Advice after finishing training - what do I do next (Merged)
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Rather than dribble the same old bs about RYR get back to the original topic and quit bashing a company i presume youve never worked for?
I dont agree with the terms that new joiners are given and the costs associated it but right now (and the forseeable future) they are the only "next after flight school" option for newbees in europe.
Rather than dribble the same old bs about RYR get back to the original topic and quit bashing a company i presume youve never worked for?
I dont agree with the terms that new joiners are given and the costs associated it but right now (and the forseeable future) they are the only "next after flight school" option for newbees in europe.
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Guys,
Even if you have the money available after your (f)ATPL and are willing to take on all that being a Ryan cadet entails, dont assume that you will be given an assessment.
There are nothing like the same number of applicants getting into Ryan as there were a year or two ago. When I was busy with my PPL in 2007 several of the guys at my flight school were coming to the end of the IR. I know five of them applied to Ryan, those five are now on the line.
However, times change, I know of quite a few people (myself included) who applied earlier this year having completed MCC, only two of those applicants even got offered an assessment, one got offered a place on the course, the other didnt. Myself and quite a few others didnt even get the phonecall inviting us for interview, after we had been referred to Ryan via CAE.
In the current climate I really believe you need a certain degree of luck at the application stage as we certainly all had pretty similar training records (good pass rates/exam scores) and some got an interview but most of us didnt.
Six months on and an FI rating, still looking to earn my first penny from aviation as I sit typing this in my parents house (sold my house to pay for the (f)ATPL!)
Please dont pin all your hopes on a Ryan job or even an assessment after training. Even though its very tempting when you see your fellow training buddy's achieving what you worked just as hard for.
I'm hoping for some instructional work (currently on 'stand by' with my local school) then I can start building the elusive hours/experience, really looking forward to teaching and the challenges it will bring. I just want that initial break to get started.
Overall though, I really enjoyed all of the flight training, made some great friends in the process, but it has cost me more than I ever imagined and occasionally the feeling of regret does wash over me (especially regarding the financial aspect and future career prospects).
Its been a long slog, I just hope its worth it one day as the last six months havent been fun at all, despite keeping myself busy with some engineering work. Being obsessed with getting a flying job isnt very healthy and my personal life has suffered as a result. Once the euphoria of IR/CPL passes wear off, reality comes crashing down. There's no way I'm turning back now though.
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Even if you have the money available after your (f)ATPL and are willing to take on all that being a Ryan cadet entails, dont assume that you will be given an assessment.
There are nothing like the same number of applicants getting into Ryan as there were a year or two ago. When I was busy with my PPL in 2007 several of the guys at my flight school were coming to the end of the IR. I know five of them applied to Ryan, those five are now on the line.
However, times change, I know of quite a few people (myself included) who applied earlier this year having completed MCC, only two of those applicants even got offered an assessment, one got offered a place on the course, the other didnt. Myself and quite a few others didnt even get the phonecall inviting us for interview, after we had been referred to Ryan via CAE.
In the current climate I really believe you need a certain degree of luck at the application stage as we certainly all had pretty similar training records (good pass rates/exam scores) and some got an interview but most of us didnt.
Six months on and an FI rating, still looking to earn my first penny from aviation as I sit typing this in my parents house (sold my house to pay for the (f)ATPL!)
Please dont pin all your hopes on a Ryan job or even an assessment after training. Even though its very tempting when you see your fellow training buddy's achieving what you worked just as hard for.
I'm hoping for some instructional work (currently on 'stand by' with my local school) then I can start building the elusive hours/experience, really looking forward to teaching and the challenges it will bring. I just want that initial break to get started.
Overall though, I really enjoyed all of the flight training, made some great friends in the process, but it has cost me more than I ever imagined and occasionally the feeling of regret does wash over me (especially regarding the financial aspect and future career prospects).
Its been a long slog, I just hope its worth it one day as the last six months havent been fun at all, despite keeping myself busy with some engineering work. Being obsessed with getting a flying job isnt very healthy and my personal life has suffered as a result. Once the euphoria of IR/CPL passes wear off, reality comes crashing down. There's no way I'm turning back now though.
