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500 hours and a one year contract in Jakarta would just about be bearable but 4 years would not be fun. Although at least you would have 4000+ hours upon leaving.
The missus wouldn't be best pleased with living there for 4 years either.
I suppose it's a way to entice p2f FOs to stay with Lion Air and not jump ship after a year and a bit?
I just wish there were some other programs in the far East apart from Jakarta.
The missus wouldn't be best pleased with living there for 4 years either.
I suppose it's a way to entice p2f FOs to stay with Lion Air and not jump ship after a year and a bit?
I just wish there were some other programs in the far East apart from Jakarta.
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Unfortunately it looks like the only choice is the 4 year employment contract and nothing shorter. A shame really because I could have dealt with 1.5 years in Jakarta.
But 4 years would be madness.
But 4 years would be madness.
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Having lived in China for a number of years I can advise you that 4 years in Jakarta would get on your nerves and you would want out after maybe 2-3 years.
I was considering the one year program but this is no longer possible because of this new contract.
Hong Kong, Bangkok, Singapore you could all live in for 4 years but Jakarta is a whole different kettle of fish.
In Beijing the pollution was pretty bad but bearable and it's not as bad as in Jakarta.
However, each to their own at the end of the day. If you think you can do 4 years there, be my guest.
I was considering the one year program but this is no longer possible because of this new contract.
Hong Kong, Bangkok, Singapore you could all live in for 4 years but Jakarta is a whole different kettle of fish.
In Beijing the pollution was pretty bad but bearable and it's not as bad as in Jakarta.
However, each to their own at the end of the day. If you think you can do 4 years there, be my guest.
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It's all down to preference and what kind of lifestyle they expect for themselves. Some will as you say spend a prolonged period of time in such places whereas others see it as a means to an end and simply want to get it over with and onto someplace more lucrative like the Middle East.
Then again 'employment' is the name of the game in the end so if someone is offering you 4 years is that really so bad? I know they don't pay the best but at least the low salary is offset somewhat by the lower cost of living. Then again all up and coming cities in Asia are becoming increasingly expensive by the day.
As a pilot many people should be aware that multi nationalised work environments are the norm and we need to be the ones who are eager to travel. That's part and parcel of becoming a pilot in the first place.
Hope that helps.
Then again 'employment' is the name of the game in the end so if someone is offering you 4 years is that really so bad? I know they don't pay the best but at least the low salary is offset somewhat by the lower cost of living. Then again all up and coming cities in Asia are becoming increasingly expensive by the day.
As a pilot many people should be aware that multi nationalised work environments are the norm and we need to be the ones who are eager to travel. That's part and parcel of becoming a pilot in the first place.
Hope that helps.
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Lion Air + 500 hrs + 1 Year
its nice to read lots of views on this subject. I am a Low hours pilot waiting for an opportunity like this but after seeing the new Contract i realized its not going to happened. I was in the middle of deciding whether to do the Flight instructor rating or to save more and join this program. Now with the prices going up from USD 28000 to 39000 for Line training I may have to see another avenue or Give up aviation since I am already in my Mid 30 s.
I am one of those who always looking for first hand experience. so I rung the CEO in USA at Eagle and got confirmed the rumor that Lions Contract was cancelled d with Eagle ( there was thread somewhere here ) then the CEO s answer was that he has worked with Lion for 17 years and this is non other than damaging their link with by another few competitors.
now I am constantly in touch with a batch mate of mine currently doing the 500 Line training waiting to get the work permit cleared from them at Lion. mind you he has to spend almost a month doing nothing once he came to Jakarta until he could get the SIM ride booked and failed the check ride . Both of them have done the EU Type rating but came though Eagle. so its not the flying that matters , its the waiting time. and time is money where yo have spend your savings towards housing, food until you get checked out after 500 hrs, mind you there are 7 ratings to get before you join the Company as well. So even before you start your Line training you may have spent close to USD 60,000 which is something that I have to think over and over again.
I am still in touch with him and even though he has signed a contract they are waiting for Work Permits, then again after Lion s order of 150 + B 737 order , my only hope is the Asian region for future Jobs as low timers.
Now since My friend who is on line with Lion does not know anything about the new Eagle jet contract of 4 years ( he doesnt wnat to kow since he is now with Lion ) can somebody please tell me the truth about leaving early before 4 years and the amount you have to pay ? has anybody here negotiated the one year deal from the 4 year deal, can we have that option?
