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Hi there,
I saw your post about FPP with FTEHI and was wondering if you had a start date, I am on the same programme and starting in November! It would be good to know if you are on the same course!
Scott
I saw your post about FPP with FTEHI and was wondering if you had a start date, I am on the same programme and starting in November! It would be good to know if you are on the same course!
Scott
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I haven't this whole thread but to my knowledge BA have always liked having a cadet entry program.
It (certainly in the past) allows them to select the candidates they want, not those who can afford to pay for the cost of the course up front.
It allows them to easily fill short haul FO slots which some DEP's can be reluctant to accept as they're 'LH or nothing'
Generally cadets will make happy pilots. And I only say this in reference to the fact that most cadets join young, accept juniority, progress either SH Capt or LH FO, but most will get the chance to enjoy their last years as a LH captain. Often DEPs can't get enough time in BA to achieve LH commands (due the cadets). ****I'm not saying DEP's aren't happy, just cadets usually get a better career path****
BA can teach them to be...well, Nigels... Like it or not, agree with it or not, BA will always like it's pilots in a certain way and cadets have less to unlearn.
I'm not against DEP's/ex Mil etc at all, but I'm just putting forward a few points as i why I believe BA will continue with a cadet scheme (as well as direct entry of course) in answer to some who question why.
It (certainly in the past) allows them to select the candidates they want, not those who can afford to pay for the cost of the course up front.
It allows them to easily fill short haul FO slots which some DEP's can be reluctant to accept as they're 'LH or nothing'
Generally cadets will make happy pilots. And I only say this in reference to the fact that most cadets join young, accept juniority, progress either SH Capt or LH FO, but most will get the chance to enjoy their last years as a LH captain. Often DEPs can't get enough time in BA to achieve LH commands (due the cadets). ****I'm not saying DEP's aren't happy, just cadets usually get a better career path****
BA can teach them to be...well, Nigels... Like it or not, agree with it or not, BA will always like it's pilots in a certain way and cadets have less to unlearn.
I'm not against DEP's/ex Mil etc at all, but I'm just putting forward a few points as i why I believe BA will continue with a cadet scheme (as well as direct entry of course) in answer to some who question why.
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The BA today is different to that of 20 years ago.
A key attraction of the FPP is cost saving.
That said, BA could have gone with a FPP scheme with much worse T&Cs and to the credit of Flight Ops, they have offered a very good scheme in today's market.
A key attraction of the FPP is cost saving.
That said, BA could have gone with a FPP scheme with much worse T&Cs and to the credit of Flight Ops, they have offered a very good scheme in today's market.
I'm not sure if its common knowledge and I cant be bothered to read back through the thread but I heard from a BA employee this week that they are planning to re-open the FPP in September, just FYI.
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That would be great if it's true. Will they really need pilots as soon as mid 2014 though? It doesn't seem like it from what I've been reading and from the recent bad news for the holdpoolers.
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Re-opening
We will be opening the website for applications on Monday 19th November 2012. We will close the website for applications on Thursday 13th December 2012, unless we receive an overwhelming number of applications in which case we reserve the right to close the application window early. If we have to do this, however, we will make it clear on this page that we are closing the application window early and will email everyone who has started an application to give them 48 hours’ notice of the window closing.
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At first, I haven't read the hole thread due to its length so please be lenient towards me. I would like to ask, what are the specific differences between the FTOs which are selecting in the first stage? In general there are probably all the same standards for the assessment of the prospective pilot trainees, but I assume that each of the three ones does have its own philosophy, therefore I would like to know which is stressed by each of them in BAs FPP selection process.
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Best regards!
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One of the big differences is course size, OAA have course with up to 30 people on them, which seems a lot to me. FTE have a limit of 14 I think, CTC I'm not sure about.
There is alot a lot of uncertainty around OAA right now after the take over by CAE. CAE are changing things and changing them fast, some good, some not so good.
I sort of regret selecting OAA rather than FTE, although I must say the instruction is great.
There is alot a lot of uncertainty around OAA right now after the take over by CAE. CAE are changing things and changing them fast, some good, some not so good.
I sort of regret selecting OAA rather than FTE, although I must say the instruction is great.
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Just got my NO from Oxford 
They want to keep me on the system regarding their other airline programs.. I'm not sure if this is the default answer for people who didn't make the grade, but as I'm pretty much done with my IR/Comm I think I'm going to head off to Botswana..
At least it's warm there
They want to keep me on the system regarding their other airline programs.. I'm not sure if this is the default answer for people who didn't make the grade, but as I'm pretty much done with my IR/Comm I think I'm going to head off to Botswana..
At least it's warm there
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I'm pretty much done with my IR/Comm
I spoke at length with a training captain at BA around a week ago and he told me that historically they've not had any flex in these type of systems. Also starting the application on the website won't let me continue past the 'have you sat any ATPL theory examinations' question. Any advice would be much appreciated.
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I sat all my exams in South Africa and haven't sat my practical test yet, I assume thats how I got around it..
Saying that, perhaps that was a reason I didn't get the gig? No use speculating but it would make me feel a bit better than just not cutting the mustard.. I'd have thought that with a load of hours and exams behind me I'd have been quite a safe bet to progress through the BA scheme..
Blue skies to those who have passed, commiserations to those who haven't
Saying that, perhaps that was a reason I didn't get the gig? No use speculating but it would make me feel a bit better than just not cutting the mustard.. I'd have thought that with a load of hours and exams behind me I'd have been quite a safe bet to progress through the BA scheme..