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Do it the other way around, if you must at all. Work, work and work for 5-10 years if you have to in order to do this course without taking a loan. You will thank yourself for the breathing space when you are all qualified with a £80K blue plastic book and not a sniff of a pilot job or even any job.
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How about...
How about this for an idea, we all hold hands, play nice, put our very educated and technically superior heads together and start our own airline?(!)
We could have terms and conditions that favour low hour pilots, paid-bonded type ratings, free food, uniforms, medicals and lots of time off to revel in our achievements..
In order to get this idea off the ground (pun intended) I vote that instead of letting fresh GCSE-waving wannabies give their money to the traditional outfits we coerce them into putting all their cash into a '787-purchase-fund-pool' and order a few wide bodies once we have enough of them sold on the idea.. (Pyramid scheme anyone?)
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At this point I would like to inform you that as a low hour pilot myself the whole situation has sent me somewhat delusional and I am starting to believe this will be the only way!
As for my real answer to the original question; work hard in any job you can get while still keeping current, then work harder making sure you keep reading your ATPL theory books and anything else you can get your hands on. Once you feel there is no hope then work harder still and do the above again and again and again and again..
I personally enjoy learning and don't see this as a chore - I have read most of the books I have cover to cover three times or more and have learned something new in each case (Even the comm's one!). I also do this so that when/if an interview does come up I don't have to panic-read all the stuff in 2 weeks and can spend the time more wisely on preparing myself for the other interview parts. Isn't this common sense? I think so.
No one is going to hand this dream over to me or anyone of us on a plate and I believe only the most determined and adaptable will succeed (eventually/hopefully!)
Air travel will not disappear but the role of a Pilot will change as the airlines have to combat all forms of new and old challenges, namely the environment, fierce competitiion, oil prices and its availability etc.. At the moment I think the only option I have is to practice what I preach.. Back to 'eye-tee' for me..
We could have terms and conditions that favour low hour pilots, paid-bonded type ratings, free food, uniforms, medicals and lots of time off to revel in our achievements..
In order to get this idea off the ground (pun intended) I vote that instead of letting fresh GCSE-waving wannabies give their money to the traditional outfits we coerce them into putting all their cash into a '787-purchase-fund-pool' and order a few wide bodies once we have enough of them sold on the idea.. (Pyramid scheme anyone?)
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At this point I would like to inform you that as a low hour pilot myself the whole situation has sent me somewhat delusional and I am starting to believe this will be the only way!
As for my real answer to the original question; work hard in any job you can get while still keeping current, then work harder making sure you keep reading your ATPL theory books and anything else you can get your hands on. Once you feel there is no hope then work harder still and do the above again and again and again and again..
I personally enjoy learning and don't see this as a chore - I have read most of the books I have cover to cover three times or more and have learned something new in each case (Even the comm's one!). I also do this so that when/if an interview does come up I don't have to panic-read all the stuff in 2 weeks and can spend the time more wisely on preparing myself for the other interview parts. Isn't this common sense? I think so.
No one is going to hand this dream over to me or anyone of us on a plate and I believe only the most determined and adaptable will succeed (eventually/hopefully!)
Air travel will not disappear but the role of a Pilot will change as the airlines have to combat all forms of new and old challenges, namely the environment, fierce competitiion, oil prices and its availability etc.. At the moment I think the only option I have is to practice what I preach.. Back to 'eye-tee' for me..
