Maximum age for cadet program Ryanair/Easyjet

[grogalong]

Hi,
Does anyone have any idea of the maximum age you can have and still be accepted on the cadet program for a company like Ryanair or Easyjet? They don't mention this in the list of requirements.

I'm a bit of a late starter

Thanks

grogalong

[Pilot Chris]

I don't believe there is a maximum age limit as such, I think you are limited by the age at which you can hold a Class 1 Medical.

I presume the real limiter will be down to common sense i.e. will you be able to work for enough years to make the £100,000 outlay worthwhile. Also, whilst airlines cannot discriminate over age, they would clearly prefer someone who has the potential for command etc as opposed to someone who will complete line training then retire.

Good luck!

[go around flaps15]

Do 40 to 60 sectors after type rating with Ryanair, and then retire?

[ei-flyer]

I always find it peculiar, this constant reference to £100,000 of debt to the point of being able to fly for Ryanair.

In fact, if you play the game right, you can go 0-ATPL + RYR type rating for less than the cost of an integrated course alone. It really baffles me why people don't do this... perhaps a lack of understanding of money...?

[EI-CON]

When you mention "cadet program" I hope you understand what Ryanair mean by this. Its not a cadet program like old where they would train you from zero hours and pay for it. A Ryanair cadet is someone with no airline experience. They have already got there CPL MEIR which they would have paid for themselves before joining Ryanair.

Maybe I have mis interpreted your post but I get the impression you think a cadet is a zero to hero sponsorship. I appologise in advance if I have mis interpreted your post but seeing as your new to this site I though I should mention it.

[ab33t]

RYR do not do any intitial training , besides the line training after you have paid for your TR .

[Happy Wanderer]

There is no maximum age limit, certainly as far as RYR are concerned (I looked into it, paid the £10 for the RYR Open Day at EMA, then bailed out!). I personally know of one ex-FI who is now an FO with RYR, and was 40+ when he started his SSTR.

HW

[Piltdown Man]

I'm sure if you pay in cash there's no upper age limit. Getting a job after training might be a slight problem though...

PM

[checkxp]

Hey ei-flyer, when you said

In fact, if you play the game right, you can go 0-ATPL + RYR type rating for less than the cost of an integrated course alone. It really baffles me why people don't do this... perhaps a lack of understanding of money...?

Could you specify a little more where and how you can do that reliably. I am in my final year at uni (22yrs old) and it was my plan to try and get my ATPL after my degree. Could you advise me maybe on what to and what not to do, as I heard badly managed modular course are not very well seen by airlines. They'd rather see someone straight out of Oxford then someone who trained all over the place.

Thanks a lot

[G-FATTY]

Modular route, priceless - in comparison??

Hi checkxp,
I did my training all modular and came out with the same pieces of paper in the end as any intergrated fATPL holder, for less than 1/2 the price (if it costs £100,000!! above)

2 years! - PPL for £6200, 45hrs
6months - ATPL groundschool fulltime Cabair £2250 + living exp. = £3,200 (good name, would recommend groundschool @ Bournemouth).
5months - Hour building @ £70ph + landing fees etc = £8500 - UK based
3months - Multi CPL/IR at PAT, Bournemouth = £26,000inc exams - (great name, instructors) + living exp.£1,600
1 week - MCC @ European = £1,900 living exp £120

Modular route......priceless!
(Total: £48,170)
under 15months taken out from completing PPL.
200.1 hours total.

I think my training was picking the best of each stage in my view. The level of training was as high as I believe it can get and I feel that each training organisation above was providing a tailor made course to suit my needs.
At the end of the day though I am not guaranteed an interview, as I believe some intergrated course offer, but I would prefer to go to an interview saying I managed my training on both cost and a hight level of training, than to turn up to an interview that was included in a package.

In answer to your question, I would have £51,830 left for a Type Rating until im evens with a intergrated students price.
If only I had that money left over!

Thought this may be of some interest. Good luck with the training.

G-FATTY

[checkxp]

thanks a lot.

can I ask you how old you were when you graduated.

Did you choose everything by yourself, or did you get some "orientation" help for choosing which school etc.

thanks again


(got exam - Avionics - in 2 days... I should revise for it and go to bed !! )

[Groundloop]

They'd rather see someone straight out of Oxford then someone who trained all over the place.

Who told you this, Oxford's Marketing Department? Normally an airline will consider someone who has been to no more than two different providers on a modular course as perfectly acceptable. It is someone who has jumped all over the place doing modules here and there that are treated as suspect.

[checkxp]

haha, no it's a friend that did Oxford, and he got nearly straight in to Ryanair, and that was in early 2009, so full on during the recession. He just told me that it was very well organised, and that he's got that to show for when he applies to airlines.
But yeah, I guess that's his view, but he was happy with Oxford.

[shaun ryder]

Yes very well organised, yes and very expensive to boot. May I ask why you are doing a degree? If you want to be a pilot why the hell waste your time tossing it off at university with your chums? Why waste mummy and daddies hard earned wonga? This industry is , the last we need is more muppets with bags of cash knocking down the door of oat looking for 'the dream'. Talk to anyone who has had the pleasure and they will tell you oxford is the greatest. Truth is you will be the moment you 'graduate' as there are NO jobs for you and your mates. If you have to, I say stick it to the airlines and go modular, there will be no jobs for you at BA etal, why waste your money if all you are aiming for is the likes of ryanair? Any man and his dog can go there.