Blue skies to those who have passed, commiserations to those who haven't
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Langeveldt, the FPP programme website states that if you've started along the road to your commercial you cannot have sat any of the theory exams. How did you get around this? I've just sat my module 1 exams with bristol, and would give an arm and a leg to secure an opportunity like this with BA!
I spoke at length with a training captain at BA around a week ago and he told me that historically they've not had any flex in these type of systems. Also starting the application on the website won't let me continue past the 'have you sat any ATPL theory examinations' question. Any advice would be much appreciated.
I spoke at length with a training captain at BA around a week ago and he told me that historically they've not had any flex in these type of systems. Also starting the application on the website won't let me continue past the 'have you sat any ATPL theory examinations' question. Any advice would be much appreciated.
I would have thought BA have not allowed this for this years applications as it would meaning missing the FTO ground school and associated exams, and would make the individuals training non-standard and perhaps inconsistent.
CAP 804 Section 1 Part D Para 6.2
Prohibition on re-sitting examinations for which valid passes are held
Once a valid pass has been obtained, candidates may not re-sit an examination for any reason, including to attempt to obtain higher marks. Examinations that have been passed may only be retaken when the passes previously achieved are no longer valid.
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Future of BA FPP
Hi,
My dream is to become an airline pilot, and BA
FPP is the perfect opportunity to achieve this. I will be 18 in October 2015, and I am wondering whether the programme will still be running and whether there would still be demand for new pilots then.
My dream is to become an airline pilot, and BA
FPP is the perfect opportunity to achieve this. I will be 18 in October 2015, and I am wondering whether the programme will still be running and whether there would still be demand for new pilots then.
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Hi Sebflyer,
Our industry is notoriously cyclic, You'd be a brave person to forecast that far ahead!
The estimates for numbers of pilots required vary a lot throughout the year, and within BA there are various pools of people they call upon depending on the present requirement (Direct Entry (DEP)/Ex military/cadets etc), so it's even harder to predict.
All you can do is put yourself in the best position to be successful when the opportunity arises (look at the entry requirements/subjects/grades) . I applied at 18 to the old cadet scheme (and failed), went to uni and upon graduating BA weren't recruiting, so applied elsewhere and was lucky to get sponsored, finally ending up in BA as a DEP a few years later.
I wish you and all others applying the best of luck.
Our industry is notoriously cyclic, You'd be a brave person to forecast that far ahead!
The estimates for numbers of pilots required vary a lot throughout the year, and within BA there are various pools of people they call upon depending on the present requirement (Direct Entry (DEP)/Ex military/cadets etc), so it's even harder to predict.
All you can do is put yourself in the best position to be successful when the opportunity arises (look at the entry requirements/subjects/grades) . I applied at 18 to the old cadet scheme (and failed), went to uni and upon graduating BA weren't recruiting, so applied elsewhere and was lucky to get sponsored, finally ending up in BA as a DEP a few years later.
I wish you and all others applying the best of luck.
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A-Level completion
Nowadays, A-levels are comprised of two years, an AS year then an A2 year to complete the whole A-level course. I will be 18 in October 2015, the beginning of the A2 year, so am wondering whether I can apply for a pilot training scheme in that year or whether I'd have to wait till the end of the year in summer 2016. The AS still gets you a grade, but is not advanced as the A2 course. Thanks.
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@sebflyer
If you do not complete your A-levels, you will not meet the minimum requirements, this year they stated;
either 3 A-Levels at Grades BBC or above, excluding General Studies
or an Honours Degree at 2:2 (or higher) or a pass (or above) in a higher degree such as MSc, MA, MPhil, DPhil, PhD, MBA.
A levels will mean A2, not AS. AS levels are not a full A level.
If you do not complete your A-levels, you will not meet the minimum requirements, this year they stated;
either 3 A-Levels at Grades BBC or above, excluding General Studies
or an Honours Degree at 2:2 (or higher) or a pass (or above) in a higher degree such as MSc, MA, MPhil, DPhil, PhD, MBA.
A levels will mean A2, not AS. AS levels are not a full A level.
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Hello guys and gals!
I'm current doing my A-levels and have a question which still hasn't been answered yet. At what month of a year does BA's FPP start?
I will be finishing my A-levels in June 2014 and thought if I applied to BA' FPP in the fourth quarter of 2013, how or when would I be able to start the course without interrupting my A-levels?
If the FPP don't start later than May 2013/2014, that means I'll have have to wait and apply in Q4 of 2014 right?
Cheers!
I'm current doing my A-levels and have a question which still hasn't been answered yet. At what month of a year does BA's FPP start?
I will be finishing my A-levels in June 2014 and thought if I applied to BA' FPP in the fourth quarter of 2013, how or when would I be able to start the course without interrupting my A-levels?
If the FPP don't start later than May 2013/2014, that means I'll have have to wait and apply in Q4 of 2014 right?
Cheers!
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IFRKing.....read the FPP website more thoroughly. And your question has been answered numerous times across both pprune fpp threads.
You cannot be accepted onto the programme unless minimum results are in hand (in your case, A levels). Therefore, in June of 2014 you will still be ineligible, therefore if you apply during the 2013 application (if there is one) you will be rejected. Its a bummer, but you will have to wait until the autumn 2014 application, which will most likely be the last FPP intake.
You cannot be accepted onto the programme unless minimum results are in hand (in your case, A levels). Therefore, in June of 2014 you will still be ineligible, therefore if you apply during the 2013 application (if there is one) you will be rejected. Its a bummer, but you will have to wait until the autumn 2014 application, which will most likely be the last FPP intake.