Anyone on here actually recruit for airlines
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I recruit for a biz jet operator. We are currently recruiting FO's and I look for those with a 1000hrs TT. I am not sure what the airlines require but it has always seemed to me that hours help. I would also be reluctant to but a type without a guarenteed job as their are many type rated pilots around. We are a low profile company but we still currently recieve 150 cv's a week.
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WWW if you are tired of stating your point then why bother posting that remark? In fact, as moderator of the forum, why don't you close this thread or the entire forum down if you feel that way?
There are always going to be new guys asking questions on this forum who naturally don't have anywhere near the exposure to or longevity in the industry that you have. Don't you think it would be more mature to allow those who are willing to offer a modicum of encouragement to do so without weighting these threads with your persistent dismissal?
I sympathise with the original poster's position. Most of us have been there in the early stages of our careers. The majority of replies are regrettably true; I'd guess nothing is going to happen for you in employment for at least three years yet. It's a rotten time for an hours-builder or integrated / modular student.
As someone who used to interview pilots for a UK airline, I always rated currency of flying and a job in an aviation environment or similar as showing willingness to persevere. Among important other factors, this deserved reward of a job but it was entirely dependant on what kind of pilot we needed at the time (fast track command or shortage of FOs etc.) Believe me it was not always prudent for us in what was a turboprop company to hire redundant medium jet pilots for example as their potential length of service was unlikely to be relied upon as worthwhile; however in some circumstances hiring them had obvious other benefits. Please also don't be overwhelmed in to thinking all turboprop airlines "prefer" flying instructors. Some years ago I recall the Chief Pilot and I passing over two FIs in favour of someone with less hours who actually flunked many of the technical questions but acted maturely and honourably at the close of interview. He was hired on the basis of his compliant and engaging personality and went on to shine as a First Officer. It's not critical to answer the tech questions correctly to succeed at interview!
If you have a logbook of adventurous cross country IMC flying or para dropping each of these carry their own merits. Bar those companies that stipulate a minimum, there is also more to hiring a new recruit than how many hours he has. Personality, appearance and life experience are also considered in the interview environment. Also, we considered integrated as well as modular trained pilots without bias. Each can carry their own benefits that I have observed over the years, but I digress..
MP mentions trying to find an aircraft operator that would appreciate a safety pilot; even if it's a light piston twin with its owner or a King Air or similar, doing some voluntary work like this is good advice. It keeps your awareness up and broadens your experience, even if you aren't able to log most of it. And having re-read your post Neil, yes... get a job at EMA doing anything aviation related. You may find you work your way around several companies locally as your face gets known. When I was 21 I was pulling pints and doing forestry work. Futile on reflection.
Keep your online applications to the various companies updated. The next few years will be unhappy for you if you are focussed purely on achieving a flying job; have a go at seeking work in airline Operations or handling agent dispatching; each have their benefits of keeping your face in the game and you will gain good knowledge of how airlines work, not least keep your dream alive. Start to get real that nothing is going to happen for a few years and the dream is more likely to come true. Get on with your life positively in the meantime, don't fall in to the trap of feeling sorry for yourself and revive this thread and shout it from the rooftops when you eventually get that job!
There are always going to be new guys asking questions on this forum who naturally don't have anywhere near the exposure to or longevity in the industry that you have. Don't you think it would be more mature to allow those who are willing to offer a modicum of encouragement to do so without weighting these threads with your persistent dismissal?
I sympathise with the original poster's position. Most of us have been there in the early stages of our careers. The majority of replies are regrettably true; I'd guess nothing is going to happen for you in employment for at least three years yet. It's a rotten time for an hours-builder or integrated / modular student.
As someone who used to interview pilots for a UK airline, I always rated currency of flying and a job in an aviation environment or similar as showing willingness to persevere. Among important other factors, this deserved reward of a job but it was entirely dependant on what kind of pilot we needed at the time (fast track command or shortage of FOs etc.) Believe me it was not always prudent for us in what was a turboprop company to hire redundant medium jet pilots for example as their potential length of service was unlikely to be relied upon as worthwhile; however in some circumstances hiring them had obvious other benefits. Please also don't be overwhelmed in to thinking all turboprop airlines "prefer" flying instructors. Some years ago I recall the Chief Pilot and I passing over two FIs in favour of someone with less hours who actually flunked many of the technical questions but acted maturely and honourably at the close of interview. He was hired on the basis of his compliant and engaging personality and went on to shine as a First Officer. It's not critical to answer the tech questions correctly to succeed at interview!
