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Renewing MEP and MEIR

Old 6th Nov 2009, 13:19
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Renewing MEP and MEIR

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Does anyone know if it is necessary to renew a MEP and MEIR before applying for Airline jobs? Both have recently lapsed and the cost of renewal is'nt cheap. However, I don't want to be caught out if a job interview came along which required the ratings to be already valid. Also can you renew your MEIR without having a valid multi engine rating? Since you would be doing a type rating anyway if you got a job; is it necesary to have an MEP?

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Old 6th Nov 2009, 14:29
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Speaking purely in JAA (UK CAA) terms, (without being bothered to look in depth into Lasors) I believe that a current and valid MEIR is sufficient to be offered an airline job - obviously subject to a subsequent type rating course for the aircraft you would be employed to fly should you not already hold it.

I do however firmly suspect that if you were to go down to your local club and present yourself with a current and valid MEIR yet an expired MEP Class Rating they wouldn't rent you their Seminole as you aren't current on Multi Engine Piston aircraft.

Current + Valid MEP Rating = The entitlement to fly a multi engine piston aircraft
Current + Valid MEIR = The entitlement to operate a multi engine aircraft ON WHICH YOU ARE RATED in the IMC/IFR environment.

This is my understanding and would love to be corrected if I'm off course.

On a side note the first renewal of the MEIR can be done in an approved FTD simulator. Being in a similar position to you myself, (financial circumstances permitting) I would thoroughly recommend renewing both. An hour or two in a DA42 might even, dare I say, be fun???
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 15:06
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Thanks for that info. I think I will try to renew both at the same time and hopefully only get one examiner fee.
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 15:59
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Having recently renewed both, I believe you can only renew MEP in the air, whereas first year you can indeed renew MEIR in the sim. Sim = a LOT cheaper than A/c.

MEP cost me nearly a grand to renew (had to go up twice due windshear on short finals and crosswind nearly at max demonstrated on first outting, which examiner thought would be a bit sporting whilst trying to demonstrate your asym landing!)

MEP - do it for fun, to keep your hand in, to remember that not all flying was about flying around with a blacked out cockpit, but I don't think it's REQUIRED for a job,...
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 16:13
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Holding a valid and current MEIR is a requirement to start training for your first type rating. There is no such requirement to hold a MEP class rating.

LASORS (section F4) says "hold a current and valid multi-engine Instrument Rating (Aeroplanes). This is only a requirement for an initial MPA type rating and not subsequent type ratings."

Strictly speaking there is no requirement to have anything valid and/or current before you apply for a job or even to get offered a job. However, looking from the employer's point of view, would you invite the applicant with the valid and current rating or the applicant without?
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 21:56
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Flashheart.....

I was in a similar position 3 years ago. Decided to renew MEIR in Sim only as I was not interested in piston twins. Got the job I wanted and type rating to boot! .... Bingo!

If you are wanting to fly TP or Jets then no real need for piston twin ticket.

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Old 7th Nov 2009, 08:17
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so if you already have a Multi Crew type on your licence, but are not flying right now, there is no legal requirement to have a current IR for the next new type rating? Thats good news!
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Old 7th Nov 2009, 15:00
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DeltaT,

In JAR land that is correct. I see you list your location as NZ. Rules might be different there.
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Old 8th Nov 2009, 09:29
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"required the ratings to be already valid"

I was in the same situation a couple of months ago, which you were Flashheart II . I was looking at either renewing my IR-SPA-ME or getting an instructor rating.

If you get offered an interview with an airline after applying and applying, they will expect you to have all the current ratings and Medical. the resaon why is you are expected to pass the interview+ tech side and the simulator test.
this is done by flying or by flying in the sim every so offeren to keeping yourself current. (e.g. remember flybe want 50hours worth of flying in the last 12 months and they can very easy get it)
anyway back to the main question
when you do a type rating the requirements are the same as doing the MCC course, you need a current MEP & IR-SPA-ME otherwise you cannot start the type rating course.
Rememeber if someone else is current and flying regularly they are more of a likley choice than someone who not.

http://www.oaa.com/pages/training_co...R_Saab2000.pdf

this is a page from oxford aviation website about type rating. you can see even a SAAB 2000, requirements need both a IR-SPA-ME and the MEP ratings.

Type Rating Cessna Citation Jet CJ CJ1 CJ2 C525 CJ525 Beech King Air BE200 TRTO
this is a king air class rating. need a current mep rating & IR-SPA-ME for first rating. every company will fly IFR on these a/c.

the cost of renewaling the MEP & IR-SPA-ME isn't too much. i know someone who did it in one flight without no practice, cost around 750 for both.
because your IR-SPA-ME rating is lasped you will have to fly, but you can do the MEP rating together. the renewal isn't as hard as the initial.
i would estimated it costing you from 750-2000 max in renewaling them both in the a/c and inculding examiners fee as well.

hope the information helps
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Old 8th Nov 2009, 11:03
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Thanks all for your replies.
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