LION AIR. What is the deal?
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LION AIR. What is the deal?
Hello,
I'd like to know what is really going on at Lion Air? Are they hiring low time pilots (250 ish hours) or is a damn pay2fly program?
Thanks.
I'd like to know what is really going on at Lion Air? Are they hiring low time pilots (250 ish hours) or is a damn pay2fly program?
Thanks.
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Read the http://www.pprune.org/interviews-job...-training.html thread if you still haven't figured out that they are P2F company.
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Amen! 
I have a couple of friends there who actually enjoy the thing. They worked hard to get the money to go for it and now are happy with their decision. They both were hired after the 500 hours and are now on the 1 year contract, which basically will allow them to regain the money spent for the scheme, more or less.
I'm not saying p2f is right, but it's an option. World is changing, economy too, we can't expect to live in the past while everything is moving around us.
Why should be bad working in China or Brazil? I always wanted to be a pilot, so I was ready to move to a different country since the beginning of my choice. I don't understand people that go for the pilot life without willing to move out of their native country. That sounds weird.
Jobs are out there, but people need to move. Europe is packed, Far East is the new market, and Brazil too. They are growing, in the same way, though faster, it happened in North America and Europe. Get used to the change, it's the way it is.
That was my 2 cents
I have a couple of friends there who actually enjoy the thing. They worked hard to get the money to go for it and now are happy with their decision. They both were hired after the 500 hours and are now on the 1 year contract, which basically will allow them to regain the money spent for the scheme, more or less.
I'm not saying p2f is right, but it's an option. World is changing, economy too, we can't expect to live in the past while everything is moving around us.
Why should be bad working in China or Brazil? I always wanted to be a pilot, so I was ready to move to a different country since the beginning of my choice. I don't understand people that go for the pilot life without willing to move out of their native country. That sounds weird.
Jobs are out there, but people need to move. Europe is packed, Far East is the new market, and Brazil too. They are growing, in the same way, though faster, it happened in North America and Europe. Get used to the change, it's the way it is.
That was my 2 cents
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absolutely, well said mate!
I would never be able to look myself in the mirror if I ever joined one of those schemes!
"How did you start your career?"
"Well, I bought the right seat of a 737, and started from here"
What a success story!
I would never be able to look myself in the mirror if I ever joined one of those schemes!
"How did you start your career?"
"Well, I bought the right seat of a 737, and started from here"
What a success story!
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Sorry if I hurt your feelings! you must be one of those guys?!
) ways to get in without having found a job offer with free or bonded TR. Other ways are WindJet in Italy which requires 55K euro for TR + 500 hrs + one year contract in Italy, Pegasus Airlines for a 737 TR + 100 hrs LT and then there is another company who offer TR and LT on the A320 family in Turkey. Is there anyone who is still interested for P2F in Italy? Give a look at Mistral Air wich offers TR + 3 months on the 737 classic.
I won't go for any of this way if I don't find a job offer without paying for TR + LT or U2 and FR don't get me. I'd rather either go for a while in Indonesia or Africa or become a flight instructor and then pay upfront for a TR only with a serious job offer. Another interesting choice would be get in the executive a day.
So, said that I'm not one of them, but that's one way to try to get in.
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totally bullock, your "friends"(as you call them) have no work permit, they work in a pizzeria waiting their turn(to serve me,
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they have not been hired, why should they hire them when the line of desperate pilots zombies make 20 km long. Lion air doesn't give work permits, so they fly illegally? their hours can not be recognized.What about that?
).they have not been hired, why should they hire them when the line of desperate pilots zombies make 20 km long. Lion air doesn't give work permits, so they fly illegally? their hours can not be recognized.What about that?
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If I wanted to pay for TR and LT, I'd go for WindJet. Sicilian girls are hot!
I may do it in the future, who knows. First let me get my licences and try to get a job in the traditional way.
I may do it in the future, who knows. First let me get my licences and try to get a job in the traditional way.
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I appreciate your answer. At least you are not one of this imature wanabees. I can't deny it is one way of starting a career, but, that is the least respectable one. Personally, I'll never do it. I have been in Africa for 10 month, couldn't find a job, most insurance companies want 500h TT as a mini requirement. So I am working now in a Telecom Company saving money to do an instructor rating in february and get my hours up.
Good Luck to you.
Good Luck to you.
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Looks like somebody got pissed because was the only one to be kicked out: poor guy, go crying to your mommy.
You have never been there, might be you don't even know where Indonesia is.
Go out and start networking, might be you'll get a job too
You have never been there, might be you don't even know where Indonesia is.
Go out and start networking, might be you'll get a job too
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In the last recruitment for Jet2 Two Lion pilots got hired...if you dont believe me start looking for some Channex guys and they will tell you as well.
And yes your right you do ENTER the country on a tourist visa but within 30 days your already in Immigration getting the work permit, once passed all the tech exam and the two sim checks with company pilots and DGCA.
And yes your right you do ENTER the country on a tourist visa but within 30 days your already in Immigration getting the work permit, once passed all the tech exam and the two sim checks with company pilots and DGCA.
