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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 12:59
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I didn't refer to multi crew turbine operators I was referring to "bush" type flying. It is not just my personal opinion it is based on a requirement for extra training sectors and a high level of failure to transition to the line by pilots from this background.
Why would we take the risk when there are freshly minted young graduates available.
Sorry if it's harsh but it's even harsher for young people to stump up 100k then go to fly Caravans thinking it is a reliable pathway into a jet job.
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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 13:34
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The question is after you try and survive in that environment for 2 or 3 years, all you really have is total time, you have zero time on type therefore putting you on the exact same page as everybody else to be frank about it.
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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 13:47
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I think the main problem stems from the fact that people think Susi Air is all bush flying.

There are many bases in Susi Air, and there is only one base that really specialize in bush flying, and that's the Papua base, and a lot of the people flying there fly there because that's the kind of job they really want.

When you go to bases outside of Papua, most people fly the caravan like any other commercial aircraft.

Paved runway to paved runway, controlled aerodrome, SID, en route portion, always in controlled airspace, VOR or ILS approach, to a second controlled airport. All while using SOPs taken mostly from Cathay Pacific in a very structured multi-crew environment.

I think a lot of people really think Susi Air is some kind of back-country bush operator more found in remote places in Africa, when only a very small part of the company do actual "bush flying".
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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 14:30
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BAe 146-100 I will not say survive. This is a pretty sweet place to live. After 3 years you will have part or all the money invested in your training in the flight school returned, around 2500 hours more, a lot of experiences and stories to tell to your future kids, a lot of great moments and memories, a lot of friends from all over the world, etc...
Pitotheat maybe in your airline and some airlines dont like Susi pilots but I can tell you a lot of airlines that like us because every month there is people leaving for airlines jobs (Wizzair, Copa, Vueling...) and a lot of them for business jets.
I rather prefer being working and earning money than being sit at home waiting for a big airline to call me.
As susipilot says the company changes a lot from one base to another. Im in Papua and I can tell you that this is not the flying that an airline want but is the flying that I want and make me happy. In other bases the flying is like in a big airline, all autopilot and ifr. The day I get tired of flying in Papua I will try to get a job in a airliner and Im sure that the decision making and experience flying that we get here a fresh graduated pilot doesnt have it.
And finally maybe this is not a glamorous airline job but Susi pays for the training, licenses, medical, insurance, transport, house, meals... How many airlines nowadays do it?
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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 14:31
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every year there are dozens and dozens of pilots leaving susi air to fly for airlines back in europe,and they all do because of their experience and hour requirement.
the statement that a freshly trained 250hours pilot is more capable of a guy having flown thousands of hours in a turboprop is one of the funniest things i heard in the last years.
maybe you wanted to point out that they dont agree to pay money for type rating or for some kind of p2f scheme like most of the 250 guys do.
oh and another thing.apart from the omes who went into ryr Nobody leaving susi for european or asian airlines had to pay for his type rating.so come and say again that worth nothing flying a turboprop.
It's an absolute pleasure not to work for your airline
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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 15:07
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I am delighted that so many Susiair pilots are happy. I am not having a go at the Susiair pilots personally. The problem is when pilots from this "bush" type background try to make the transition to a highly structured SOP dominated environment they struggle.
The longer you continue in this environment the more difficult it is to adapt to other operations.
If someone from your background was thrown into a short notice visual approach you would no doubt make a reasonable job even if some of the gates were missed whereas a 170 MPL graduate would be overloaded and need a lot of support. However, in today's world of Threat Error Management driven SOPs airlines don't want you to display outstanding hand/eye coordination they want predictable safe highly compliant operators who follow the Operations Manual to the letter. That is why there are so many problems adapting from your operations to that where I operate.
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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 15:44
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Do you even read my posts pitot?

edit: to elaborate, the majority of pilots in Susi Air, as I mentioned before, are actually very far from what would be considered bush flying. Not any more than how turboprops operate in Europe for that matter, just smaller strips that are more suited to that kind of plane.

Most of the company run highly structured (as also mentioned before) multi-crew SOPs, COMs, OPSPECS etc. I will admit that yes, the oversight isn't the best in the world, but you won't find many differences from people flying a 737 for another Indonesian airline, even the non-blacklisted ones.

The major difference is the country that we operate in, and every airline here have to abide by the rule of the land, which is of course, a lot less stringent than EASA and FAA. However, I would say Susi Air probably operates a more professional, by the book SOP cockpit than most of the major airlines in Indonesia.

I haven't heard of anyone having problems adapting to major airlines when they move there from Susi Air.
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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 15:54
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I read your posts Susi. My posts are directed towards the low hour wannabe who is considering a job in your neck of the woods and the effect this may have on their further employment elsewhere.
I will let this thread drift back to its original topic. I just wanted to add a bit of balance to the no doubt agonising decision to be made by a few who are considering this option.

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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 15:59
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Well, other than you I've yet to see any real proof that any Susi Air pilot has had any problems getting hired with corporate, regional, and major operators across all continents.

There was a couple of lists a few pages back, but people who have spent years in Susi Air, have had no problems getting into SAS, Cathay Pacific, Air New Zealand, Quantas, Ryan Air, varius US regionals, varius European low cost and regional operators, various jet operators across Asia.

So from my standpoint, if the choice is between sitting at home, and flying only your ME renewal once a year, and working for Susi Air, keeping the rust at bay, and have some awesome experiences while you wait for a job opportunity to pop up, my choice is easy.


