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Shaun Ryder, Any man and his dog can go there??
Go and
!! Funny how this any man and his dog airline has never had a fatal accident. Have a little respect for Europes largest airline in terms of passenger numbers please! 
To second AirbusFreak I hope Ryanair does chew up and spit out whatever airline you fly for if thats your attitude. In the words of MOL as Ryanair continues to expand BA, Latehansa and all the others will all be screwed!
Go and
!! Funny how this any man and his dog airline has never had a fatal accident. Have a little respect for Europes largest airline in terms of passenger numbers please! To second AirbusFreak I hope Ryanair does chew up and spit out whatever airline you fly for if thats your attitude. In the words of MOL as Ryanair continues to expand BA, Latehansa and all the others will all be screwed!
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thanks a lot.
Well don't think my own country will help, cuz it's small and doesn't really have airlines anymore, but the fact I speak french+dutch might help indeed. I was hoping to try out Airfrance's Sponsorship... but their last entery was 2009
That was one of the thing, 23 was already an age limit for Airfrance 'zero experience' sponsored entry, but I think that was without a degree.
My little question (all my friends here tell me this), does an Aeronautical Engineering degree help at all for the pilot profession, or do airlines really not consider this an advantage at all. I mean, I know more than a lot of people how things work, how they were designed and what's behind concepts some people might find weird.
Thanks again.
Well don't think my own country will help, cuz it's small and doesn't really have airlines anymore, but the fact I speak french+dutch might help indeed. I was hoping to try out Airfrance's Sponsorship... but their last entery was 2009
That was one of the thing, 23 was already an age limit for Airfrance 'zero experience' sponsored entry, but I think that was without a degree.
My little question (all my friends here tell me this), does an Aeronautical Engineering degree help at all for the pilot profession, or do airlines really not consider this an advantage at all. I mean, I know more than a lot of people how things work, how they were designed and what's behind concepts some people might find weird.
Thanks again.
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checkxp, A degree is good. It's honorable to get your degree first to have a qualification which gets you a salary to pay for your training. It's also a very mature way of thinking. I bet there are a few chief pilots out there liking that idea as they have gone down the same route.
I think it's true that if you go modular and train with more than two schools you might be treated as suspect. But only in times like these. When pilots are sought after no one gives a damn. All you need is a valid ticket.
I myself trained with six different schools in three countries: PPL, taildragger, IR, ATPL's, CPL, ME and IR conversion. When I began training I wanted to see as many places as possible while paying as little as possible. And I did. Did it disqualify me from getting jobs? Not really.
Came out of flight school in late summer 2008 and have never been without a flying job. It's been a helluva struggle but it's been so much fun. First job I got through word to mouth and the same with my current one. That being said, I also think I've been extremely lucky because I always met the right people pointing me in a different, most of the times, right direction. But make no mistake about it, there's not a single day where I am not contemplating my next move to create options. It's your own effort and willingness to sacrifice which counts. No more, no less. You need to be very proactive and basically be ready to eat. I get the feeling a great many in western societies are no longer ready for that. They want it all right from the start.
While a few of my training buddies are already flying for the airlines and taking home much more cash than me I am slowly progressing and building up the hours and that ever so important network. There are times when I wish I would be in their shoes but what I like is the idea of slowly advancing but flying as many different aircraft throughout my "career" as possible. Why? Because it's fun. I think it's the first few jobs you do that you wish back once you have flown the line for many years. It also makes you appreciate much more what you have later on in your career (assuming you got somewhere!).
I am not kidding when I am telling you that in the midst of one of the worst post-WWII recessions aviation has seen I have a definite job offer flying a little twin, my hands on another twin flying job (my present one), on the waiting list with a European regional flying TP and a possible interview coming up with another TP operator. By no means am I trying to brag as I haven't achieved jack**** at this point but what I am trying to show is that it is possible to advance, even in times like these.
When the airlines are not hiring you need to find a way of getting the hours up and yourself known in the industry, most likely GA. You need to come across as a decent pilot, but more importantly, one must like you and want to spend a day of work with you in the cockpit. The easiest way of achieving this is by starting off at the bottom of the chain.
