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Hi,
Is there anyone who knows something about www. a320typerating.com
They offer A320 Type Rating + Line training in England.
What are your experiences with them.
Regards/W
Is there anyone who knows something about www. a320typerating.com
They offer A320 Type Rating + Line training in England.
What are your experiences with them.
Regards/W
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nenad5 - So you think it is good to P2F? 
I rather get paid to fly!
How can you get a job with a TR? What TR?
F50
A320
B737
B757
So you buy a TR and you buy line training, and then you want to call yourself a professional pilot?
Look up the definition of professional!
Somebody who actually gets PAID to do a job, not someone WHO PAYS to work - he who pays, is the dreamer!
I might be a dreamer, but I will most definitely not pay to dream!
It seems 2 swedes here needs a doctor!
I rather get paid to fly!
How can you get a job with a TR? What TR?
F50
A320
B737
B757
So you buy a TR and you buy line training, and then you want to call yourself a professional pilot?
Look up the definition of professional!
Somebody who actually gets PAID to do a job, not someone WHO PAYS to work - he who pays, is the dreamer!
I might be a dreamer, but I will most definitely not pay to dream!
It seems 2 swedes here needs a doctor!
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Thanks for reply!
I agree completely with you, and I don't think it is OK to P2F, but at the age of 38 what options do I have? Just to sit and wait until I'm 45 and then suddenly turn over, airline business starts to go fine, but not for me I'm too old...
I didn't make decision yet, I am just collecting information. Maybe at the end with all information I have , I will come to the point to say to myself, no it's not worth it.
But knowing myself I will fight for my dreams and I want to see my dream comes true!
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IF YOU CAN'T FIGHT THEM, JOIN THEM!
/Nenad
!I agree completely with you, and I don't think it is OK to P2F, but at the age of 38 what options do I have? Just to sit and wait until I'm 45 and then suddenly turn over, airline business starts to go fine, but not for me I'm too old...
I didn't make decision yet, I am just collecting information. Maybe at the end with all information I have , I will come to the point to say to myself, no it's not worth it.
But knowing myself I will fight for my dreams and I want to see my dream comes true!
P.S.
IF YOU CAN'T FIGHT THEM, JOIN THEM!
/Nenad
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Yes, you have a valid point.
At age 38, should you delay gaining hours on type, how can you possibly hope to attract employment in the future?
Armed with 500 + hours on type, now aged 40, as the upturn happens you are 'back on profile' as opposed to sending countless applications with a PA28 rating and a few circuits to boast.
The A320 rating is a much 'sought after dignity'. I reckon you have no choice but to do it. If you don't P2F you may as well use your licence as a beer mat. Okay its going to cost some money but, aged 38, how long can you put your career on hold without making yourself unemployable?
Go for it before it's too late.. All that work will have been for nothing!
At age 38, should you delay gaining hours on type, how can you possibly hope to attract employment in the future?
Armed with 500 + hours on type, now aged 40, as the upturn happens you are 'back on profile' as opposed to sending countless applications with a PA28 rating and a few circuits to boast.
The A320 rating is a much 'sought after dignity'. I reckon you have no choice but to do it. If you don't P2F you may as well use your licence as a beer mat. Okay its going to cost some money but, aged 38, how long can you put your career on hold without making yourself unemployable?
Go for it before it's too late.. All that work will have been for nothing!
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I totally agree with the above, in that i hate so called professionals paying to fly, but sadly there are so many doing it now and with the fact that you jobs are requiring 500 on type what option is left? None.
I fly as captain on business jets over 3000 hours and 1500 hours pic on jets all over the world but counts for nothing, because i dont have 500 on type, nothing. Also companies want 27 tonnes or heavy, if you fly jets lighter than this then dont bother just fly a TP to get the weight, but then again why bother ? Go stright to the jet planes 737 or 320 and save your self the headache going from TP to JET and then getting 500 on type
I hate to think it but must admit if you have the money then yes go and pay to fly. Why wait and get older. i now realize i would have do the same now
met 4 Sweeds in Romainia only last weekend, have just finished the summer season in Europe paying to fly, and have already paid up front for next year told they need to pay to secure seat. I can not believe this is used as marketing tool, but they are even talking to me thinking of paying for command pic with same company.
They worry because they want to stay current and sim and fly within the last 6 months, so payed up front.
