Ryanair TR Funding
WWW - if only people would listen to your sage words of advice!
Unfortunately, there seems a never ending supply of lemmings ready and willing to indebt themselves!
Rob
Unfortunately, there seems a never ending supply of lemmings ready and willing to indebt themselves!
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haha bignumber that is true bud.. altho here is an interesting fact there is a new irish licence out and its ironically blue/navy a bit smaller and quite nice actually... its been phased out as you are due a renewal etc.. couple my buddie got it.. ironic i know..
rob lemmings willing to indebt themselves?
rob lemmings willing to indebt themselves?
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I think the one certainty is that this scheme is here to stay, its been in place for years now. In actual fact its better paid during line training now than it used to be.
Whats also certain is that there will be no shortage of newbies lining up to join, what with the promise of a shiny new jet and a decent salary WHEN flying.
They will also be happy with the BRK contract, never having experienced proper treatment from another airline. When they finally do, it will be because they have left and another newbie will be lining up to take their place.
I am neither for nor against this scheme, what i am against is people charging headlong into this without doing any research and potentially putting themselves into a financial checkmate.
Those paddies are a clever bunch really, you've got to hand it to them.
Whats also certain is that there will be no shortage of newbies lining up to join, what with the promise of a shiny new jet and a decent salary WHEN flying.
They will also be happy with the BRK contract, never having experienced proper treatment from another airline. When they finally do, it will be because they have left and another newbie will be lining up to take their place.
I am neither for nor against this scheme, what i am against is people charging headlong into this without doing any research and potentially putting themselves into a financial checkmate.
Those paddies are a clever bunch really, you've got to hand it to them.
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Eagerbeaver, sorry for the late response, I have been busy with work (not as a pilot). You were being arrogant - cutting in to the debate and casting your opinion as if it is the final word on the matter. You clearly have a god complex.
In your opinion.
No.
Yes - I can assure you.
Yes and finished it.
There is no such thing. Yes I have a CPL/IR with ATPL, MCC, JOC.
Are you stupid? And how would it qualify me if I had or hadn't?
Clearly you can't understand words of more than one syllable. I have applied but not done the selection. Would I pay for the TR when I already have one? No so pointless but I applied none the less. Throw enough **** and some of it will stick and all that.
Yeah I did this weird thing to fund my training that it would appear most wouldn't have thought of and did something called work.
Yeah you say alot of thing, most based upon assumptions or gut feelings and all of them are throw away, only to be supported by your fellow job buyers.
You didn't make a point, you displayed no evidence whatsoever. I must say though I would find that odd too, like I did with Reluctant 737 and command b et al. Nice pun there, the tax payers money really paid of for your education.
I wonder, eagerbeaver, if you'd have been an airline pilot if you hadn't paid for the job? Two failed BA selections would say possibly not. I don't like to be very personal about peoples performance (believe it or not) but since you insist upon going through my post history and attempting to take me apart, I'll offer the same. Since we are doing assumption, also, I'll assume that you 'were not successful' on the basis of personality and not flying ability - the filter with the large holes in the Ryanair selection according to previous posts and judging by the comments of some of the Ryanair posters who can't help but be subjective in an industry which demands objectivity.
WWW summed it up nicely when he said this little scheme is a pile of ****.
As for the 'who hates the beak' comments, I am surprised they were not deleted - how pathetic.
All you do is post rubbish.
Did you join the AAC?
Did you attend OAA or Cabair?
Did you start your CPL/IR?
Have you received your FATPL?
Have you applied to an airline?
Have you applied to Ryanair?
Have you attempted to find a way of funding a type-rating?
I would say no.
My point being, I find it odd when someone with no knowledge or experience of professional aviation sticks his beak in.
I wonder, eagerbeaver, if you'd have been an airline pilot if you hadn't paid for the job? Two failed BA selections would say possibly not. I don't like to be very personal about peoples performance (believe it or not) but since you insist upon going through my post history and attempting to take me apart, I'll offer the same. Since we are doing assumption, also, I'll assume that you 'were not successful' on the basis of personality and not flying ability - the filter with the large holes in the Ryanair selection according to previous posts and judging by the comments of some of the Ryanair posters who can't help but be subjective in an industry which demands objectivity.
WWW summed it up nicely when he said this little scheme is a pile of ****.
As for the 'who hates the beak' comments, I am surprised they were not deleted - how pathetic.
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Airbusfreak Irish license are actually black. Got some new swanky ones! Must say 100 times nicer & smaller than those big plastic white pieces of s***! But it is a joke that CAA license have to be converted. Maybe there is a reason I don't know about - But for now it seems to me it's money money money!
