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Hi all,
First post here. I happen to find myself in a complete mess and I cannot see a way out so was hoping you might have an idea as to what to do best.
After a two year's wait I have recently been hired by an airline. I believe it's fair to say, my contract is amazing, especially given the present economic climate we are in. My employer has paid for just anything, i.e. TR, hotels, rentals, etc. I consider myself very lucky to have been given this opportunity.
I started my journey nearly ten years ago and since then have worked my ass off, I really have. Before my flight training, I went to uni, got an aero eng degree as a back up or/and an additional qualification, self-funded my training, took flying jobs unpaid and poorly paid respectively, had numerous interviews, some went good, some bad, the list goes on and on. I believe it's fair to say I have done everything possible to put myself in the position to be given the job I have right now.
With regards to my training I would like to point out that the whole process was hard. I always had to fight. It was a long struggle. I never finished within minimum hours, it always took me a little longer. Yet, I got selected out of hundreds for my current job and for the job I had before this one I got selected out of nearly hundred. Objectively looking at it, I cannot be that bad.
That said, my supervision has been hell, literally hell. I cannot say I enjoy being examined on every flight (I never liked it and always knew it was going to be a great part of the job, particularly the qualifying period; I always loved flying and that so much that I was hoping with time I could just get used to the situation). Unfortunately, I cannot see that happening. Even worse, after the first few bad gradings came rolling in, my performance started to slip. It got worse and worse. A big problem is I find it hard to deal adequately and quickly with new situations (during descend), especially now that I am being examined all the time. Repeatedly, I get hung up on situations and keep forgetting to keep going. I know it's bad, but I think being supervised is part of the problem.
I cannot describe my SV to have been organized perfectly, as I have had long breaks between flights, winter OPS, a whole bunch of different TLCs, different starting bases. There has never really been the chance to develop some form of routine. Please do not get the impression I am trying to blame it on others but I am trying to find answers. Many of you might know what it's like when your brain starts messing with you, when it starts telling you might not be worth your keep. But that way of thinking makes things worse. A Catch-22. A viscous circle.
As the cherry on the cake, following my last flight I got grounded, as the company cannot see sufficienc progress and was told the powers to be are now in the process of deciding whether I am worth investing in any longer. A tea and biscuits get-together is soon due - needless to mention I find it hard to hide my excitement! Chances are I get shown the door, but maybe be given more sectors to improve. Needless to say, the pressure is massive to unbearable.
I am posting here to see if there are others among you, who have been in a similar situation and who managed to pull themselves out or maybe did not. As much as I love flying I cannot deny the little sucker in my head offering giving up. But that has never been an option for me and shall not now either. But I just do not know what to do?! How to improve, how to get over this?! I would like to know, how did you cope? Where are you now? What are you doing right now? Still flying? Given up altogether? I would love to hear from you as it might help me to find a way out of this. I always wanted to fly for a living but I would have never imagined to find it that hard. Please also PM if you do not want to go public.
Thanks a lot guys! Your help is greatly appreciated!
Safe flying.
First post here. I happen to find myself in a complete mess and I cannot see a way out so was hoping you might have an idea as to what to do best.
After a two year's wait I have recently been hired by an airline. I believe it's fair to say, my contract is amazing, especially given the present economic climate we are in. My employer has paid for just anything, i.e. TR, hotels, rentals, etc. I consider myself very lucky to have been given this opportunity.
I started my journey nearly ten years ago and since then have worked my ass off, I really have. Before my flight training, I went to uni, got an aero eng degree as a back up or/and an additional qualification, self-funded my training, took flying jobs unpaid and poorly paid respectively, had numerous interviews, some went good, some bad, the list goes on and on. I believe it's fair to say I have done everything possible to put myself in the position to be given the job I have right now.
With regards to my training I would like to point out that the whole process was hard. I always had to fight. It was a long struggle. I never finished within minimum hours, it always took me a little longer. Yet, I got selected out of hundreds for my current job and for the job I had before this one I got selected out of nearly hundred. Objectively looking at it, I cannot be that bad.