If you have a logbook of adventurous cross country IMC flying or para dropping each of these carry their own merits. Bar those companies that stipulate a minimum, there is also more to hiring a new recruit than how many hours he has. Personality, appearance and life experience are also considered in the interview environment. Also, we considered integrated as well as modular trained pilots without bias. Each can carry their own benefits that I have observed over the years, but I digress..
MP mentions trying to find an aircraft operator that would appreciate a safety pilot; even if it's a light piston twin with its owner or a King Air or similar, doing some voluntary work like this is good advice. It keeps your awareness up and broadens your experience, even if you aren't able to log most of it. And having re-read your post Neil, yes... get a job at EMA doing anything aviation related. You may find you work your way around several companies locally as your face gets known. When I was 21 I was pulling pints and doing forestry work. Futile on reflection.
Keep your online applications to the various companies updated. The next few years will be unhappy for you if you are focussed purely on achieving a flying job; have a go at seeking work in airline Operations or handling agent dispatching; each have their benefits of keeping your face in the game and you will gain good knowledge of how airlines work, not least keep your dream alive. Start to get real that nothing is going to happen for a few years and the dream is more likely to come true. Get on with your life positively in the meantime, don't fall in to the trap of feeling sorry for yourself and revive this thread and shout it from the rooftops when you eventually get that job!
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Instead of zipping around in a 152, why not move somewhere (like Africa) and fly a 206 around for a year? Your hours will build up, you'll do some awesome flying, have fun, improve your skills and get paid for it!!
Just a suggestion....
Just a suggestion....
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I would love to fly on a 206 in Africa but I have searched the whole web to find something, but there is nothing happening. If you have any suggestions can you please advise thanks
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Africa is not normally a place where you find a job "browsing the web". Get a ticket, a fancy backpack, a passport, a credit card and a few USD... And don't forget to bring the follwing too (essential).
- The right, open attitude.
It is always tough for 250 hours guys to get a job but right now, it is tougher so a "go getter" approach will just bring you where few others are. Then it is personality and persistance.
It might not sound like much but when you have not very much experience at all to offer, those a skills some employers (some good ones and bad ones alike) will consider more valuable than your lack of hours.
As for building time in a 152. Well, I'd say it is better than nothing but make sure you keep your IR current against 100s of hours on a 152 paid of your own pocket.
Good luck.
- The right, open attitude.
It is always tough for 250 hours guys to get a job but right now, it is tougher so a "go getter" approach will just bring you where few others are. Then it is personality and persistance.
It might not sound like much but when you have not very much experience at all to offer, those a skills some employers (some good ones and bad ones alike) will consider more valuable than your lack of hours.
As for building time in a 152. Well, I'd say it is better than nothing but make sure you keep your IR current against 100s of hours on a 152 paid of your own pocket.
Good luck.
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Hi,
I fly for an airline, I also recruit for an airline.
What is said on this forum is not always true, there are jobs out there, but its a slow tough market right now. However airplanes are still being delivered, in my airline alone we have 6-7 more to come in 2008.
Now our min hours are 1500 to fly A330/A340, but for every person we take, it leaves a gap further down the food chain.
I think patiences are the key, too many people think getting the ATPL is the hard part, but thats the easy bit, its joining the working club thats hard. Once your in, life is much easier.
Africa is a good idea right now, the UN are always a starter.
I wish you well.
BBB
I fly for an airline, I also recruit for an airline.
What is said on this forum is not always true, there are jobs out there, but its a slow tough market right now. However airplanes are still being delivered, in my airline alone we have 6-7 more to come in 2008.
Now our min hours are 1500 to fly A330/A340, but for every person we take, it leaves a gap further down the food chain.
I think patiences are the key, too many people think getting the ATPL is the hard part, but thats the easy bit, its joining the working club thats hard. Once your in, life is much easier.
Africa is a good idea right now, the UN are always a starter.
I wish you well.
BBB