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hi mate
I think that your response is as to the point as it can get and I completely agree with you. I am 32 and got my PPL when I was 21 when the aviation idustry in Ausralia was very quiet. I refused to take out a massive debt only to not be guaranteed a job at the end. I have worked as a pharmacy assistant to earn the money and have got myself almost to the 200hr CPL level and am studying the ATPL theory exams. I was at all times aware of the simple forces of supply and demand and have seen this in action in the aviation industry. In Australia we have been lucky as we had a massive mining boom which has led to huge pilot demand in the general aviation industry (GA), not airlines. These are usually small Charter companies who fly tourists around and workers to mine sites. The financial crisis has had some impact but nowhere near as much as elsewhere in the world. Again I don't want to sound harsh but some of these boys need to realise that the word AIRLINE should not be in their vacabulary until they have about 1500hrs experience flying light aircraft in the hot desert with poor pay and working conditions. There you will have to deal with the real pressures of aviation such as dealing with passengers throwing up over you, aircraft breaking down, bosses forcing you to fly overweight, spending long hours waiting in 45C heat. In very simple terms an airline company will want pilots who are the cream of the crop and who have experiences that extend well beyond sitting in a SIM looking at dials, that is the minimum expectation. At my age I am hopeful but understand that airline captain is possible but unlikely given my current experience. I am looking to instructing to start with and see where the road takes me. Unless you are in an airline training program to start with or are recruited from the military I think you cant bypass the general aviation industry for all that critical experience that nothing else will give you, and that means accepting the conditions that I have described.
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The reality is that we have spent huge amounts of cash, for a paper that is worth basically nothing in the aviation industry! At least I didn't make any depts.... And if u think u can get a job as a cargo pilot somewhere in Africa or Asia like I did, u will soon wake up!! Without Hours and Typerating or good contacts your chances are basically ZERO.....
The only thing I noticed Jobhunting (Not even Aviation jobs) is that it is actually a disadvantage having a Frozen ATPL, if u are looking for regular jobs.
I was at an interview for a job as chauffeur for an Itallian diplomat (I'm Itillain too) (Really good pay and very few hours, probably better than a F/O job these days). Guess what they said:" You really fit into the profile, and we would have liked to offer you the job, but we don't know if we can count on you if u get a joboffer from an ariline. Therefore we decided to hire someone else...."
Now I have 2 diffrent CV's one for regular jobs and one for Aviation jobs... And still Jobless!!
The only thing I noticed Jobhunting (Not even Aviation jobs) is that it is actually a disadvantage having a Frozen ATPL, if u are looking for regular jobs.
I was at an interview for a job as chauffeur for an Itallian diplomat (I'm Itillain too) (Really good pay and very few hours, probably better than a F/O job these days). Guess what they said:" You really fit into the profile, and we would have liked to offer you the job, but we don't know if we can count on you if u get a joboffer from an ariline. Therefore we decided to hire someone else...."
Now I have 2 diffrent CV's one for regular jobs and one for Aviation jobs... And still Jobless!!
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it's all very well saying you haven't got a fATPL but what do you say if they ask you what you was doing for the last year or so?
i don't know if I am right because i haven't got any positive replies from jobs yet but i put down that I do have a fATPL but from that, i can bring many different skills which i had to prove to have in order to get the license.
i can't really think of anything else that would tell them something positive for having an 18 month blank on my cv.
i don't know if I am right because i haven't got any positive replies from jobs yet but i put down that I do have a fATPL but from that, i can bring many different skills which i had to prove to have in order to get the license.
i can't really think of anything else that would tell them something positive for having an 18 month blank on my cv.
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Well I didn't say it's good to leave a gap in your CV, but I for example did a modular course while going to uni (just didn't do many exams in that period), so I just put Uni for that time. I'm pretty sure I would have gotten the Job with just leaving the Pilot stuff away The problem is, there aren't even many regular jobs these days.... I must admit I really feel for those who finished their training with the banks money and have 40k plus debts and are standing there with completely empty hands now.... While they are in training a lot of guys are thinking:" I'll be fine, I'll go to Africa or middle east and fly some propeller planes for the beginning...." But thats just not realistic. I sent more than 150 CVS to Propeller and Turboprob Operators worldwide (Had all first time passes and 95% average on the ATPL exams). Didn't get a single Interview. I even called a lot of operators in Africa.... My mate travelled to Africa looking for bush pilot jobs and returned with empty hands. The problem is, most of the small prop charters are single pilot and they require Pilots with 1000 hours or more.... And don't forget that the economy is down there aswell! If u have contacts that might be a diffrent story.....