That said, my supervision has been hell, literally hell. I cannot say I enjoy being examined on every flight (I never liked it and always knew it was going to be a great part of the job, particularly the qualifying period; I always loved flying and that so much that I was hoping with time I could just get used to the situation). Unfortunately, I cannot see that happening. Even worse, after the first few bad gradings came rolling in, my performance started to slip. It got worse and worse. A big problem is I find it hard to deal adequately and quickly with new situations (during descend), especially now that I am being examined all the time. Repeatedly, I get hung up on situations and keep forgetting to keep going. I know it's bad, but I think being supervised is part of the problem.
I cannot describe my SV to have been organized perfectly, as I have had long breaks between flights, winter OPS, a whole bunch of different TLCs, different starting bases. There has never really been the chance to develop some form of routine. Please do not get the impression I am trying to blame it on others but I am trying to find answers. Many of you might know what it's like when your brain starts messing with you, when it starts telling you might not be worth your keep. But that way of thinking makes things worse. A Catch-22. A viscous circle.
As the cherry on the cake, following my last flight I got grounded, as the company cannot see sufficienc progress and was told the powers to be are now in the process of deciding whether I am worth investing in any longer. A tea and biscuits get-together is soon due - needless to mention I find it hard to hide my excitement! Chances are I get shown the door, but maybe be given more sectors to improve. Needless to say, the pressure is massive to unbearable.
I am posting here to see if there are others among you, who have been in a similar situation and who managed to pull themselves out or maybe did not. As much as I love flying I cannot deny the little sucker in my head offering giving up. But that has never been an option for me and shall not now either. But I just do not know what to do?! How to improve, how to get over this?! I would like to know, how did you cope? Where are you now? What are you doing right now? Still flying? Given up altogether? I would love to hear from you as it might help me to find a way out of this. I always wanted to fly for a living but I would have never imagined to find it that hard. Please also PM if you do not want to go public.
Thanks a lot guys! Your help is greatly appreciated!
Safe flying.
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Keep trying!
Hopefully, you get a week's break followed by some consistent line flying to get you up to speed. Fight your corner, and understand that you are likely good enough with some final investment by the company. They won't want to let you go at this stage.
Same instructor, same routes, allow you to cement a professional technique that you can build on and apply in many different situations through your career. Ask for some consistency to allow you to regain confidence and bed in some good habits.
Many of us have struggled and failed in this business. Checking and supervision is a continuous part of professional aviation, but it can be acceptable without undue stress. Just convince this lot to invest a bit more in you. Success may be round the next corner.
Same instructor, same routes, allow you to cement a professional technique that you can build on and apply in many different situations through your career. Ask for some consistency to allow you to regain confidence and bed in some good habits.
Many of us have struggled and failed in this business. Checking and supervision is a continuous part of professional aviation, but it can be acceptable without undue stress. Just convince this lot to invest a bit more in you. Success may be round the next corner.
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Agree with what Royhudd says,
In addition i would say use every spare second you have to study your companies SOPs, and mentally armchair fly as much as possible - even better if you have a decent mock up to sit in. Focus on your weak points.
Things can change for you very fast, one or two decent flights and you can get back on track....never give up!!
In addition i would say use every spare second you have to study your companies SOPs, and mentally armchair fly as much as possible - even better if you have a decent mock up to sit in. Focus on your weak points.
Things can change for you very fast, one or two decent flights and you can get back on track....never give up!!
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Hi key seeker
First of all, sorry to hear the sh*t you are in now. Secondly, when i've read your post, i thought: "hey, that's me few years ago" (except the grounding thing). Really i also had to work hard, never got anything as a present, always had to prove my self etc. And yes i really suffered from line training. Straight from single engine prop to jet was pure hell for me. Not to mention the line training capt who was an ex-military.
I don't know the amount of days anymore where i said that i was going to quit the job.
But i've never quit. I always was repeating my sop's, studying and even making exercises on the microsoft flightsim. If you are feeling uncomfortable with a certain line training capt, ask for someone else. This really can make the difference. I flew with captains who really were patient with me, and that gave me a boost of trust, confidence and was feeling confident with the aircraft. It is really, but really important that you show them that you are fighting, working like hell and be very critical for yourself.
