Eagle Jet - SE Asia
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Eagle Jet - SE Asia
Dear All,
I'm contemplating hour building with Eagle Jet on their SE Asian program.
Does anyone know the Airline he's dealing with so I can check this against the EU Black list please.
Comments re: Morals of PTF Scheme will be ignored.
I'm contemplating hour building with Eagle Jet on their SE Asian program.
Does anyone know the Airline he's dealing with so I can check this against the EU Black list please.
Comments re: Morals of PTF Scheme will be ignored.
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Agreed, there is 100% an asia program, RAM program and a new possible European partner airline program. On the other hand there is a ban apparently for example RAM..they have a ban on foreign pilots but there is an exemption Eaglejet on this hence there still is a line program.
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Definate Ban in Malaysia, (unless lifted very very recently) for Air Asia,my info comes form the letter I got from the DCA saying, VISA DENIED!!! lol ,if it wasnt serious it'd be funny.. Dont know where this program would be but I'd put money on it NOT being Air Asia. Hope I'm wrong.
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It might not be Air Asia in fact but from what i read it was, im trying to find out where i heard it. Royal Air Moroc had constant strikes to stop expact pilots but i know this was more regarding captains than FO's because the schools cannot produce enough FO's to fulfill the airlines requirments.
I got the clearance from the DGAC in morocco to start but haven't received a start date from the airline yet. I am hoping this new partner airline will be better.
I got the clearance from the DGAC in morocco to start but haven't received a start date from the airline yet. I am hoping this new partner airline will be better.
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Right now its Royal Air Maroc (RAM) and the email he sent today he said he will not mention the new european airline till a contract has been signed. For the Asia one if you read above its rumoured to be Air Asia which i read or got told but dont quote me on it that its them.
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B737NG Asia partner program is Lion Air. Attended one of the meetings in Sydney Australia US29,000 for 500hrs FO and Captain. "Possible" further 2 yrs employment after completion of program based on performance. 
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B737NG Asia partner program is Lion Air. Attended one of the meetings in Sydney Australia US29,000 for 500hrs FO and Captain. "Possible" further 2 yrs employment after completion of program based on performance. 
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I think Qantas, Cathay Pacific, JAL, Emirates and Ethiad all work with the Eagle Jet program. If you do the program you will be flying for one of these airlines! I highly recommend that you pay to work. This is the new norm in the industry. I love flying and I would do it for free. Now get out there and spread your wings. Who cares if you get paid or not, if the job is fun and you enjoy doing it! Good luck
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Abagnale,
Question!! How would you even know if they "paid to fly"?
If you worked for Lion Air for 2 years as an FO where does that say "pay to fly"? You dont have to say that you paid to fly on your CV only an idiot would put that in bold writing.
The industry is changing its not like how it was 20 years ago where the airline trained you from PPL or paid for your type rating...have you forgotten there is a world wide recession! Airlines are only just staying a float and your still expecting great pay and training paid for.....Yeah right,
obviously there has to be a limit on what is fair pay and sh*t pay.
How can you guys who already got jobs, say to new pilots that you want them to sit it out for a few years/ "wait your turn" till things get better. If you are lucky enough to have the money you should take control of the situation.
Aviation has always been a never ending pit of money!! I personally think it comes down to jealousy, some people have the money to do it whilst others dont so they complain, and if you have the money you would do the same.
Its not the pilots who wreck the industry its the market and the airlines themselves...us pilots are only the monkeys doing what the organ grinder says. If the requirements where 500 TT and then the airline trains you up then there wouldnt be a need for TRTO or line flying schemes, But if the airline wants 2000 TT and 500 hours on type how they hell are you going to get that!!???.
New pilots are in a catch 22 situation..."Need experience to get the job, Cant get experience because you need a job to gain it"...so these schools are breaking the cycle or you could say found a gap in the market.
Paying to get yourself in the right hand seat and fly AND get paid for it is wrong and that is the true definition of pay to fly. Paying to fly in the RHS for 500 hours WITHOUT getting paid then after your back on your own two feet trying to get a job is not what I call paying for a job at all. All you have done is paid an FO to take some time off and have a nice holiday for a year.
