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this is just the point.the effect on others.i fail to see how someone is an independent adult if they are relying on mummy and daddys money to pay their way.why are these people unable to make it on their own?why do my terms have to be reduce because of these people
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As I have said before, I am not and I know of many other people who are not relying on their parents money! I have been honest with what I am doing and would be greatful if you didn't tar everyone with the same brush! It's never facts just what you personaly believe. I have looked for jobs over and over again, I have applied to just about every company under the sun. For me however RYR was at the top of my list, you can ask my class mates, when asked who do you want to work for it was RYR! The beak is one of the holding pools you are in British airways by any chance? I would believe that someone in that hold pool may be the delusional one? Just my opinion based on no facts! SoundS familiar doesn't it!
My point is I have decided to join RYR after weighing up all the pros and cons based on my personal position in my life at this moment in time, so who the he'll are any of you to tell me otherwise! You are worried about your future and how us SSTR folk may be spoiling it for you, but note you don't give a rats arse what's going to happen to us who haven't flown for two years with numerous IR renewals. Where would that money be coming from....... Their mum and dad, so why's the difference between them spending the money now or over the course of two years keeping up hours and ratings?
My point is I have decided to join RYR after weighing up all the pros and cons based on my personal position in my life at this moment in time, so who the he'll are any of you to tell me otherwise! You are worried about your future and how us SSTR folk may be spoiling it for you, but note you don't give a rats arse what's going to happen to us who haven't flown for two years with numerous IR renewals. Where would that money be coming from....... Their mum and dad, so why's the difference between them spending the money now or over the course of two years keeping up hours and ratings?
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so in effect dick you know roughly about as much as me then. As what you receive from your family i get through close friends working there.second hand info.correct?
thanks for answering one of my questions but how about the rest then?what is 24k per annum which no benefits worth aspiring too
seeing as im an uneducated school boy who talks rubbish.educate me.which parts of my post were rubbish so far.
i respect you have an opinion on ryr, but so do i.im interested in how you view my response to your post
thanks for answering one of my questions but how about the rest then?what is 24k per annum which no benefits worth aspiring too
seeing as im an uneducated school boy who talks rubbish.educate me.which parts of my post were rubbish so far.
i respect you have an opinion on ryr, but so do i.im interested in how you view my response to your post
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How will you feel when they drop you after the summer when your temp contract expires?
23K for 6 months work and earn approx 1K per month on a 'Pay as You Fly' basis. May as well pay them for the line training and first 500 hours too while you are bending over the desk boy.
Then while your card is out, swipe for the HOTAC, Positioning, CAA fees, Medical, Uniform, Water, Crew Food, Headset, Surgey for a Collapsed Sphincter, Car Parking, Security Checks and Pass.
Oh ! I think you do already for most.
Great deal!
23K for 6 months work and earn approx 1K per month on a 'Pay as You Fly' basis. May as well pay them for the line training and first 500 hours too while you are bending over the desk boy.
Then while your card is out, swipe for the HOTAC, Positioning, CAA fees, Medical, Uniform, Water, Crew Food, Headset, Surgey for a Collapsed Sphincter, Car Parking, Security Checks and Pass.
Oh ! I think you do already for most.
Great deal!
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tommyg no one denies you are entitled to your opinion.im merely curious as to how you arrived at your opinion
how did you weigh up the pros and cons and decide that ryr was a good idea.
as regards mum and dad paying for someones ir renewals?they didnt pay for mine so why would that even enter your thought process.this is part of the argument,by involving your parents finances the industry is being destroyed
im not just worried about you spoiling it for me,your spoiling it for yourself too.we are all pilots.we will suffer together as a consequence of these decisions.that means you also.you tell me now where you aspire to be in 5 years time?ryr again
when you were training why did you want to fly for ryr.so out of ba and their varied fleet,aer lingus,emirates with the a380 etc. you wanted to fly for ryr,who charge for the tr,offer no security whatsoever, have a ceo who is open about his dislike for pilots and their profession,no lol,pension,sick pay,holiday pay i could go on.why did you want to fly for ryr
as for calling people in ba hold pool dellusional.how do you reach this conclusion.ba have some serious aircraft orders in, and while its not in the best shape now 18 months time it could be very different.should get beak in then, he would have a free tr, paid from day one, a salary scale thats tops out at £150k,pension,lol,sick pay,great staff travel i could go on.how is this dellusional?
how did you weigh up the pros and cons and decide that ryr was a good idea.
as regards mum and dad paying for someones ir renewals?they didnt pay for mine so why would that even enter your thought process.this is part of the argument,by involving your parents finances the industry is being destroyed
im not just worried about you spoiling it for me,your spoiling it for yourself too.we are all pilots.we will suffer together as a consequence of these decisions.that means you also.you tell me now where you aspire to be in 5 years time?ryr again
when you were training why did you want to fly for ryr.so out of ba and their varied fleet,aer lingus,emirates with the a380 etc. you wanted to fly for ryr,who charge for the tr,offer no security whatsoever, have a ceo who is open about his dislike for pilots and their profession,no lol,pension,sick pay,holiday pay i could go on.why did you want to fly for ryr
as for calling people in ba hold pool dellusional.how do you reach this conclusion.ba have some serious aircraft orders in, and while its not in the best shape now 18 months time it could be very different.should get beak in then, he would have a free tr, paid from day one, a salary scale thats tops out at £150k,pension,lol,sick pay,great staff travel i could go on.how is this dellusional?