Last suggestion: fast dealing with new situations is not easy. Especially when you are new in the job. It all comes with experience. What i did/do, i use(d) a chewing gum, it helps me to canalize the stress
. Try that one.
Don't give up
First of all, sorry to hear the sh*t you are in now. Secondly, when i've read your post, i thought: "hey, that's me few years ago" (except the grounding thing). Really i also had to work hard, never got anything as a present, always had to prove my self etc. And yes i really suffered from line training. Straight from single engine prop to jet was pure hell for me. Not to mention the line training capt who was an ex-military.
I don't know the amount of days anymore where i said that i was going to quit the job.
But i've never quit. I always was repeating my sop's, studying and even making exercises on the microsoft flightsim. If you are feeling uncomfortable with a certain line training capt, ask for someone else. This really can make the difference. I flew with captains who really were patient with me, and that gave me a boost of trust, confidence and was feeling confident with the aircraft. It is really, but really important that you show them that you are fighting, working like hell and be very critical for yourself.
Last suggestion: fast dealing with new situations is not easy. Especially when you are new in the job. It all comes with experience. What i did/do, i use(d) a chewing gum, it helps me to canalize the stress
. Try that one.Don't give up
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Sit in your armchair at home and visualise you are on the flight deck, run through your callouts and point into space at where the appropriate switches would be. You should be able to find any switch or control without thinking about it.
Buy yourself a little notebook, get out your SOP's and write down a step by step guide to a normal flight. This will help you learn what comes next, nobody will mind you referring to these notes during quiet moments in flight.
While you're in the cruise use the same note book to write down info your trainer gives you, and review this when you get home (or to your hotel room) and before your next flight. Not only will this help you remember things that you will quickly forget (due to the amount of information you are trying to absorb whilst being maxed out) but it will also demonstrate that you are making an effort to learn the ropes, I think most trainers will get irritated quickly if they find themselves going over the same old thing after 3-4 flights, especially if its a simple or straightforward task.
From the moment you clock in for your flight, you should have a little voice in your head constantly repeating "What comes next, what comes next, what comes next". If you find yourself doing nothing, then you have ether forgotten to do something or should be reviewing something such as your descent profile, Time/Distance to go, approach and airfield plates, Wx or fuel checks etc.
Forget about how good you thought you were/are, you're only as good as your last flight. If you did bad, go home, be self critical, be constructive, pick yourself up and don't make the same mistakes again.
Every flight is a fresh opportunity to get it right.
Use your training Captains time to good use, if you are sat there not sure what you should be doing or unsure, just ask him something like "What could I do to get ahead?", "Would you do it this way?" or "Im thinking of doing it like this, do you think this is the best way?"
Always be proactive, not reactive.
Know how far you need to descend and slow down in the type of aircraft you are flying.
Dont labour or waste time on irrelevant things. Example, on a Approach/Departure briefing, state the salient points, what you're expecting, what you' re going to do and what you expect the other pilot to do. Dont give a lifestory its boring, people switch off and its an annoying waste of time which you can use to prepare for other things instead.
On the flightdeck, bull**** doesn't baffle brains it just makes you look unprepared. If you dont know something, be honest and question yourself why you didnt know it.
If you make a mistake, put it behind you and talk about it on the ground.
Never give up.
Buy yourself a little notebook, get out your SOP's and write down a step by step guide to a normal flight. This will help you learn what comes next, nobody will mind you referring to these notes during quiet moments in flight.
While you're in the cruise use the same note book to write down info your trainer gives you, and review this when you get home (or to your hotel room) and before your next flight. Not only will this help you remember things that you will quickly forget (due to the amount of information you are trying to absorb whilst being maxed out) but it will also demonstrate that you are making an effort to learn the ropes, I think most trainers will get irritated quickly if they find themselves going over the same old thing after 3-4 flights, especially if its a simple or straightforward task.
From the moment you clock in for your flight, you should have a little voice in your head constantly repeating "What comes next, what comes next, what comes next". If you find yourself doing nothing, then you have ether forgotten to do something or should be reviewing something such as your descent profile, Time/Distance to go, approach and airfield plates, Wx or fuel checks etc.