I understand where you come from, and on paper it sounds logical. Now I haven't flown much in the bush myself, Indonesia or anywhere else, as I've not been part of that part of the company, and maybe if you hire people from pure bush operations, single pilot, in the middle of Africa, you may run into problems.
However, when most of the pilots here, operate under very stringent SOPs with good CRM and mostly IFR structured line flights, I see that as a different thing entirely.


I will let you have your opinion though, but if you ever get a Susi Air pilot in your sim one day, maybe you'll be surprised.
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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 17:30
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Pitotheat I understand your point and I appreciate the information given for my future employment opportunities. But I think we are here making a mistake and not only us, all the industry in general. Why do we have to go straight from a C172 and 150 hours to a A320? I think that is a big mistake. The FAA realized the problem and created the new rule of the 1500 hours to avoid fresh pilots in big jets. It should be a progressive path until get into a big jet. Maybe the capabilities learned in Susi are not the ones that a mayor big airline is looking for but maybe are the ones that a Cargo operator in Africa, Asia, the Caribbean or where else is looking for and from a Caravan jump to a Embraer 120 or a Donier or a Fokker. And from a Cargo airline jump to a Regional airline flying an ATR and from there finally to a mayor airline flying a 320.
I think it that way when you get to a A380 you can say that you have tested and have enjoyed all the possibilities in aviation and you earned being in that position.
Also I think a lot of business jets appreciate the skills learned in Susi because they fly to small strips and a lot of times without instrument approach. As I told you before there are a lot of Susi pilots leaving for a business jet job.
I think there is more possibilities in aviation that only fly a 320/737 in a big airline from London to Paris.
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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 21:00
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I cannot comment on the specifics of their ops (as I have never done it).

Though what I can comment on is the various statements on what potential aviation companies want. Most companies want currency. It is common knowledge that it is always easier to apply for a job by being already employed in the same industry.

Now if you do not meet the experience requirement for a particular company then make sure you get it so they will want to take a closer look at you. Where to get it? Somewhere. Somehow.

I am sure that job in Indonesia will be a decent start for a low hour pilot.

Good luck to all.

Remember, unless you pay for an overpriced initial course and your way in with one of the type program courses chances are it will be a long and hard road into an airliner or corporate jet.
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Old 2nd Oct 2014, 21:27
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pitotheat, just to clarify the point I was trying to make. I don't doubt that there are some airlines who would be completely against hiring from this background. All I was trying to say is that there are a lot of things picked up from Susi that will open doors too. Anywhere that specifies a total time requirement, places that ask for multi crew time, places that ask for turbine time. Even more likely is the doors that it will open for non scheduled transport work, as although I have never worked bizjet etc myself, I used to spend a fair amount of time in and around various companies and I know a lot of them would appreciate the experience over someone with only a licence and minimum hours.
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Old 4th Oct 2014, 01:15
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What does it matter how much your license cost?

Are we pilots because of the money? If you only do this because of the money I hope you never get a job!!

I fly because I love it!

And as previous post from @susipilot and others...

What is wrong with getting a Flying job? Aerial photography or Jump Pilot, Bush Pilot, any type of Pilot Job is a JOB!! And some colleges Pilot get the chance to go straight from the school to Ryan or any other Big Jet company..
Some others have a different path.

But I do respect more someone that goes and finds a Job in Indonesia or Africa, that someone that sits at home playing FSX.. Sorry!

In my case, I have an EASA CPL, ICAO CPL and FAA PPL.
I ended up in South America flying a 737-200 and my salary is not even 20% of what I was making as a Cabin crew when I was working in the Middle east.
But when I go to work I have a smile in my face!!

If I would have got the chance at Susi I would have taken it, Africa tell me when as long as I fly!!

Of course my end goal and dream is to fly a 777 but time and effort is required!

Important thing is not to pick bad habits, stick to SOP and procedures.

Aviation is BLACK AND WHITE.
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Old 8th Oct 2014, 02:05
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Question:
What is the usual amount of time it takes for recruitment to get back to an applicant after testing/interview.
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Old 8th Oct 2014, 08:30
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In my case it took 2 weeks.
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Old 9th Oct 2014, 15:11
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What does it matter how much your license cost?

Are we pilots because of the money?I ended up in South America flying a 737-200 and my salary is not even 20% of what I was making as a Cabin crew

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Old 9th Oct 2014, 15:33
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@thebig d

Just so you stop hitting your head in the wall.. Don't want you to get bruised.

When I said what matter how much the license cost, because someone said 100k. and you can get a CPL ICAO for 20K $ not pounds in some countries...

And yes I do prefer to get 20% of my previous earnings and do what I do at the moment!
You can ask me again 2-3 years from now about my incomes.. You might hit your head harder
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Old 9th Oct 2014, 16:04
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Trust me aless, I really wish you all the best in your endeavors. I won't debate the fact that you are making 20% of a FA's salary and you trying to justify it and not seeing anything wrong with that. Good luck, and let us all know when you hit the big time.
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Old 9th Oct 2014, 16:12
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At least that picture made me smile!

And no I wont let you all know cuz I don't really care..

Maybe 800$ is not much in most developed countries.. But here where I live it allows me to Eat outside everyday and have a driver to take me to work.

So I don't justify anything. Im happy where I am at the moment!

Thanks for the good wishes!!

Best Regards!
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 13:24
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