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As Sekmeth said, there are a lot of guys who have a two year contract with nice salary (3000 us dollar and living costs paid by LionAir) at LionAir. They only paid the typerating, so the same what you should do for RyanAir/Easyjet ect.
So, inform yourself better when you are talking about P2F schemes and that sort of things.
Besides that, in two years when you are invited for a company, I think they would choose the guy with around 1500 hours jet engine multi-pilot hours at a black-listed airline, rather than the guy who made in two years 200 SEP VFR hours in Europe or somewhere else in the world....
Just my 2cents
So, inform yourself better when you are talking about P2F schemes and that sort of things.
Besides that, in two years when you are invited for a company, I think they would choose the guy with around 1500 hours jet engine multi-pilot hours at a black-listed airline, rather than the guy who made in two years 200 SEP VFR hours in Europe or somewhere else in the world....
Just my 2cents
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Well alot on here object to pay to fly to , you have to do what best suits your circumstances.
In 2007 I must have taken a 30000+ pay cut to become a full time instructor, not to mention the fact that it also cost be 5000+ of my own money to support my living expenses for the year I worked as an instructor. Although I did secure several interviews from working as an instructor, I made a very poor choice of my first multi crew job and ended up getting laid off after six months. So all in all ending up with a handful of hours of an old generation turboprop doesn't really get the CV noticed.
So to me the real cost of instructing full time for a year was 35000 pounds.
The fact remains I would have been far better off staying in my previous job (which I am now back in anyway) for a further tweleve months and raising the cash for a pay to fly scheme, irrespective of what is said on here 500 hours on a 737 may well have got me a job at Jet2 and right now would have made me eligible to apply for BA. I enjoyed instructing, I have some wonderful bar stories about flying an old turboprop, but the fact remains a pay to fly scheme would have much been much more useful for career enhancement.
The thing that has probably most contributed to the pay to fly schemes is the fact instructional pay is so low and most turboprop jobs are also quite poorly paid.
In 2007 I must have taken a 30000+ pay cut to become a full time instructor, not to mention the fact that it also cost be 5000+ of my own money to support my living expenses for the year I worked as an instructor. Although I did secure several interviews from working as an instructor, I made a very poor choice of my first multi crew job and ended up getting laid off after six months. So all in all ending up with a handful of hours of an old generation turboprop doesn't really get the CV noticed.
So to me the real cost of instructing full time for a year was 35000 pounds.
The fact remains I would have been far better off staying in my previous job (which I am now back in anyway) for a further tweleve months and raising the cash for a pay to fly scheme, irrespective of what is said on here 500 hours on a 737 may well have got me a job at Jet2 and right now would have made me eligible to apply for BA. I enjoyed instructing, I have some wonderful bar stories about flying an old turboprop, but the fact remains a pay to fly scheme would have much been much more useful for career enhancement.
The thing that has probably most contributed to the pay to fly schemes is the fact instructional pay is so low and most turboprop jobs are also quite poorly paid.
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porthabouflyer,
I understand you, I am in the same boat as you.
I was a flight instructor in different schools, bad paid, bad schools,...corrupt managment.
Then the low cost airlines, bad paid.
Airline down, bought by another airline, bad politic, people moaning 24h.
I finished with nothing kicked out on the street ( at least no debt), and I know whatever I take these days, flight instructor or airline again, I am good to pay and I will be broke if I am not cautious.
This job will hit us hard, at any stage.
Guys hired at jet2 can find themself out of work anytime.
Fail a sim, fail your medical, fail OPC, get sick, be late, and the managment will show you the door without pity. We worth nothing, they can exchange us like a can of beer!
This profession is like walking on a line over a river.Most guys will fall only the best will go to the other side.After several years in this profession, I know there is no futur for the majority of us and it's not going to be better.
You can still be lucky and get a job tomorrow but wait for the next turn! it's still nice to fly, and you can have a lot of fun, but in my point of views, it doesn't worth the time and the money lost.
P2F not worths, only desperate chaps will join these P2F schemes, and they will have to swim again.
I understand you, I am in the same boat as you.
I was a flight instructor in different schools, bad paid, bad schools,...corrupt managment.
Then the low cost airlines, bad paid.
Airline down, bought by another airline, bad politic, people moaning 24h.
I finished with nothing kicked out on the street ( at least no debt), and I know whatever I take these days, flight instructor or airline again, I am good to pay and I will be broke if I am not cautious.
This job will hit us hard, at any stage.
Guys hired at jet2 can find themself out of work anytime.
Fail a sim, fail your medical, fail OPC, get sick, be late, and the managment will show you the door without pity. We worth nothing, they can exchange us like a can of beer!
This profession is like walking on a line over a river.Most guys will fall only the best will go to the other side.After several years in this profession, I know there is no futur for the majority of us and it's not going to be better.
You can still be lucky and get a job tomorrow but wait for the next turn! it's still nice to fly, and you can have a lot of fun, but in my point of views, it doesn't worth the time and the money lost.
P2F not worths, only desperate chaps will join these P2F schemes, and they will have to swim again.