But then again, isn't that with all jobs?
I think it's true that if you go modular and train with more than two schools you might be treated as suspect. But only in times like these. When pilots are sought after no one gives a damn. All you need is a valid ticket.
I myself trained with six different schools in three countries: PPL, taildragger, IR, ATPL's, CPL, ME and IR conversion. When I began training I wanted to see as many places as possible while paying as little as possible. And I did. Did it disqualify me from getting jobs? Not really.
Came out of flight school in late summer 2008 and have never been without a flying job. It's been a helluva struggle but it's been so much fun. First job I got through word to mouth and the same with my current one. That being said, I also think I've been extremely lucky because I always met the right people pointing me in a different, most of the times, right direction. But make no mistake about it, there's not a single day where I am not contemplating my next move to create options. It's your own effort and willingness to sacrifice which counts. No more, no less. You need to be very proactive and basically be ready to eat
. I get the feeling a great many in western societies are no longer ready for that. They want it all right from the start.While a few of my training buddies are already flying for the airlines and taking home much more cash than me I am slowly progressing and building up the hours and that ever so important network. There are times when I wish I would be in their shoes but what I like is the idea of slowly advancing but flying as many different aircraft throughout my "career" as possible. Why? Because it's fun. I think it's the first few jobs you do that you wish back once you have flown the line for many years. It also makes you appreciate much more what you have later on in your career (assuming you got somewhere!).
I am not kidding when I am telling you that in the midst of one of the worst post-WWII recessions aviation has seen I have a definite job offer flying a little twin, my hands on another twin flying job (my present one), on the waiting list with a European regional flying TP and a possible interview coming up with another TP operator. By no means am I trying to brag as I haven't achieved jack**** at this point but what I am trying to show is that it is possible to advance, even in times like these.
When the airlines are not hiring you need to find a way of getting the hours up and yourself known in the industry, most likely GA. You need to come across as a decent pilot, but more importantly, one must like you and want to spend a day of work with you in the cockpit. The easiest way of achieving this is by starting off at the bottom of the chain.
But then again, isn't that with all jobs?
EI-CON, your cheerleading for Ryanair is many things and amongst them is endearing.
Its so gauche seeing you boasting about fatal accidents that I am literally frowning and squirming. Many airline pilots can name at least three out of the many airport where Ryanair have had serious incidents in the last decade. Their past safety record is good, and like all airlines, gone in a heatbeat.
Ryanair are Ryanair. When you're an airline pilot in work for an airline then you might be qualified to have an opinion. Until then you're a naive numpty championing the destruction of the job you covet.
Be quiet.
WWW
Its so gauche seeing you boasting about fatal accidents that I am literally frowning and squirming. Many airline pilots can name at least three out of the many airport where Ryanair have had serious incidents in the last decade. Their past safety record is good, and like all airlines, gone in a heatbeat.
Ryanair are Ryanair. When you're an airline pilot in work for an airline then you might be qualified to have an opinion. Until then you're a naive numpty championing the destruction of the job you covet.
Be quiet.
WWW
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WWW, Sorry but I find what Shaun Ryder said insulting to a very professional and hard working Ryanair crew. As for the accident reference Im simply stating fact.
Secondly I wouldn't comment on my personal circumstances when you know nothing about them. I have an airline job if you must know and to second AirbusFreaks question who do you fly for?
Two other members have disagreed with Shaun Ryders comment so I think my last post was perfectly in line.
Secondly I wouldn't comment on my personal circumstances when you know nothing about them. I have an airline job if you must know and to second AirbusFreaks question who do you fly for?
Two other members have disagreed with Shaun Ryders comment so I think my last post was perfectly in line.
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One should never wish a bad safety record on any airline.
The comments from some above posters are a reaction to a comment Shaun Ryder made previously.
A little bit haste maybe.
Perhaps Shaun Ryder is the one who should be quiet.
The majority(cadets) that apply fail. That is reality.
But if Shaun Ryder wants to believe that "every man and his dog" can get into FR, if that keeps him feeling somewhat aloof, good luck to him indeed.
The comments from some above posters are a reaction to a comment Shaun Ryder made previously.
A little bit haste maybe.