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I have applied to just about every company under the sun
if thats what your asking Blackred.
Yes I think that is what you're referring to Blackred.
To quote Bealzebub, who has apparently 'got it in one' despite the numerous (not one) posts he/she has made on the subject which have oscillated about a fairly reasonable median (and have added great value I might add):
How does the construction of a sentence make your message better understood and readable? How is punctuation properly employed?
Taking a little time to read and then think, rather than simply react, is not only good training, but would move this discussion forward significantly.
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How did I get to my decision? Well I was bloody realistic! Right hand seat if an emirates a380 after 200 hours! Not too shabby! From looking at all the companies who were hiring even 2 years ago, RYR was close to the top, heard any complaint? No! Yes the terms now have changed however they still are alot better than what I am doing now! I have no sick pay I don't get food or water and I am stood up to my thighs in pig crap all day repairing plastic tears! This is why for me who has saved up the majority of the money Ryr is better as it is what I want to do with same terms as what I have been used to most of my life as a student working part time! This is probably why we won't see eye to eye, you have had a taste of the lush grass of sick pay and not paying for everything but for the likes if me I haven't! As I said I pay for everything now including my fricking uniform etc!
The ba thing was me just showing that I too can spurt useless crap! But seriously some if those guys gave been in the hold pool for over a year and won't see any sign of action for a while, let's be honest!
Who is going to pay for someoneS IR renewal, they can't afford the money it takes to keep current plus the fees on a bar mans wage, that's including the first one being in the sim. Just think about in two years time when they have to do it in a plane! Two years wihout flying a Seneca say, you will need a few refreshers plus the test, it all mounts up and unless you were a professional before you started flying you will struggle to find work, just as I did! If they are then living at home with their parents they are then relying on them but just it a different way.
The ba thing was me just showing that I too can spurt useless crap! But seriously some if those guys gave been in the hold pool for over a year and won't see any sign of action for a while, let's be honest!
Who is going to pay for someoneS IR renewal, they can't afford the money it takes to keep current plus the fees on a bar mans wage, that's including the first one being in the sim. Just think about in two years time when they have to do it in a plane! Two years wihout flying a Seneca say, you will need a few refreshers plus the test, it all mounts up and unless you were a professional before you started flying you will struggle to find work, just as I did! If they are then living at home with their parents they are then relying on them but just it a different way.
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Curious
I'm curious - given the number of recruits from Ryr year on year, I don't actually recall a glut of guys coming back on here after 12 months to say they have been let go.
Is this a general myth or does it happen in large volume but the disaffected keep their heads down after the event?
Is this a general myth or does it happen in large volume but the disaffected keep their heads down after the event?
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sorry wires crossed on the emirates thing you said
'For me however RYR was at the top of my list, you can ask my class mates, when asked who do you want to work for it was RYR'
i thought you meant your life long dream was to be a ryr pilot for the rest of your days,crossed wired.
as regards the degraded terms, just because you have never had sick pay doesnt make it bad.if you trained to be a pilot so you can have a 'career'...then dont let someone degrade your dreams t&c.thats what ryr do.the issue i have that by paying ryr for tr you help support a company that wants to destroy this career...thats all.in five years time i bet you would like a nice job that offers security..will ryr do this?doubt it
as regards your thighs and the pig crap.hope its not a physical relationship!!is this a hobby??!
as for the ba thing who knows what will happen.
'For me however RYR was at the top of my list, you can ask my class mates, when asked who do you want to work for it was RYR'
i thought you meant your life long dream was to be a ryr pilot for the rest of your days,crossed wired.
as regards the degraded terms, just because you have never had sick pay doesnt make it bad.if you trained to be a pilot so you can have a 'career'...then dont let someone degrade your dreams t&c.thats what ryr do.the issue i have that by paying ryr for tr you help support a company that wants to destroy this career...thats all.in five years time i bet you would like a nice job that offers security..will ryr do this?doubt it
as regards your thighs and the pig crap.hope its not a physical relationship!!is this a hobby??!
as for the ba thing who knows what will happen.
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Yes wires crossed! Not a problem! Ofcourse I would love to fly for some big company, however at the moment that's not possible and won't be for a while. One day in the next decade or so!