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Ok, I hardly ever post of PPrune but I feel compelled - for some reason. Firstly, I am a RYR cadet, due to start soon and I'm more than happy to admit that. I like RYR as a company and know several ex-Oxford people (yes, I'm one of "those" as well) who now fly for them and they're very happy to do so. They get paid every month, about three times more than I've been earning selling insurance on the phone for the last seven months - and they enjoy it. Fine, it's costing us an arm and a leg to do it, but ask yourself this, what would it cost us not to do it? By the time you factor in the difference in earnings for the next two years and the cost of keeping relatively current (IR Renewal etc) you come to a similarly large figure! The fact is that although I respect the opinions of TheBeak and WWW (the latter being slightly more sane than the former) I still come to the conclusion that it's the best option available - I'm over a barrel either way - and I accept that! That's the point.
The problem I find on here is that PPrune is very bad at supporting people - like captain_rossco said, it's a soapbox for those who see it as their mission to "inform" us newbies of greener pastures elsewhere - the problem is, these pastures are not accessible, so frankly they might as well not be there. There's no point trying to stop us going to Ryanair (and that IS what it basically boils down to) because Ryanair is the only option for us - we do not have a choice.
WWW I welcome your balanced comments, I'm not saying don't have a debate, just please, everyone, for the sake of the hordes of people who may read all this as gospel and be put off from a career in flying as a result, don't post negative comments and dress them up as "being realistic"- that's a subjective term anyway, what's realistic to you might be total boll*cks to someone else - you know who you are. Crew rooms in my experience (mostly student crew rooms!) are wonderfully supportive places where people bend over backwards to help out when you need some help and advice, can't we make PPrune just as supportive?
Anyway, here endeth the lesson. Be happy people, life is short.
The problem I find on here is that PPrune is very bad at supporting people - like captain_rossco said, it's a soapbox for those who see it as their mission to "inform" us newbies of greener pastures elsewhere - the problem is, these pastures are not accessible, so frankly they might as well not be there. There's no point trying to stop us going to Ryanair (and that IS what it basically boils down to) because Ryanair is the only option for us - we do not have a choice.
WWW I welcome your balanced comments, I'm not saying don't have a debate, just please, everyone, for the sake of the hordes of people who may read all this as gospel and be put off from a career in flying as a result, don't post negative comments and dress them up as "being realistic"- that's a subjective term anyway, what's realistic to you might be total boll*cks to someone else - you know who you are. Crew rooms in my experience (mostly student crew rooms!) are wonderfully supportive places where people bend over backwards to help out when you need some help and advice, can't we make PPrune just as supportive?
Anyway, here endeth the lesson. Be happy people, life is short.
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thebeak - So what are you saying?
I don't have what it takes to get into BA? I clearly do not - and it is quite disappointing.
However ATPL is an informal term widely used, we all know that.
To conclude; you don't have what it takes to even get into Ryanair - so where does that put you on the pole?
I bet you have applied though beaky...
I don't have what it takes to get into BA? I clearly do not - and it is quite disappointing.
However ATPL is an informal term widely used, we all know that.
To conclude; you don't have what it takes to even get into Ryanair - so where does that put you on the pole?
I bet you have applied though beaky...
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Well put barnaby and good luck Imperium in joining FR, as barnaby says, it's one of the best places to start out - certainly not a poor relation to BA et al. as some people make out. Well, back to the manuals for me....
it's one of the best places to start out - certainly not a poor relation to BA et al.
Seriously guys, we are joining Ryanair... go cry somewhere else. This thread is for people joining Ryanair, you will not stop us.
It is absurd to suggest to anyone that letting an excellent flying opportunity such as FR pass by is preferable to accepting it
In no other airline will a Pilot gain as many hours a year
with a stable roster pattern and therefore a life that they can plan.
It is my honest belief that FR is the best place for a flight school graduate to cut their teeth in this industry.
I'll be happy to take my own food to work in the knowledge that the company is operating with no wastages or unneccessary costs
You're being delusional and narcissistic.
And that's being generous.
IF you can hear me over the roaring laughter emanating from Ryanair HQ as Michael reads this thread through tears of laughter..
Firstly, as I have said many times on many threads over many months, the Ryanair deal is the best option as its pretty much the only option out there. I've also said that as long as the airline keeps giving your hours then you may recoup your spending and may get a full time contract and spend your career there.
Secondly, PPRuNe isn't here particularly to support you. You're about to embark on a £33k SSTR and start airline flying so you're barely a Wannabe any more. You've made your bed to lie in and I'm damned if I'm going to feel any compunction about warning those behind you about what a flee infested rickety one it is.