Forget about how good you thought you were/are, you're only as good as your last flight. If you did bad, go home, be self critical, be constructive, pick yourself up and don't make the same mistakes again.
Every flight is a fresh opportunity to get it right.
Use your training Captains time to good use, if you are sat there not sure what you should be doing or unsure, just ask him something like "What could I do to get ahead?", "Would you do it this way?" or "Im thinking of doing it like this, do you think this is the best way?"
Always be proactive, not reactive.
Know how far you need to descend and slow down in the type of aircraft you are flying.
Dont labour or waste time on irrelevant things. Example, on a Approach/Departure briefing, state the salient points, what you're expecting, what you' re going to do and what you expect the other pilot to do. Dont give a lifestory its boring, people switch off and its an annoying waste of time which you can use to prepare for other things instead.
On the flightdeck, bull**** doesn't baffle brains it just makes you look unprepared. If you dont know something, be honest and question yourself why you didnt know it.
If you make a mistake, put it behind you and talk about it on the ground.
Never give up.
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Take a step back... you've passed the type rating so proven you've got what it takes. Don't let the plane get on top of you - forget the junk you don't need and get back to basics - aviate, navigate, communicate. 3 times tables for the profile in the descent and you'll never go wrong. Configure the plane early during line training to give yourself time. Most importantly...relax if you can...it'll show in your flying.
Good luck...we've all been there
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How far off the mark are you? The reason I ask is that I have had the misfortune (and still do at times) of putting up with people who have struggled through line training and never properly made it out of the end, despite passing. The best that these people can manage is career First Officer and the best thing that can be said about them is that take the focus of the check and training people off the people who are marginally better. With one guy, I am convinced the fire axe is installed on my side so I can take out the annoying little knob if ever there is a real problem.
If you are one or two flights out, then this is "just one of those things" but if you are 100% out, like you are at 80 flights and not ready for a line check, look for another job. Really. Flying is a job for dummies and maybe you are too clever. Or maybe you haven't learnt to leave your mistakes behind. Your ambition should initially be to be totally average. For that you can read standard. No heroics. To get there easily you have to be ahead of the job in hand.
All of the posters above have given you "Top Tips." May I add some more? Firstly, don't take any foul-ups into the next phase of a flight. Next, think about what is going to happen next. Going into the Crew Room, you'll be briefing. After briefing you be going to the plane. And so on. Where you don't want is to be is still at cruise level 20 miles after TOD without a good reason which will have been pre-briefed (and considered) 20 miles before TOD, like six minutes perviously!
Chill and take it easy.
If you are one or two flights out, then this is "just one of those things" but if you are 100% out, like you are at 80 flights and not ready for a line check, look for another job. Really. Flying is a job for dummies and maybe you are too clever. Or maybe you haven't learnt to leave your mistakes behind. Your ambition should initially be to be totally average. For that you can read standard. No heroics. To get there easily you have to be ahead of the job in hand.
All of the posters above have given you "Top Tips." May I add some more? Firstly, don't take any foul-ups into the next phase of a flight. Next, think about what is going to happen next. Going into the Crew Room, you'll be briefing. After briefing you be going to the plane. And so on. Where you don't want is to be is still at cruise level 20 miles after TOD without a good reason which will have been pre-briefed (and considered) 20 miles before TOD, like six minutes perviously!
Chill and take it easy.
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Try getting some (more?) Jump-seat flights as Observer...............
Many airlines use this as a (pre-) line training tool and it WORKS! That way you're not directly involved in the flight but can see what's going on, can anticipate "what comes next" and compare it to your own operation. You MIGHT also see, things you don't like so much............... bad CRM, slack procedures, etc, but it all goes into the Experience Bank and will help you progress.
Best of luck; as others have said, DON'T give up, try work it out with the Training Dept, maybe with some suggestions as have been made...........
Many airlines use this as a (pre-) line training tool and it WORKS! That way you're not directly involved in the flight but can see what's going on, can anticipate "what comes next" and compare it to your own operation. You MIGHT also see, things you don't like so much............... bad CRM, slack procedures, etc, but it all goes into the Experience Bank and will help you progress.