Its all about the folding stuff these days my dear chap.

[go around flaps15]

Any man and his dog can go there?


Not a **** like you.

[checkxp]

sidenote reply

Well Mr Shaun... I have to tell you that I'm doing a degree as a backup, and I must say, I would have never dreamed of not doing one. My four years at University was probably the best experience I had in my life yet! The amount of people you meet, the things you go through with exams, heavy drinking and all that (nearly getting kick out your own house by the police), you don't get that if you don't do a degree at university.
No2, I also applied to jobs, and I'm ensured now a place with a 40k pay when I graduate, rising to 60k after 2years, and that's with no help of my parents or anyone... it's just sheer work!

So i'd cut back on the words and idealism that people have on those doing a degree, but the fact is I don't wana earn 40k, i want to be a pilot. if it takes me 5years working for this company to earn enough to pay my training I will. But I know I can always fall back on my feet when I have an accident or any kind of medical problem once I'm a pilot.

Or even when there will be no pilots anymore, as I have some friends that seriously think that planes won't need pilots in the next 20years. Personally I don't think that will ever happen, but only the future will tell!

So yeah... and there is one question I have about this entire foroum, why are there so many people giving insults to others when they differ in opinion. Isn't that what makes a world great? Differences of opinion!!!

I thought only Bush striked on people who don't agree with him!

So yeah... please be nice when you answer posts... thanks

[tom775257]

Checkxp:

If I was in your position I would forget flying commercially for a while, if you have a job lined up paying 40k then 60k year two, why not save up for a while? That is a bloody well paid job! I've been flying jets since 2006 and I earn less than your year two wage. Do your PPL whilst working, see if you enjoy flying. Then once you have saved up enough, go modular at a time that the industry seems in better shape if you still want to, without going into debt.

Regarding airlines and modular, the first airline I worked for didn't care that I went modular, or that I trained at 3 different schools to get my fATPL (HGFC PPL, ATA Cov ATPL theory, Westflight CPLMEIR). I did instruct for a while and paid for a type rating at a good time. Also, once you have a thousand hours under your belt, where you trained is forgotten anyway.

Or another idea, why not get just your PPL and actually get to enjoy flying? That is a different topic entirely...

[checkxp]

Hey thanks for that reply.

You're probably right, but I'm pretty sure I want to become a Pilot eventually. I mean i do gliding for fun, but also I just enjoy being in a plane. As I study abroad, I fly home regularly and it's just always an exciting experience. I know for sure I don't wana be an engineer all my life somehow. Maths and stuff... I'm good at, but it just aint the same. I design planes, it's fun, it's pretty, it's rewarding, but it's not the real thing

Concerning the industry, you are right that it's not really the moment to be looking for jobs, but people told me that it's the time to get trained, as in 2 years the industry should be booming again (and I think they might be right).

But it's true, I'm not yet decided to start training (such as Shaun suggested that I should just run for it), I'm still hoping to look for and attempt free scholarship. On those, I'll run for it if I get it!

My only major concern is age, I'm 22, so I'm still ok, but I can see how time flies FAST!!!

So yeah... I'm at a wall how long do I work for, and I guess the 40k job, they expect me to stay if they train me and employ me for that money, so that's not too nice to accept, and then send your Thank you letter after 2years.....!!

Right.... I should really revise now if I wana get my 2:1 cya

[tom775257]

checkxp, what nationality are you? Obviously your home country might help with the job hunt compared to, for example, English people who can only speak English.

Whether the industry is in a better position in 2 years is guess work at the moment, historically the industry runs on a ten year cycle, so if and when it picks up you can train at that time, if you have your PPL already and some hours under your belt, finishing the ATPL theory, CPL/ME/IR will not take long. Also, you will learn your multi engine instrument rating skills quickly, but alas you can also forget them quickly... It is important to try and get a job soon after your training finishes.

Concentrate on getting a good degree for now, worry about aviation later, you are very young and in no rush what so ever. You never know, if the upturn takes longer that you think, eg 4 years after you start working, you could perhaps organise a career break, get your training done, and go back to work whilst job hunting.

I've seen aviation destroy the lives of people, both financially and emotionally. I know people who have gone bankrupt personally, I know people who never passed their training, I know people who never found a job, ran out of money to keep up their flying skills to a good standard and have given up. I also know people who had very good flying skills, but not the other 'soft skills' required to be a multicrew pilot; therefore failing all airline interviews.

Good luck.

[Airbusfreak]

Any man and his dog can go there.. Hmm that's funny enough I went there last week with 2 other guys from my school and only one got it.. Imagine if we had taken our dogs.. There were also many others on the day(humans) who didn't get it 2 out of 8 successful.. Just because you more than likely lost your job don't take it out on others. Oh and by the way if you still have a job I hope ryanair eat it up and spit it out this year as pax numbers increase from 66 million to 73. Hmm imagine 73 million dogs.