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Old 25th Oct 2009, 20:12
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For once Beak I think we actually agree on something.
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Old 25th Oct 2009, 23:50
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Ryanair is always a topic that will cause controversy and argument with anything that is to do with recruiting. It's a given fact, and they are incredibly controversial in the way that they do recruit.

That's not to say that it's a good or a bad thing. I think with everything there are positives and negatives... But I also think that important thing to remember is that Ryanair are almost the only airline recruiting right now, and if you're a low houred pilot, you don't really have much choice - you could wait for the industry to pick up and for the thousands of likewise houred guys to charge for the jobs, only to find the experienced pilots from other defunct airlines have taken them, or you can take out the loan and go about it that way.

Personally, I never really wanted to fly for Ryanair and was delighted when I was offered a job elsewhere a couple of years ago... And I'm almost one of the largest anti-Ryanair guys out there - but at the same time, if it's an option, it's an option.

Although I would warn all people going there about unpredictable earnings - I know several people who didn't get their first pay cheques for over half a year, and above all else with no effective base salary, your pay will very much depend on crewing levels at the base that you get allocated. And quite a fair bit of that would end up on B&Bs at bases away from home.

But as I said, at the moment, Ryanair are almost exclusively the only airline recruiting out there. And people can moan about it, but it's not the most productive course of action.

If you were a CPL/IR, right now, with loan payments pending and no sign of a job unless you went to Ryanair, would you go for it? I reckon that 95% of people would...

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Old 27th Oct 2009, 20:36
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ryanair

try a whole year in cold calling people, seling them thing to earn money. I only work there to keep up my renews for my CPL/IR ratings, otherwise i will running out of the door.

amazing as it sound i would work for ryainair any day, instead of doing my job at the moment!!!
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Old 27th Oct 2009, 20:48
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Yeah absolutely, just the small hurdle of 33000 Euros.
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Old 28th Oct 2009, 23:38
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+ extras

I estimate it costs 40K, becuase of passes, unform, maybe any extra hours in your type rating. e.g an hour or two over run, which cost around £500-600!!

the extras keep adding up!!!
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Old 2nd Nov 2009, 07:43
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Potential cancellation of 200 new a/c and existing orders

Been watching this for a while. Ryanair are failing to get a discount from both Boeing and Airbus for a deal of 200 new a/c, which may result in them cancelling these orders as well as all existing ones and therefore stopping growth, but on a positive note, they are making a nice profit at the moment.

Tread carefully all, should hear by end of year what will happen.

BBC NEWS | Business | Ryanair may halt 'rapid growth'
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Old 2nd Nov 2009, 08:12
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The good news is that, because of the unique business model, this will not stem the rapid recruitment.
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Old 2nd Nov 2009, 09:39
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Is this the business model of making money out of the assessment/TR/Base training/Line training process?

No matter what the situation at FR, expect assessment days to be full steam ahead.

If you just spunked 30k on an FR TR, I feel for you. I assume your finger nails will get significantly shorter over the next few months.

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Old 2nd Nov 2009, 10:48
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I wouldn't put too much credence in that BBC story. MOL likes to put out a headline grabber (+ve or -ve, all publicity is good publicity) every few weeks and this is typical of his hard-bargaining haggling technique. Put some pressure on Boeing to cut a few bucks off the bill!
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Old 2nd Nov 2009, 11:18
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A recruitment period will only continue until they have fulfilled their requirements; we can only assume this may continue for the moment with 100 a/c due over the next 4yrs (according to MOL). These new a/c are due for delivery in 2013-2016, so it shouldn't affect things for a while yet.

The BBC have only just picked up on this, as well as all the news reporters today, but itís been going on for weeks. Boeing and Airbus have both stated the other week they we're not going to budge on this one as it would set president for other airlines wanting similar and what Ryanair is asking for is something they cannot do.... so as it stands, there is stalemate position, until someone decides the way forward. Yes there is pressure on the a/c manufacturers, but if the deal isn't good enough for them, they won't budge, I wouldn't, nor would you.

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Old 2nd Nov 2009, 18:03
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Too right. FR will trash whatever market they can and have no thought for the consequences.

Fair play to both manufacturers for sticking to their guns. About time this industry thought about the long term rather than shoot itself in the foot.

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Old 3rd Nov 2009, 23:25
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aimed at beak who on numerous occasions has said all the things he says are to the best of his opinion matter of fact.. heres a fact beak, buddy i trained with got tr contract and bill 2 days ago... 28,500 euro

"Yeah absolutely, just the small hurdle of 33000 Euros. "

i presume firstly you meant 33,000 Euro. secondly why are you adding 4,500 Euro on to the price? to fuel your but stories??

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Old 4th Nov 2009, 07:35
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Ahhhhh the old 'buddy had a......' line. No it's 33K Euros including VAT.
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Old 4th Nov 2009, 08:34
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no its not i have an instructor and a guy i trained with both starting tr in feb.. both given the same price.. is there anybody else on here who can back this info up who is startin tr in sweeden soon
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Old 4th Nov 2009, 08:39
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We are at cross purposes young lady, Sweden is cheaper than CAE. CAE will more likely get you an interview though from what I have heard. Funny that.
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Old 4th Nov 2009, 15:49
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cost of t/r

I understood it to be 27500 euros plus vat (which is 19% in Netherlands).

I believe it is (or was), 28500 in Sweden ...but vat exempt?

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Old 7th Nov 2009, 10:55
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Cost

Well it all depends on our ever changing economy! At the moment it will cost me £29,282.97
That in euros is 32,725
My training is in EMA, according to my accountants I am able to claim back my vat and so is a nice chunk off as it arrives within 6 weeks of paying!
No questions it is a lot of money however as I have said in a previous thread I have worked for this and the money is about there now, so let's not turn this into how I am selling my soul to the devil!
Although it pains me greatly yes you are about right beak! But so is airbusfreak as it all depends on where we do the TR!
Good luck to everyone,
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Old 7th Nov 2009, 11:58
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Claiming back the VAT. Hmmm. I see. That's gotta be dodgy.


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Old 7th Nov 2009, 13:29
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Why? They are self employed and type rating is an expense.
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Old 7th Nov 2009, 13:56
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VAT Reclaim

Perfectly normal procedure. Just a bit drawn out from those I know that have done it.

A VAT reclaim on training costs is permitted, you will need an accountant to arrange this and obvioulsy be already set up as a Ltd company with a registered VAT number. I am told evidence of trading in the particular business which you are reclaiming the VAT against must also be supplied. It all goes through a verification process involving yourself (your company), your accountant and the TRTO. CAE in the Netherlands actually supply the necessary forms and provide the relative contacts within the Revenue and Customs department in Holland.
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