Perhaps Shaun Ryder is the one who should be quiet.
The majority(cadets) that apply fail. That is reality.
But if Shaun Ryder wants to believe that "every man and his dog" can get into FR, if that keeps him feeling somewhat aloof, good luck to him indeed.
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Any man and his dog can get a job at FR?
I take offence to that comment .................. that is a complete insult to dogs.
At least FR cadets have a lot in common with dogs, they get spoon fed everything they want from their mummy and daddy, they sit up and beg, and they obey everything their master(MOL) says!!!!
I take offence to that comment .................. that is a complete insult to dogs.
At least FR cadets have a lot in common with dogs, they get spoon fed everything they want from their mummy and daddy, they sit up and beg, and they obey everything their master(MOL) says!!!!
Stop questioning WWW's qualifications! If he didn't know what he is talking about he wouldn't have been made a Moderator of the Wannabees thread.
Okay, he does go over the top sometimes but he is an ex-FI and a current airline pilot. I know who he flies for but, if he doesn't want to say himself, I won't either.
Okay, he does go over the top sometimes but he is an ex-FI and a current airline pilot. I know who he flies for but, if he doesn't want to say himself, I won't either.
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checkxp - I'd second tom775257's advice whole-heartedly; sensible. No-one knows when the upturn would come but you can start training at that point and not miss it. Take the grad job you have lined up; build life experience, a fallback career and some capital.
As regards worrying about loyalty to that company; I've both been through a grad training scheme and recruited for them. Your concern is honorable and your company may not be like this ... but many companies simply see their big grad intakes as 'cannon-fodder' because they know that most will leave after a few years. Whether it's the accountancy firms, engineering, banking or law, it seemed to work the same way - there are only a limited number of higher jobs to go for when you finish the scheme and until you're performing on the scheme no-one really knows who will be the stars. People leave, people swap companies etc and no-one feels 'slighted' by it; it's just the reality of the job market these days.
Grogalong - apologies for the threadcreep. Back to the point & to try to answer your question. I got a job a few years ago on a 'cadet' or 'tagged' scheme with a UK carrier when a bit older than most. In the selections I undertook (5 airlines, mainly UK) I never saw anyone over early 30s get onto the scheme. My age was always something I had to convince the airline interviewers was not a problem.
I don't know about the other routes, other than that there are success stories out there from people your age but that now is a horrendously bad time to be trying to get in
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Best of luck, BM
.As regards worrying about loyalty to that company; I've both been through a grad training scheme and recruited for them. Your concern is honorable and your company may not be like this ... but many companies simply see their big grad intakes as 'cannon-fodder' because they know that most will leave after a few years. Whether it's the accountancy firms, engineering, banking or law, it seemed to work the same way - there are only a limited number of higher jobs to go for when you finish the scheme and until you're performing on the scheme no-one really knows who will be the stars. People leave, people swap companies etc and no-one feels 'slighted' by it; it's just the reality of the job market these days.
Grogalong - apologies for the threadcreep. Back to the point & to try to answer your question. I got a job a few years ago on a 'cadet' or 'tagged' scheme with a UK carrier when a bit older than most. In the selections I undertook (5 airlines, mainly UK) I never saw anyone over early 30s get onto the scheme. My age was always something I had to convince the airline interviewers was not a problem.
I don't know about the other routes, other than that there are success stories out there from people your age but that now is a horrendously bad time to be trying to get in
.Best of luck, BM
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smith,
Your comment makes me laugh. You remind me of two Ryanair bashers who went to my flight school, later I found out they had both failed Ryanair interviews.
Ryanair has revolutionised this industry. They brough low cost travel to the masses in Europe and it was because of there influence that many many other airlines started up trying to copy there low cost model which in turn let to lots and lots of jobs in the good times. I know many pilots flying for Emirates, Ethiad, Aer Lingus, private jets etc who all got there start with Ryanair. Ryanair kick started there careersand they will tell you this.
Maybe you should read MOL's book especially the bit where pilots praise Ryanair. Before Ryanair the only flying jobs in Ireland were Aer Lingus, which was largly based on who you know not what you know, and Iona. No offence to Iona they were a great company but if its an airline job your after...........