Best of luck; as others have said, DON'T give up, try work it out with the Training Dept, maybe with some suggestions as have been made...........
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A cadet who started with me on the A320 nearly got sacked after struggling badly. A very good training captain took him on and did I think a weeks flying with him. Having the same instructor training him made it 'click' and he hasn't looked back. I think he know works for Air France.
Good luck.
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Just one step along a long path.........
Several good suggestions have already been made. I especially like Newgen Jock’s proposition that you fly in the jump seat as an observer. Not having the pressure to perform will allow you to absorb much valuable information.
One of the struggles with the initial check out is the sheer volume of material that must be mastered; new airplane, new company and a new job are a daunting task. This is compounded by your apparently limited previous experience (through no fault of your own).
Hopefully the company will decide to continue investing in you. Try to be confident and upbeat, thank them for the training you have already received, listen very carefully to everything they say. I would strongly recommend that you not be defensive or argumentative. When the time comes you may suggest a series of observation flights. The instructor and/or check pilot can make or break the situation for you. Unfortunately some of the process is subjective. Years ago an acquaintance of mine was unmercifully shown the door at a regional airline. Today he is a successful pilot at a large international carrier. Most of us experience several hard experiences during the course of our careers.
In today’s economic climate carriers can afford to be extremely picky. Sometimes the criteria may not be objective but political. Over such things you have little if any control. All you can do is your best and seek to improve continually. For whatever reason if this flying job does not work out IT IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. Decades ago a colleague made a series of poor choices and likely ruined their aviation career. In desperation they ended their own life. I am not suggesting you are that distressed. I recommend that you keep this situation in perspective. Do the best you can let the chips fall where they may.
One of the struggles with the initial check out is the sheer volume of material that must be mastered; new airplane, new company and a new job are a daunting task. This is compounded by your apparently limited previous experience (through no fault of your own).
Hopefully the company will decide to continue investing in you. Try to be confident and upbeat, thank them for the training you have already received, listen very carefully to everything they say. I would strongly recommend that you not be defensive or argumentative. When the time comes you may suggest a series of observation flights. The instructor and/or check pilot can make or break the situation for you. Unfortunately some of the process is subjective. Years ago an acquaintance of mine was unmercifully shown the door at a regional airline. Today he is a successful pilot at a large international carrier. Most of us experience several hard experiences during the course of our careers.
In today’s economic climate carriers can afford to be extremely picky. Sometimes the criteria may not be objective but political. Over such things you have little if any control. All you can do is your best and seek to improve continually. For whatever reason if this flying job does not work out IT IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. Decades ago a colleague made a series of poor choices and likely ruined their aviation career. In desperation they ended their own life. I am not suggesting you are that distressed. I recommend that you keep this situation in perspective. Do the best you can let the chips fall where they may.
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There is some really good advice here and I can't really add to that. My only comment would be to ensure that you remain positive, do not give up and do not give the slightest hint to your employer that you are thinking of quitting. There are times when a positive attitude will get you a long way. It once saved my job when all of those around me had given up.
Stress has a large part in performance reduction.
My main stressor is thinking that I don't know something well enough. Detailed preparation sorts this out. If you go in to a flight or exam with confidence your performance is likely to improve. When I was doing IR, I broke down the whole flight in to sections and made sure that I knew the keypoints to pass that section. Anything in addition was a bonus. IMPORTANT.IF you get something wrong don't beat yourself up about it at the time, forget it and move on. You cant change it. Recognise the problem...talk about it later and improve by not making the same mistake again. Keep it simple...the airline backed you with a job...back yourself and you can keep it! DO NOT GIVE UP!
Best of luck from an older bloke who hasn't got as far as you have!
Stress has a large part in performance reduction.
My main stressor is thinking that I don't know something well enough. Detailed preparation sorts this out. If you go in to a flight or exam with confidence your performance is likely to improve. When I was doing IR, I broke down the whole flight in to sections and made sure that I knew the keypoints to pass that section. Anything in addition was a bonus. IMPORTANT.IF you get something wrong don't beat yourself up about it at the time, forget it and move on. You cant change it. Recognise the problem...talk about it later and improve by not making the same mistake again. Keep it simple...the airline backed you with a job...back yourself and you can keep it! DO NOT GIVE UP!