Thirdly, you may be sadly mistaken to think you're buying yourself a job in exchange for £33k. There is nothing to stop you being put onto Brookfield and then given an hour a month, here and there, out of any base, until you get tired of it and move over to be replaced by the next bunch of cheque waiving queue jumpers. Expansion plans ain't set in stone and as a Brooky you've got 24 hours notice to collect your empty water bottles, hand back your ID and walk off into the night.
You're so puffed up and excited you think I'm trying to persuade you to change your mind. I'm not. I care as little about you and your career as Michael O Leary does (believe me, that's bordering on the unmeasurable). What I do care for are the people behind you, often way behind you, who don't really understand where the current state of play is when it comes to the SSTR option. I'm just as scathing of CTC and their marketing sleight of hand as they continue to recruit for the Wings scheme.
Good luck, be interesting to know how your views change after a year or so when the novelty of the jet has worn off. And it will.
WWW
Seriously guys, we are joining Ryanair... go cry somewhere else. This thread is for people joining Ryanair, you will not stop us.
It is absurd to suggest to anyone that letting an excellent flying opportunity such as FR pass by is preferable to accepting it
In no other airline will a Pilot gain as many hours a year
with a stable roster pattern and therefore a life that they can plan.
It is my honest belief that FR is the best place for a flight school graduate to cut their teeth in this industry.
I'll be happy to take my own food to work in the knowledge that the company is operating with no wastages or unneccessary costs
You're being delusional and narcissistic.
And that's being generous.
IF you can hear me over the roaring laughter emanating from Ryanair HQ as Michael reads this thread through tears of laughter..
Firstly, as I have said many times on many threads over many months, the Ryanair deal is the best option as its pretty much the only option out there. I've also said that as long as the airline keeps giving your hours then you may recoup your spending and may get a full time contract and spend your career there.
Secondly, PPRuNe isn't here particularly to support you. You're about to embark on a £33k SSTR and start airline flying so you're barely a Wannabe any more. You've made your bed to lie in and I'm damned if I'm going to feel any compunction about warning those behind you about what a flee infested rickety one it is.
Thirdly, you may be sadly mistaken to think you're buying yourself a job in exchange for £33k. There is nothing to stop you being put onto Brookfield and then given an hour a month, here and there, out of any base, until you get tired of it and move over to be replaced by the next bunch of cheque waiving queue jumpers. Expansion plans ain't set in stone and as a Brooky you've got 24 hours notice to collect your empty water bottles, hand back your ID and walk off into the night.
You're so puffed up and excited you think I'm trying to persuade you to change your mind. I'm not. I care as little about you and your career as Michael O Leary does (believe me, that's bordering on the unmeasurable). What I do care for are the people behind you, often way behind you, who don't really understand where the current state of play is when it comes to the SSTR option. I'm just as scathing of CTC and their marketing sleight of hand as they continue to recruit for the Wings scheme.
Good luck, be interesting to know how your views change after a year or so when the novelty of the jet has worn off. And it will.
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They spend; and, along with MOL, I am enormously glad they do. It gets them hours, keeps them away from Biz Jets, and subs LOCO fares to sunny destinations for the rest of us.
I would do exactly the same thing if I was armed with a Blue Book and constantly having to swerve the 'sniggering' employment questions of the 'friends of the family'!
I agree that WWW is quite correct in his assertion that BRK really should guarantee a minimum number of hours in their FR contract. Surely this shouldn't be so hard to do given the rising demand for FR's product. Without this 'safe-guard' an infinite number of 'opportunities' could be said to exist and the hours would ultimately drop as more eager dowry's are paid. It would be rather akin to a pyramid sale, each 'dowry' subs those above, until the whole scheme tumbles.
As already numerously stated. I am am a huge fan of FR and BRK. I hope that all Wannabes get their chance to join, and share in the kudos.
I would do exactly the same thing if I was armed with a Blue Book and constantly having to swerve the 'sniggering' employment questions of the 'friends of the family'!
I agree that WWW is quite correct in his assertion that BRK really should guarantee a minimum number of hours in their FR contract. Surely this shouldn't be so hard to do given the rising demand for FR's product. Without this 'safe-guard' an infinite number of 'opportunities' could be said to exist and the hours would ultimately drop as more eager dowry's are paid. It would be rather akin to a pyramid sale, each 'dowry' subs those above, until the whole scheme tumbles.