Example, 4 years ago two friends of mine were newly qualified. One guy went to FR the other went instructing and eventually joined RE. 4 years on the FR guy is in the left seat, the RE guys is sitting at home on the dole. Both of them trained modular. The FR guy is now debt free the RE guy is far from it. Which one would you rather be????????
Your comment makes me laugh. You remind me of two Ryanair bashers who went to my flight school, later I found out they had both failed Ryanair interviews.
Ryanair has revolutionised this industry. They brough low cost travel to the masses in Europe and it was because of there influence that many many other airlines started up trying to copy there low cost model which in turn let to lots and lots of jobs in the good times. I know many pilots flying for Emirates, Ethiad, Aer Lingus, private jets etc who all got there start with Ryanair. Ryanair kick started there careersand they will tell you this.
Maybe you should read MOL's book especially the bit where pilots praise Ryanair. Before Ryanair the only flying jobs in Ireland were Aer Lingus, which was largly based on who you know not what you know, and Iona. No offence to Iona they were a great company but if its an airline job your after...........
Example, 4 years ago two friends of mine were newly qualified. One guy went to FR the other went instructing and eventually joined RE. 4 years on the FR guy is in the left seat, the RE guys is sitting at home on the dole. Both of them trained modular. The FR guy is now debt free the RE guy is far from it. Which one would you rather be????????
Given that you were doing your MCC in August last year I'm guessing the only airline that could have hired you was Ryanair under the Brookfield deal - correct?
The novelty will, eventually, wear off. I promise you.
WWW
The novelty will, eventually, wear off. I promise you.
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was that to me or ei-con www. as i did actually do my mcc in august. you are correct in what you are saying. i only have one option. so im asking you honest advice refuse it or take it?
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I really didnt want to get involved in another FR debate, I agree their busienss model has worked very well and they have bought travel to those who had never flown. However, I if we change and apply Flybe's 'low cost but not at any cost' eco motto to 'low cost at any cost' I think we will be getting a bit closer to what FR have done to the industry and T&C's.
To see EI-CON clearly so proud of FR not having a fatal accident, I have to agree with WWW, comments like that are nothing less than worrying! Im afraid to say their safety record sadly isnt that great and I hope things change for the better sooner rather than later as they sadly have a worrying trend to always be in a rush which causes proven safety probs. This was proven to me when I was taxiing and an FR capt said if we were taking the ps or just lost. Happily my skipper came back with, larger aircraft always look like they are going slower, anyway our cabin crew are busy clearing away the champagne glasses.
CABUS
To see EI-CON clearly so proud of FR not having a fatal accident, I have to agree with WWW, comments like that are nothing less than worrying! Im afraid to say their safety record sadly isnt that great and I hope things change for the better sooner rather than later as they sadly have a worrying trend to always be in a rush which causes proven safety probs. This was proven to me when I was taxiing and an FR capt said if we were taking the p
s or just lost. Happily my skipper came back with, larger aircraft always look like they are going slower, anyway our cabin crew are busy clearing away the champagne glasses. CABUS
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Dry your eyes EI-CON, you will get over it.
I second the post by CABUS regarding hyperactive or possibly aggressive behavior on the ramp by some FR captains. Just recently we were cleared to push in front of an FR meat wagon. A somewhat irked irish accent inquired over the RT if we were actually ready to push even though we were already doing so? (the captain stepping in for his eastern european FO on this occasion). Call me old fashioned but have you no eyes I thought? Anyway once we were almost out of the way, our hero opened up on the thrust levers in act of angry unprofessionalism nearly adding a winglet to our flightdeck.
Nice one.
I second the post by CABUS regarding hyperactive or possibly aggressive behavior on the ramp by some FR captains. Just recently we were cleared to push in front of an FR meat wagon. A somewhat irked irish accent inquired over the RT if we were actually ready to push even though we were already doing so? (the captain stepping in for his eastern european FO on this occasion). Call me old fashioned but have you no eyes I thought? Anyway once we were almost out of the way, our hero opened up on the thrust levers in act of angry unprofessionalism nearly adding a winglet to our flightdeck.
Nice one.