Take care,
Honestly thankyou for the constructive critisism, it's alltaken on board.
Happy landings.
Take care,
Honestly thankyou for the constructive critisism, it's alltaken on board.
Happy landings.
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Well with the clocks going back an hour and only having 'the dole' to support me I can't afford to have the lights on and use the internet. And at the moment I am having to respond to you so, as a result, I am in a dark place.
Believe me, I am a pretty happy person, so don't feel sad.
Believe me, I am a pretty happy person, so don't feel sad.
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Thank you Dick, for the record I am not on the dole, I have been, but I am not now and haven't been for a fair while now. I don't wish it on any professinally qualified person. Thanks for your well wishing, I do appreciate it and I offer the very best to you too. I would be over joyed to captain a Ryanair aircraft, provided I don't have to pay at any point to do so and provided, unless there are no other options, they offer me a permanant contract. Why wouldn't I? They have a huge route structure, a lovely aircraft and a wide and varied work force that would be an interest every day to meet. But that doesn't detract from the extremely high risk situation people are putting themselves into to get a rolling one month contract, for hour by hour pay, no perks, no respect and all because they can't be bothered to wait and because most can get the money very easily from their dearest loved ones. Comparing the trainees from a year or two ago to people embarking on the TR now are two very different things. The two will have very different luck I believe. As I have maintained all along, the economy and the airline industry have huge amounts of inertia and I honestly believe there are a few nasty latent effects heading the way of the low houred FR brookies. No one wishes it. These 'effects' may be modest and tame at first (over a 6-12 month span) for example a basing in Serbia but it will end out with you guys and girls being offered 20 hours a month. Nothing is limitless. If they keep on going, something will give. The bigger they get, the harder they fall.
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I speak for everyone when I say i dont think any Ryanair pilot wants to see you near a Ryanair cockpit.I can only imagine how ignorant you would be to the cadet in the right hand seat.That news story last week of the aircraft with the two pilot pilots fighting springs to mind....
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The beak is a fraud like thousands of other people who post here.
If you want to join Ryanair, then do so. It is your life and you only get one chance.
I have not heard of any cadets being binned after 23 months.
Do not believe half the rubbish you read here about any job.
Beaky - please find something more constructive to do in your considerable free time rather than whip up an argument here.
If you want to join Ryanair, then do so. It is your life and you only get one chance.
I have not heard of any cadets being binned after 23 months.
Do not believe half the rubbish you read here about any job.
Beaky - please find something more constructive to do in your considerable free time rather than whip up an argument here.
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When I say big airline I mean one that does a vast amount of differing length routes, eg medium and long haul, you have to think about the future and an upgrade in the Boeing family would be ideal! So hopefully RYR will go long haul like planned then there will be no need to move airlines in 15 years or so! Who knows I may even change my mind and prefer short haul, but until I try it I really can't say! Who knows what the world may bring? Do you yourself have any ideas, suggestions or advice?
Thankyou in advance,
Tommy
Thankyou in advance,
Tommy
If the Ryanair deal wasn't £33k and if it led to a full time contract I'd be heartily instead of resignedly recommending people apply for it.
But that is a massive, ten storey, backlit, neon edged IF.
If I put my MOL hat on for a moment my plan would be this.
* Lets start selling a SSTR/line flying product, lets say charge twice the normal cost to allow for a suitable margin.
* If they have a pulse, a license, a cheque for £33k and can pass a basic sim assessment - that'll do.
* We need some fresh blood to occupy the RHS anyway as we're expanding. If we stop then these people can be just switched off as they're just Brookfield contractors.
* If the SSTR/line flying product proves really popular and really profitable then we'll take shedloads and just shove people onto Brookfield contracts and give them such little work they either starve or leave to pack boxes in a factory, or jump off a bridge, or whatever.
So you can see the risk either too many people willing to hand over £33k, or, a slowdown, halt or retraction in the size of the fleet and you've paid your money in order to be a Brooky being offered 2 sectors a month.
That would hurt.
WWW
But that is a massive, ten storey, backlit, neon edged IF.
If I put my MOL hat on for a moment my plan would be this.
* Lets start selling a SSTR/line flying product, lets say charge twice the normal cost to allow for a suitable margin.
* If they have a pulse, a license, a cheque for £33k and can pass a basic sim assessment - that'll do.
* We need some fresh blood to occupy the RHS anyway as we're expanding. If we stop then these people can be just switched off as they're just Brookfield contractors.
* If the SSTR/line flying product proves really popular and really profitable then we'll take shedloads and just shove people onto Brookfield contracts and give them such little work they either starve or leave to pack boxes in a factory, or jump off a bridge, or whatever.
So you can see the risk either too many people willing to hand over £33k, or, a slowdown, halt or retraction in the size of the fleet and you've paid your money in order to be a Brooky being offered 2 sectors a month.
That would hurt.
WWW