Best of luck from an older bloke who hasn't got as far as you have!
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yeah you are so close to that what you have been working the last then 10 years. review all the necessary stuff and always keep in mind whats coming next.
be strong man!!! think about where you are right now and how far you have done it.
when will you fly again?
be strong man!!! think about where you are right now and how far you have done it.
when will you fly again?
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so, how's it gone since you started the thread? Some extremely good advice here. Mercenary Pilot and others have described a lot of the things I did in order to get ahead of the game during my line training which I found really helped.
- sitting down and debriefing all flights to myself, noting anything down on paper/pc so I can review it in future and learn the point / not make the same mistake again or ask the LTC (or other copilots) about it on the ground
- using any spare time in the air on thinking ahead to the next phase, how it'll be done, what preparation etc. Then the 'changing situations' you mention aren't such a big 'change'
- chair-flying beforehand (and afterwards). If you do this properly you will probably come up with some questions that you would have come up with when flying. Saying to the LTC "I was walking through XX phase last night and it made me think about YY, can you clarify for me?" or whatever shows clearly that you are putting work in your own time and taking it all very seriously, not hiding from the difficulties the minute you get out of work (which I'm not saying you are doing)
- being open with the LTCs about what you want to learn
I really hope it works out for you. All the best. BM
- sitting down and debriefing all flights to myself, noting anything down on paper/pc so I can review it in future and learn the point / not make the same mistake again or ask the LTC (or other copilots) about it on the ground
- using any spare time in the air on thinking ahead to the next phase, how it'll be done, what preparation etc. Then the 'changing situations' you mention aren't such a big 'change'
- chair-flying beforehand (and afterwards). If you do this properly you will probably come up with some questions that you would have come up with when flying. Saying to the LTC "I was walking through XX phase last night and it made me think about YY, can you clarify for me?" or whatever shows clearly that you are putting work in your own time and taking it all very seriously, not hiding from the difficulties the minute you get out of work (which I'm not saying you are doing)
- being open with the LTCs about what you want to learn
I really hope it works out for you. All the best. BM
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Dear Colleagues,
First off, thanks so much all for your each advice given, be it PM or public! It really means a lot to me and there is a whole lot of good stuff you have come up with. Also, it was very reassuring to know that there are other, and not very few, people, like me, having had to deal and overcome similar difficulties.
Now, I would really like to state in detail as to how my training has been but I would like to remain anonymous so have to keep it fairly vague. Also, I would like to stay loyal to my employer and I could imagine they would not appreciate reading internal matters on a public forum.
Well, I could imagine, since also some of you have said so, you would like to know what has happened since I started this thread.
After a fortnight's break I was given a final day of flying the other day and, not unsurprisingly, failed it. So I am out. the pressure on the day was nearly impossible to cope with. And I just cannot help it but the whole day did not feel like they wanted to get me back on track. The unimaginable has occured and needless to say I am totally devastated now. So close and yet so far.
I can see their points. Yet I truly believe, if, as has been said on here by most of you, a different approach had been taken, it might have led to success. Honestly speaking though, I had found my self-esteem at an all-time low at last and it would have been an enormous challenge.
The good news is, I will not be held liable to any of the cost incurred. On the other hand this raises the question why they have not attempted to take a different approach in getting me online?
What I would like to know now is what would those old hands of you recommend I should do? I hold a current JAR-25 rating now but not a whole lot of hours and a failed SV. And the biggest question is, how do I sell it to prospective employers? I am a huge fan of honesty but honesty is not always your best bet, particularly not in this game...
Again, thanks so much for all your thoughts!
First off, thanks so much all for your each advice given, be it PM or public! It really means a lot to me and there is a whole lot of good stuff you have come up with. Also, it was very reassuring to know that there are other, and not very few, people, like me, having had to deal and overcome similar difficulties.