As already numerously stated. I am am a huge fan of FR and BRK. I hope that all Wannabes get their chance to join, and share in the kudos.
dick - if they've got the disposable income and want to utilise their licenses then sure they should. If they have to take on yet more debt then the sums are more difficult. Taking the existing debt repayments for their CPL/IR and adding £33k plus interest to them might mean they would be netting an annual loss working for RYR on a BRK contract. At which point you're working for the devil and not even making any money doing it.
Its Hobsons choice.
I just want people to be aware who haven't YET put themselves in the position of making this choice what it is.
WWW
Its Hobsons choice.
I just want people to be aware who haven't YET put themselves in the position of making this choice what it is.
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Mol has left anyone who has completed flight training no choice but to apply if they can get access to the money
However, that is unpalatable to many, as they view it as more outlay for no return and no career development (understandable to a point) However, as WWW points out, BRK contracts offer zero stability and if the music rapidly stopped (perhaps the only way it would) at FR, then there would be a pile of very unhappy recently TR'd guys out on their ear. So, IMHO, its a calculated risk either way.
Its natural and logical to want a return on your investment. I am just not sure that increasing your debt burden with zero promise of sustained employment is any more beneficial than waiting patiently (but resourcefully and still committed to the long term cause) on the sidelines.
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Finals19,
Splendid words of advice but perhaps you have missed the point?
Kudos, glamour, and social admiration. Frankly, I need some 'gold bars'.
ALL my Mum and Dads friends know that I was away to "Train as an Airline Pilot". It was a proud boast. Indeed, at many social gatherings I have been questioned on the idiosyncracies of modern jet flying. I have been delighted to elucidate!
How are we going to recover from the social indignity of only flying for fun in a little Cessna from a grass strip. We'll be the laughing stock! It's not like we'd been keeping my outstanding progress at Oxford a secret is it?!
Faced with these stark choices, the requisite funding to elevate my flying into its rightful place has been secured. No bank loans required!
Splendid words of advice but perhaps you have missed the point?
Kudos, glamour, and social admiration. Frankly, I need some 'gold bars'.
ALL my Mum and Dads friends know that I was away to "Train as an Airline Pilot". It was a proud boast. Indeed, at many social gatherings I have been questioned on the idiosyncracies of modern jet flying. I have been delighted to elucidate!
How are we going to recover from the social indignity of only flying for fun in a little Cessna from a grass strip. We'll be the laughing stock! It's not like we'd been keeping my outstanding progress at Oxford a secret is it?!
Faced with these stark choices, the requisite funding to elevate my flying into its rightful place has been secured. No bank loans required!
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LMFAO!! 
The comic irony in your post brings a smile to my face.
Gold Bars, Di Caprio-esque Airline Pilot scenes and kudos (i.e. professional recognition!) in MOL / FR world?.....naahhhh!
The comic irony in your post brings a smile to my face. Gold Bars, Di Caprio-esque Airline Pilot scenes and kudos (i.e. professional recognition!) in MOL / FR world?.....naahhhh!
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The only minor flaw in my otherwise expeditious journey to 'the crew bus', via Wensums, is FR's tardiness in getting me on the TR.
Do you think if my parents offered a premium rate 'Dowry', akin to 'speedy boarding', things might be rushed along? I mean fair's fair. Or is that fare, I just can't tell anymore!
Do you think if my parents offered a premium rate 'Dowry', akin to 'speedy boarding', things might be rushed along? I mean fair's fair. Or is that fare, I just can't tell anymore!
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Just thought that i needed to point out something to those who keep quoting this magic "£33k" figure to everyone.
The course price is 27,500 euros not including VAT(this can be claimed back, process apparently takes 6ish months)
So by todays exchange rate thats £24,874 in FR's pocket not £33k that those certain regular members seem to keep quoting.
I just felt that that should be cleared up, im not here for a debate. I just feel that before people express their views they should do some research.
Skyhigh
The course price is 27,500 euros not including VAT(this can be claimed back, process apparently takes 6ish months)
So by todays exchange rate thats £24,874 in FR's pocket not £33k that those certain regular members seem to keep quoting.
I just felt that that should be cleared up, im not here for a debate. I just feel that before people express their views they should do some research.
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Vat Reclaim?
It's a big help at the moment if indeed this can be done.Does the apply though to cadets undertaking the training at East Midlands or only in Amsterdam?
How long has this been possible for? Seems to me there will be a lot of candidates who went through CAE before, who wern't told about this and spend about 5 grand more than they needed to! I would be well p***** off!!
Jimmy
How long has this been possible for? Seems to me there will be a lot of candidates who went through CAE before, who wern't told about this and spend about 5 grand more than they needed to! I would be well p***** off!!
Jimmy