So my advice is, instead of slatting the scheme off how about you actually look into what the program is about then make your judgement, because everyone who complains about it dont really know what the program is about or how its run, all they see is PAY TO FLY!!
P.s Quote "stop turning this profession into a monkey occupation." Well with Technology getting better and pilots using autopilots instead of flying it themselves, pilots are there for Monitoring purposes and for "Human comfort" Technology is getting better and better making flying alot easier why is the airline going to pay a guy £120K a year to turn a few knobs on an MCP and auto land it at the end?
A phrase that an engineer told me comes to mind, "you can train a monkey to ride a bike, but you cant get him to fix one"
Question!! How would you even know if they "paid to fly"?
If you worked for Lion Air for 2 years as an FO where does that say "pay to fly"? You dont have to say that you paid to fly on your CV only an idiot would put that in bold writing.
The industry is changing its not like how it was 20 years ago where the airline trained you from PPL or paid for your type rating...have you forgotten there is a world wide recession! Airlines are only just staying a float and your still expecting great pay and training paid for.....Yeah right,
obviously there has to be a limit on what is fair pay and sh*t pay.
How can you guys who already got jobs, say to new pilots that you want them to sit it out for a few years/ "wait your turn" till things get better. If you are lucky enough to have the money you should take control of the situation.
Aviation has always been a never ending pit of money!! I personally think it comes down to jealousy, some people have the money to do it whilst others dont so they complain, and if you have the money you would do the same.
Its not the pilots who wreck the industry its the market and the airlines themselves...us pilots are only the monkeys doing what the organ grinder says. If the requirements where 500 TT and then the airline trains you up then there wouldnt be a need for TRTO or line flying schemes, But if the airline wants 2000 TT and 500 hours on type how they hell are you going to get that!!???.
New pilots are in a catch 22 situation..."Need experience to get the job, Cant get experience because you need a job to gain it"...so these schools are breaking the cycle or you could say found a gap in the market.
Paying to get yourself in the right hand seat and fly AND get paid for it is wrong and that is the true definition of pay to fly. Paying to fly in the RHS for 500 hours WITHOUT getting paid then after your back on your own two feet trying to get a job is not what I call paying for a job at all. All you have done is paid an FO to take some time off and have a nice holiday for a year.
So my advice is, instead of slatting the scheme off how about you actually look into what the program is about then make your judgement, because everyone who complains about it dont really know what the program is about or how its run, all they see is PAY TO FLY!!
P.s Quote "stop turning this profession into a monkey occupation." Well with Technology getting better and pilots using autopilots instead of flying it themselves, pilots are there for Monitoring purposes and for "Human comfort" Technology is getting better and better making flying alot easier why is the airline going to pay a guy £120K a year to turn a few knobs on an MCP and auto land it at the end?
A phrase that an engineer told me comes to mind, "you can train a monkey to ride a bike, but you cant get him to fix one"
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Question!! How would you even know if they "paid to fly"?
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So your telling me if you get the stage where they want to interview you and you impress them, they will still reject you because you paid for your training?
If I had the money to invest in line hours why would I settle to work at sainsbury's for 2 years till things blow over? I would rather spend the money on 500 hours on type which will look more appealing on a CV than zero hours, then work at sainsburys till things blow over and when things pick up I will be on the top of the CV pile because I have experience on type whilst others dont.
Thats the way I see it and I gather alot of people see it the same way and thats why they are going down this route.
If I had the money to invest in line hours why would I settle to work at sainsbury's for 2 years till things blow over? I would rather spend the money on 500 hours on type which will look more appealing on a CV than zero hours, then work at sainsburys till things blow over and when things pick up I will be on the top of the CV pile because I have experience on type whilst others dont.
Thats the way I see it and I gather alot of people see it the same way and thats why they are going down this route.
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So your telling me if you get the stage where they want to interview you and you impress them, they will still reject you because you paid for your training?
But to answer your question, yes some airlines will, I'm sure, reject you. Just as some airlines will not accept a Spanish IR. There are others, of course, that will not care
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