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Old 6th Nov 2009, 07:25
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Zambia requires 1000 hours even for a 172 job

I have just found out that the Zambian authorities now require 1000 hours
even for a job on a 172 doing safari work.

Its not rumour control, I am actually here in Zambia looking for my first job.

I am stunned.

Any information on this new rule would be appreciated.

The pay here seems to be $1000 to $2000 a month. Any 1000 hour chaps out there fancy that?
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 10:00
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Yeah I recently applied to Proflight Zambia. At least they were kind enough to reply that I need at least 1000hrs to do anykind of flyingjob down there.
"All candidates have to have a minimum of 1000 hours total time due to Zambian DCA requirements."
It seems that most operators in Africa now require more than 500hrs even for small SE prop safari operations. This will basically cut out all the wannabes straight from flightschool......
Nice, isn't it.....
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As I said Proflight Zambia if you have more than 1000TT.... If you have a rating on Caravan or any of their types you will have even better chances of getting a job there...
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confusing...

that's really silly.
How will the fresh cpl 200hr chap get his first work if the minimum req. is 1000hrs for ANY kind of flying job??????

And at the same time, most of those above 1000hrs are already trying to have their a** on any line RHS.

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Sometimes, it's the insurance company who's dictating the experience needed....
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I don't think it's a bad thing at all. Single engine piston, single crew flying can and is some of the most demanding flying you'll ever do in your life. The Zambian DCA is obviously just trying to improve their safety record and look after the tourism industry out there.
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Guys,

I am sorry to inform you that the Zambian DCA requires 1000 hours PIC time after obtaining your non Zambian CPL-Instr rating, to obtain a validation.
Sorry to inform you about this, but what it comes down to is that you will probably need more than 1200 hours of flighttime in your logbook.
What Zambia is doing is actually implementing ICAO ruling.
I am a Dutchman and when I wanted to validate my FAA ATPL to a national Dutch CPL, the Dutch DCA also required 1000 hrs flighttime after obtaing my FAA CPL-Instr rating.

Good luck everyone, and keep in mind, there are still plenty African nations that still have not implemented this ICAO ruling.
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 13:21
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Guys read this:

http://www.peter2000.co.uk/aviation/...ce/159-161.pdf

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Old 6th Nov 2009, 15:17
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...

If its ICAO ruling, then it would certainly be THE standard to be adopted later on at some point by all the countries.

Where and how would they expect someone with a CPL/IR to reach 1000 hrs before being eligible for employment??
I think it got more to do with employment by third countries.

Or am I missing something?
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Old 6th Nov 2009, 15:46
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Yes, you are missing out on something.
These requirements are for valadation of a foreign licence.
If you stay in the country that issued your licence,there is no issue !!
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Does that affect the people who are already out there working in Zambia who have less than 1000 hours?

I was out there myself working earlier this year, and I have less than 1000 hours.

Its gonna be bad news for some people I worked with out there if this is the case. Hopefully it wont effect them.
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Captain D,

Yes you are missing something and that is the fact that they do not care how you get your first 1000hrs as its not their problem.

On a purely selfish note, excellent news less competition for me.
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Old 7th Nov 2009, 08:39
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Guys

This ruling will not apply to those looking to work in Maun. Here you have to convert to a Botswana licence first, there are no validations.

So there is still a little light at the end of the tunnel.

All the best in finding that first job.

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@scratchingthesky
There are almost no instructor jobs vacant in europe at the moment! That's a fact.... And those available will be mostly filled in by experienced instructors....
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It'll never catch on

Experienced Instructors? Whatever next!

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Ronand and others, sorry to hear this, BUT you should have looked into this before starting out on the road, there are lots of CPL holders out there who never get jobs in aviation. Sad but true.
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Maun Botswana

Thanks Paddy,

I am trying to get to Maun at the moment from the Copperbelt in the north of Zambia! It's a challenge to say the least.

Have you flown there?

I am trying to get to see someone at Sefofane Air Charters.

They ask you to take an exam which covers both personal and technical aspects before the interview. Any knowledge of the questions?

Or if anyone out there has any knowledge it would be appreciated.

Regards a very heavy Lead Sparrow!

Can I take this opportunity to say thanks to everyone for there help so far.
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Old 13th Nov 2009, 01:49
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there are still plenty African nations that still have not implemented this ICAO ruling
A fistful of greenbacks will 'oil the wheels' in such states!
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Old 14th Nov 2009, 07:10
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Guys, that PDF in the URL posted above is nothing to do with ICAO.

It comes out of an EASA proposal, to strip European residents of foreign license privileges when flying in EU airspace. Due c. 2012.

Hugely controversial it is too, and political dynamite, but that's another story.

The full EASA document (which that extract comes from) is here.
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Although it may seem unfair to those looking for a job with low hours it is also not such a bad thing. Bush flying isn't the last resort for those with a fresh licence who can't get on a jet. It's demanding, difficult and will have you constantly working at the wrong end of your performance profile. Having no experience isn't the best background.

Good luck.
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