I cannot get the money and remain with same hours and no job flying and yes getting older, but where you get all this money from is truely amazing.
I wish everyone well, and happy flying but this is a mad mad career to be a pilot and pay so much money every year in order to stay current and in practice.
I think they have money growing on trees in Sweden.
Mr Mutra
Soon to go home and drive a truck.
I fly as captain on business jets over 3000 hours and 1500 hours pic on jets all over the world but counts for nothing, because i dont have 500 on type, nothing. Also companies want 27 tonnes or heavy, if you fly jets lighter than this then dont bother just fly a TP to get the weight, but then again why bother ? Go stright to the jet planes 737 or 320 and save your self the headache going from TP to JET and then getting 500 on type
I hate to think it but must admit if you have the money then yes go and pay to fly. Why wait and get older. i now realize i would have do the same now
met 4 Sweeds in Romainia only last weekend, have just finished the summer season in Europe paying to fly, and have already paid up front for next year told they need to pay to secure seat. I can not believe this is used as marketing tool, but they are even talking to me thinking of paying for command pic with same company.
They worry because they want to stay current and sim and fly within the last 6 months, so payed up front.I cannot get the money and remain with same hours and no job flying and yes getting older, but where you get all this money from is truely amazing.
I wish everyone well, and happy flying but this is a mad mad career to be a pilot and pay so much money every year in order to stay current and in practice.
I think they have money growing on trees in Sweden.
Mr Mutra
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Without wishing to get into the wrongs and rights of the P2F schemes, the original poster wanted to know about other peoples experience of the J. Curd A320 scheme.
I have no personal experience of this scheme but there were a couple of blokes posting about this scheme a while back, who did attend the course and were very happy with the result and I believe that they are now flying for EZY.
One of them posted under the name EpsilonVaz and the other used the name kangy. I would suggest that nenad5 sends a PM to these two and find out what they thought of it.
I have no personal experience of this scheme but there were a couple of blokes posting about this scheme a while back, who did attend the course and were very happy with the result and I believe that they are now flying for EZY.
One of them posted under the name EpsilonVaz and the other used the name kangy. I would suggest that nenad5 sends a PM to these two and find out what they thought of it.
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Yes seems to work out great for some, if you dont get kept on with an airline, you just pay for another 500 hours, seems like a great career choice.
Facts are, some companies only hire low hour FO's because they do NOT want experienced FO's with rating, it is a part of the companies business profile.
Then the companies who hire experienced FO's seem to have more than enough high hour experienced crews to pick from. So for me it seems if you do these P2F schemes, you might end up in the middle of nothing!
Where is the logic, why should a company start paying you to keep you on, when they can get the next idiot in the que ready to pay to get your space! Seems some pilots can't even see logic, I think those 14 ATPL exams does do something to dumbify their brain!
Facts are, some companies only hire low hour FO's because they do NOT want experienced FO's with rating, it is a part of the companies business profile.
Then the companies who hire experienced FO's seem to have more than enough high hour experienced crews to pick from. So for me it seems if you do these P2F schemes, you might end up in the middle of nothing!
Where is the logic, why should a company start paying you to keep you on, when they can get the next idiot in the que ready to pay to get your space! Seems some pilots can't even see logic, I think those 14 ATPL exams does do something to dumbify their brain!
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Wader,
What's your hurry? I got my first job on a medium jet with 300hrs aged 41. By that reckoning, if you're reasonably competent, you just need to hold your nerve , don't panic, sit tight and keep applying and creating real opportunities. If the Middle East carrier situation is a bubble then you saved yourself huge wads of cash because if it bursts many of us are finished in this game. If it isn't then the future is bright.
What's your hurry? I got my first job on a medium jet with 300hrs aged 41. By that reckoning, if you're reasonably competent, you just need to hold your nerve , don't panic, sit tight and keep applying and creating real opportunities. If the Middle East carrier situation is a bubble then you saved yourself huge wads of cash because if it bursts many of us are finished in this game. If it isn't then the future is bright.
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First just to clarify one thing nenad5 and wader72, that's me. I apologize for that. I had a problem with nenad5 account so i quickly registered with new account Wader 72.
