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Hi IRS, i'm sorry but your info are not totally correct,
as far as i saw everione payd upfront, after you fail you get more or less 70% your money back after months , plus travel, leaving etc etc you loose about 10000 and more dollars.
There is an average wait of 2 months before you start actually flying,
Sorry but this is totally incorrect... the lukyest one i knew started after 5 months, i know people that is now waiting 8 months... average 6 ( JAA HOLDERS )
If you pass your assessment then you pay the remaining line training
fee.
fee.
There is an average wait of 2 months before you start actually flying,
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hi babicha
How many sim session did you go thru when you reach jakarta with falcon
aviation?
Eaglejet (more expensive ) gives you 2 extra 8 hours session with JTC in Jakarta , not really lion sops and very poor uman skills.. their instructor was just fired for that reason, Guys from CFA didn't get those so when the situation became hot they bouth extra session but was too late ...
9 people out of 10 all fail the last month batch.
True, the standard is becomeing higher months after months becouse there is no shortage of first officer anymore, providers makes money anyway.... ( 7000 times 9 failed guys is really good money considered you just have to write some email and wait for the money transfer )
How many sim session did you go thru when you reach jakarta with falcon
aviation?
9 people out of 10 all fail the last month batch.
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Dear IRS
i'm sure your info is acuurate, maybe we just hav a different way to look at this things,
anyway, CFA started is "business" at the beginning of this year, so looks odd they compleete the 500 and employed in another "larger Carrier",
i can tell you what i see around me.... some guys did manage to jump ... like two in Norwegian ( they were locals with fluent language and with more than 2500 o type ) another one in hongkong expr. , but its just a few% of the expats pailots , i can tell you what i see around me , guys with 2/3000 on type applying on any agency or airline ( even the crapy ones ) and not getting any answer so far afthe 8 month and moore..
and even if you get it you can not give any referencies, becouse youre afraid to be fired when the management find out... and anyway, you will never get a free week to go in flydubay and do their 5 days assestement.....
Really Sorry to disappoint you
i'm sure your info is acuurate, maybe we just hav a different way to look at this things,
anyway, CFA started is "business" at the beginning of this year, so looks odd they compleete the 500 and employed in another "larger Carrier",
i can tell you what i see around me.... some guys did manage to jump ... like two in Norwegian ( they were locals with fluent language and with more than 2500 o type ) another one in hongkong expr. , but its just a few% of the expats pailots , i can tell you what i see around me , guys with 2/3000 on type applying on any agency or airline ( even the crapy ones ) and not getting any answer so far afthe 8 month and moore..
and even if you get it you can not give any referencies, becouse youre afraid to be fired when the management find out... and anyway, you will never get a free week to go in flydubay and do their 5 days assestement.....
Really Sorry to disappoint you
All the information I have received is from fellow pilots that I know who have
completed 500 hours with Lion Air through Eaglejet or CFA and are either now
employed with them or have been employed with them and moved on to find
employment with other, larger carriers.
completed 500 hours with Lion Air through Eaglejet or CFA and are either now
employed with them or have been employed with them and moved on to find
employment with other, larger carriers.