I am one of those who always looking for first hand experience. so I rung the CEO in USA at Eagle and got confirmed the rumor that Lions Contract was cancelled d with Eagle ( there was thread somewhere here ) then the CEO s answer was that he has worked with Lion for 17 years and this is non other than damaging their link with by another few competitors.
now I am constantly in touch with a batch mate of mine currently doing the 500 Line training waiting to get the work permit cleared from them at Lion. mind you he has to spend almost a month doing nothing once he came to Jakarta until he could get the SIM ride booked and failed the check ride . Both of them have done the EU Type rating but came though Eagle. so its not the flying that matters , its the waiting time. and time is money where yo have spend your savings towards housing, food until you get checked out after 500 hrs, mind you there are 7 ratings to get before you join the Company as well. So even before you start your Line training you may have spent close to USD 60,000 which is something that I have to think over and over again.
I am still in touch with him and even though he has signed a contract they are waiting for Work Permits, then again after Lion s order of 150 + B 737 order , my only hope is the Asian region for future Jobs as low timers.
Now since My friend who is on line with Lion does not know anything about the new Eagle jet contract of 4 years ( he doesnt wnat to kow since he is now with Lion ) can somebody please tell me the truth about leaving early before 4 years and the amount you have to pay ? has anybody here negotiated the one year deal from the 4 year deal, can we have that option?
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just for your info Lion started operation in 2000 so it's kind of impossible to work with them for 17 years...
another thing...this is not just a "line training" as you sign contract with Lion before you start flying (work permit is issued when you start with sim-phase 1)...they just use expression "line training" so they don't have to pay you. In conventional old school "line training" you are free to go after 500hrs, here, you have to stay 4 years working your ass for peunats...
if you wait enough you will see price dropping. there are not enough people who can afford this.
I also planned to join when offer was at 26500+1yr(2max) but now no f..ing way
Does anyone know who else is "hiring" for Lion??
another thing...this is not just a "line training" as you sign contract with Lion before you start flying (work permit is issued when you start with sim-phase 1)...they just use expression "line training" so they don't have to pay you. In conventional old school "line training" you are free to go after 500hrs, here, you have to stay 4 years working your ass for peunats...
if you wait enough you will see price dropping. there are not enough people who can afford this.
I also planned to join when offer was at 26500+1yr(2max) but now no f..ing way
Does anyone know who else is "hiring" for Lion??
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A fellow groundschool buddy of mine from a few years back recieved a document from Eaglejet in which they claimed that the ATR program also included employment for approximately 1 year. I got a copy of it from him at the time and can confirm that's what it said in the document.
Hope that helps in someway.
Hope that helps in someway.
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Did your friend work there for approximately a year after line training or not? I don't get what you mean. Boogie-nicey, could you be clearer please?
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Sorry about the confusion, no neither of us undertook the program as he was pondering over various options. Nevertheless I was surprised when he told me about the employment option because the website didn't mention it yet I could clearly see the document had stated 500hrs + 1 year slavery (employment 
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In fact I have never heard of anyone going onto the Eaglejet ATR program so can't really say much more than. Just my 2 cents worth I'm afraid.
). In fact I have never heard of anyone going onto the Eaglejet ATR program so can't really say much more than. Just my 2 cents worth I'm afraid.
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I think no one has gone into ATR program yet because for most of the wannabes Boeing or Airbus is cooler than the ATR - I think this is the answer.
Personally, I'd prefer the Dash 8 Q400 over the ATR42/72, but when it comes down to work, there is no difference for me unless I can choose.
Personally, I'd prefer the Dash 8 Q400 over the ATR42/72, but when it comes down to work, there is no difference for me unless I can choose.
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jettraning.net do not offer line traning + employment contract. They simply work with EagleJet to supply the type rating to the prosepctive candidates.
A320 line training is done in Turkey and the only 737 program they have is with Lion Air in Indonesia.
Skiesconsultancy have programs in Armenia and employment deals for the a320 with an airline in the UAE, however, the salary for the one year employment contract is $1000 per month.
Not a huge range of options out there really.
A320 line training is done in Turkey and the only 737 program they have is with Lion Air in Indonesia.
Skiesconsultancy have programs in Armenia and employment deals for the a320 with an airline in the UAE, however, the salary for the one year employment contract is $1000 per month.
Not a huge range of options out there really.
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What about the B737 prog in europe with EJ ??? Testing in jan25/6.
Which company ?
And the reply from EJ lately indicates more EU-prog to come ???
Any info ?
Which company ?
And the reply from EJ lately indicates more EU-prog to come ???
Any info ?
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