To Splendid Cruiser: You described it very well. With 400h TT and 38 years I am trying not to panic,sitting tight and keep applying and creating real opportunities. But at the same time I realize that time goes really fast. I was ready with my CPL/IR/ME/MCC for almost 1-1.5 year ago and since than I am in pursuit of a job, but without any success. And as someone already said I feel that I need to take decision very soon.
My initial question was actually as londoncalling2009 and magicmick described. I want to know if someone has experience with J. Curd A320 scheme. I will try to contact EpsilonVaz and kangy as magicmick suggested.
Thanks to You all and Good luck!
/Nenad
To Splendid Cruiser: You described it very well. With 400h TT and 38 years I am trying not to panic,sitting tight and keep applying and creating real opportunities. But at the same time I realize that time goes really fast. I was ready with my CPL/IR/ME/MCC for almost 1-1.5 year ago and since than I am in pursuit of a job, but without any success. And as someone already said I feel that I need to take decision very soon.
My initial question was actually as londoncalling2009 and magicmick described. I want to know if someone has experience with J. Curd A320 scheme. I will try to contact EpsilonVaz and kangy as magicmick suggested.
Thanks to You all and Good luck!
/Nenad
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Just a couple of things worth considering before commiting to the course, both kangy and EsilonVaz went through the J. Curd course when the type rating and line flying were done with Easyjet, this is no longer the case. I believe that the course now uses BMI for rating and line flying, as far as I know (please correct me if I'm wrong) BMI have not employed any of the pilots that have been with them on this course, however some of them have had interviews with other operators (Wizz etc) but I don't know how they got on.
The other consideration is that while the cost of line flying is not subject to UK VAT, the cost of the type rating is whacked with UK VAT. In January 2011 UK VAT will increase from 17.5% to 20%, this won't have much impact on a £10 toaster from a supermarket it will have a fair old impact on a £20k+ type rating. If you have the money and you're in a postion to move quickly then you might be able to save a decent wad of cash.
I sincerely wish you the best of luck with whatever you choose to do and if you do choose to take the plunge then perhaps you'd consider a blog on these pages with your opinions as you go through.
Cheers
MM
The other consideration is that while the cost of line flying is not subject to UK VAT, the cost of the type rating is whacked with UK VAT. In January 2011 UK VAT will increase from 17.5% to 20%, this won't have much impact on a £10 toaster from a supermarket it will have a fair old impact on a £20k+ type rating. If you have the money and you're in a postion to move quickly then you might be able to save a decent wad of cash.
I sincerely wish you the best of luck with whatever you choose to do and if you do choose to take the plunge then perhaps you'd consider a blog on these pages with your opinions as you go through.
Cheers
MM
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Extract from a recently recieved email from a320training:
I dont know how true it is or what the opportunities are, maybe one of the significant number could expand on this for us..
We have just facilitated the placement of a significant number of trainees that went through the system last year, they all chose the bmi route and this has proven a very wise move. Not only have they gained from high quality training with us and bmi but this has opened certain opportunities for them.
If you would like to join them and Fast Track your career then contact us now as we have further places on the bmi programme throughout the coming months.
If you would like to join them and Fast Track your career then contact us now as we have further places on the bmi programme throughout the coming months.
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The other consideration is that while the cost of line flying is not subject to UK VAT, the cost of the type rating is whacked with UK VAT. In January 2011 UK VAT will increase from 17.5% to 20%, this won't have much impact on a £10 toaster from a supermarket it will have a fair old impact on a £20k+ type rating. If you have the money and you're in a postion to move quickly then you might be able to save a decent wad of cash.
I sincerely wish you the best of luck with whatever you choose to do and if you do choose to take the plunge then perhaps you'd consider a blog on these pages with your opinions as you go through.
Cheers
MM
I sincerely wish you the best of luck with whatever you choose to do and if you do choose to take the plunge then perhaps you'd consider a blog on these pages with your opinions as you go through.
Cheers
MM
Cheers to all!
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right mutra
I agree with you mutra, I also have more than 5000 hours on Jets, 5 type ratings . but if you dont have the 500 on type A320 or 737 ng Today , in my opinion then theres no hope. Its so sad to pay for type and line, but its what these horrible days require. I am sick of this career and its frustrating me, pay to fly.
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Whitecross...I totally agree and am also hugely frustrated (read disgusted) by the current industry and motivation towards PTF...