Now, I would really like to state in detail as to how my training has been but I would like to remain anonymous so have to keep it fairly vague. Also, I would like to stay loyal to my employer and I could imagine they would not appreciate reading internal matters on a public forum.
Well, I could imagine, since also some of you have said so, you would like to know what has happened since I started this thread.
After a fortnight's break I was given a final day of flying the other day and, not unsurprisingly, failed it. So I am out. the pressure on the day was nearly impossible to cope with. And I just cannot help it but the whole day did not feel like they wanted to get me back on track. The unimaginable has occured and needless to say I am totally devastated now. So close and yet so far.
I can see their points. Yet I truly believe, if, as has been said on here by most of you, a different approach had been taken, it might have led to success. Honestly speaking though, I had found my self-esteem at an all-time low at last and it would have been an enormous challenge.
The good news is, I will not be held liable to any of the cost incurred. On the other hand this raises the question why they have not attempted to take a different approach in getting me online?
What I would like to know now is what would those old hands of you recommend I should do? I hold a current JAR-25 rating now but not a whole lot of hours and a failed SV. And the biggest question is, how do I sell it to prospective employers? I am a huge fan of honesty but honesty is not always your best bet, particularly not in this game...
Again, thanks so much for all your thoughts!
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Key Seeker, been there and done that in 2 countries. You can analyse it until the cows come home but it won't change the outcome. However, you can spend the rest of your life looking backwards and never see the opportunities ahead.
So. Regroup and rethink. Be as objective as possible as to where you fell down. Blaming the company is counter productive and won't help.
See if there's any where possible to sort out the issue. Flying a piston with an instructor to regain some confidence. Only you know what you need.
Yes be honest. It's a small world and liars are eventually found out. Look for a job that isn't quite as demanding. (Not knowing what type you were on I can't say exactly what to look for). Don't be in a rush to "get back at your old company". Move on.
It worked for me. (jet captain)
So. Regroup and rethink. Be as objective as possible as to where you fell down. Blaming the company is counter productive and won't help.
See if there's any where possible to sort out the issue. Flying a piston with an instructor to regain some confidence. Only you know what you need.
Yes be honest. It's a small world and liars are eventually found out. Look for a job that isn't quite as demanding. (Not knowing what type you were on I can't say exactly what to look for). Don't be in a rush to "get back at your old company". Move on.
It worked for me. (jet captain)
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Don't give up! I was in the same shoes as you are, didn't even make it through the TR at a major airline. Four months later, I got hired by a bizjet company.
Give yourself some time before re-sending applications; things will get into perspective after awhile. Good luck to you!
Give yourself some time before re-sending applications; things will get into perspective after awhile. Good luck to you!
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Sorry to hear it didn't happen for you Keyseeker, all you can do is say "thank you for the opportunity", take everything you have learnt and move on.
It's not the end of the world, although it probably feels like it at the moment. I personally know a couple pilots who have bounced back from this kind of thing in the past. Try to analyse where it went wrong and come up with a new plan, Redsnail's advice is spot on. Everybody learns at different rates, it doesn't make you a bad pilot.
It's not the end of the world, although it probably feels like it at the moment. I personally know a couple pilots who have bounced back from this kind of thing in the past. Try to analyse where it went wrong and come up with a new plan, Redsnail's advice is spot on. Everybody learns at different rates, it doesn't make you a bad pilot.
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Sorry to hear about your situation. Can happen to any of us
i know how hard it to go without a job .
In the meantime keep applying .
Best of luck
Sorry to hear about your situation. Can happen to any of us
i know how hard it to go without a job .
In the meantime keep applying .
Best of luck
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@keyseeker
really sorry to hear that mate, terrible luck and it doesn't sound like the company provided the ideal learning environment for you so try not to take it all on your own shoulders.
I'm no 'old-hand' but would say that I hope the good advice of these other guys & girls will see you through to your goal in the end. Best of luck. BM
really sorry to hear that mate, terrible luck and it doesn't sound like the company provided the ideal learning environment for you so try not to take it all on your own shoulders.
I'm no 'old-hand' but would say that I hope the good advice of these other guys & girls will see you through to your goal in the end. Best of luck. BM