I am not sold at all on the assumptions made here. Some people really need to pull back a little and assess the bigger picture. If we argue that you have already gained your fATPL, then you have undoubtedly already dropped £25-30K min. And now you want to spend another £30-35K (min again - I believe the course quoted here is £37=38K) based on the possibility that you might get hired once you have your line experience????
That, my friends, is one hell of a gamble with a hell of a lot of money. If you have any kind of life (and indeed family - wife, kids etc) then you really need to have a hard think. Likewise if you are over 30 and therefore don't have so much time to clear your debt (as opposed to a young 20 something).
I am late thirties, fATPL with >1000 hrs experience and have been hanging on for over 2 years. I haven't ever really considered PTF - I have too much more going on in my life to burden myself with another £30K of debt with no guarantees. I owe it to my family and my future not to do this. I would rather develop my career in other directions outside of aviation (and a sad day it would be for me) instead of embroiling myself in yet more debt, stress and worry.
I hope that truly does not happen to me and I have some opportunities yet. Please don't think I am judging others - its your call whatever you do. Its just so easy to get tunnel vision above everything else with this "must fly, will fly" mindset.
I am not sold at all on the assumptions made here. Some people really need to pull back a little and assess the bigger picture. If we argue that you have already gained your fATPL, then you have undoubtedly already dropped £25-30K min. And now you want to spend another £30-35K (min again - I believe the course quoted here is £37=38K) based on the possibility that you might get hired once you have your line experience????
That, my friends, is one hell of a gamble with a hell of a lot of money. If you have any kind of life (and indeed family - wife, kids etc) then you really need to have a hard think. Likewise if you are over 30 and therefore don't have so much time to clear your debt (as opposed to a young 20 something).
I am late thirties, fATPL with >1000 hrs experience and have been hanging on for over 2 years. I haven't ever really considered PTF - I have too much more going on in my life to burden myself with another £30K of debt with no guarantees. I owe it to my family and my future not to do this. I would rather develop my career in other directions outside of aviation (and a sad day it would be for me) instead of embroiling myself in yet more debt, stress and worry.
I hope that truly does not happen to me and I have some opportunities yet. Please don't think I am judging others - its your call whatever you do. Its just so easy to get tunnel vision above everything else with this "must fly, will fly" mindset.
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A brief search on Jonathan Curd will reveal that he is not very respected. I am informed that the scheme he ran at EZ was binned due to the poor manner in which it was delivered and the quality of some of those he allowed through his selection. Apparently the selection was made on the financial ability and not a lot else.
The scheme then moved to BMi. His wife works there, go figure the rest.
Personally, if I had the money I wouldn't be feathering this despicable little mans pockets. He is a money grabber and a short search on the internet will reveal more.
As for P2F - its simply wrong, but aviation is not the only industry now running Pay to Work schemes - the London Metropolitan police are investigating a similar scheme and I believe many other industries are looking into the possibilities.
A worrying trend? Definitely.
The scheme then moved to BMi. His wife works there, go figure the rest.
Personally, if I had the money I wouldn't be feathering this despicable little mans pockets. He is a money grabber and a short search on the internet will reveal more.
As for P2F - its simply wrong, but aviation is not the only industry now running Pay to Work schemes - the London Metropolitan police are investigating a similar scheme and I believe many other industries are looking into the possibilities.
A worrying trend? Definitely.
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The rush by those with little or no experience has been helped along by greedy operators, it really is here to stay. I read panameurope are now running a scheme and also heard other ME carriers are looking into it and have slowed down on the intake in prep to introduce such scheme.
Would you believe it Aeroflot are trying it on now. They only recruit Russian nations anyway, but these are ones who have little money anyway, but are now running PTF scheme.
These companies do it because they can because people are paying. So no end in sight unless you stop paying.
Now I head again another rumour that R J Academy in DXB not paying money to instructors. Anyone paying out over 30k for a rating and line training needs to be so careful when you hand over that amount.
Good luck to you all.
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Would you believe it Aeroflot are trying it on now. They only recruit Russian nations anyway, but these are ones who have little money anyway, but are now running PTF scheme.
These companies do it because they can because people are paying. So no end in sight unless you stop paying.
Now I head again another rumour that R J Academy in DXB not paying money to instructors. Anyone paying out over 30k for a rating and line training needs to be so careful when you hand over that amount.
Good luck to you all.
Mr M