The problem is, there aren't even many regular jobs these days.... I must admit I really feel for those who finished their training with the banks money and have 40k plus debts and are standing there with completely empty hands now.... While they are in training a lot of guys are thinking:" I'll be fine, I'll go to Africa or middle east and fly some propeller planes for the beginning...." But thats just not realistic. I sent more than 150 CVS to Propeller and Turboprob Operators worldwide (Had all first time passes and 95% average on the ATPL exams). Didn't get a single Interview. I even called a lot of operators in Africa.... My mate travelled to Africa looking for bush pilot jobs and returned with empty hands. The problem is, most of the small prop charters are single pilot and they require Pilots with 1000 hours or more.... And don't forget that the economy is down there aswell! If u have contacts that might be a diffrent story.....
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Were you guys seriously expecting to go straight into an airline after training? Over here it has never worked that way and never will.
Hassle your local sky diving club or gliding club for some work to keep your hours ticking over. Get your instructors rating, find some students and work part time on weekends. Join the RAF or apply for a CX cadetship. Keep your instrument rating current. In the meantime find a real job to pay off the loans.
Aviation is a cut-throat industry and always has been. Only the very pro-active or very lucky will make it.
Good luck
Hassle your local sky diving club or gliding club for some work to keep your hours ticking over. Get your instructors rating, find some students and work part time on weekends. Join the RAF or apply for a CX cadetship. Keep your instrument rating current. In the meantime find a real job to pay off the loans.
Aviation is a cut-throat industry and always has been. Only the very pro-active or very lucky will make it.
Good luck
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With regard to the gaps in CV's and not being accepted for a job, you all need a dose of common dog! You never mention that you are qualified in some profession or other regardless of what it is, if you are not going for a job in that particular field! Do not even put any irrelevant skills or qualifications on your CV! A CV is tailord towards the particular role you are applying for! I have three of them at the moment!
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Guys, I understand where a lot of you are coming from in reference to how crap the job market is at the moment, but there are people who follow thier dreams no matter how hards its going to be, I dont think these people should be blasted quite so bad. Good on you I say.
I am such a person, im 30yrs old have run a succesfull buisness for the past 10yrs, which has given me a good life with nice perks, cars, holidays etc, but ever since ive been a lad ive wanted to be an airline pilot, and over the past few months that desire has got stronger and stronger, I know im running out of time to do it because of my age, so Im going for it and risking everything in the process, Im going into this with my eyes wide open I know it will more than likely end without a job, but I dont care, because for me living the rest of my life knowing I didnt attempt my dream will be a lot worst than picking up the pieces if chasing my dream goes wrong.
Im a firm believer in life you only regret the things you didnt do, not the things you did. In buisness ive made some monumental bad choices, but I dont regret them, as one or two of my decisions worked out.
Your a long time dead etc
I am such a person, im 30yrs old have run a succesfull buisness for the past 10yrs, which has given me a good life with nice perks, cars, holidays etc, but ever since ive been a lad ive wanted to be an airline pilot, and over the past few months that desire has got stronger and stronger, I know im running out of time to do it because of my age, so Im going for it and risking everything in the process, Im going into this with my eyes wide open I know it will more than likely end without a job, but I dont care, because for me living the rest of my life knowing I didnt attempt my dream will be a lot worst than picking up the pieces if chasing my dream goes wrong.
Im a firm believer in life you only regret the things you didnt do, not the things you did. In buisness ive made some monumental bad choices, but I dont regret them, as one or two of my decisions worked out.
Your a long time dead etc
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Some of the replies to the original thread cross the line between "cold hard reality" and "hostility". Is that appropriate? Take a deep breath before you reply 
For my tuppence worth...I would hope to tick the three necessary boxes as a wannabe:-
1) Optimistic - why else would you start down this road in the first place, at any time?
2) Realistic - my CPL/IR was completed Mar '09 and I don't expect a (flying) job this year or next.
3) Flexible - pay me (anything that is enough to cover rent, food & debt) and I will take any job, anywhere. At least until I am in a position to be more selective!
To the original poster (in the unlikely event he/she will ever be back...):-
Bad timing is better than no timing at all (i.e. not going for it if it is something you want to do), pay the debt off as best you can and fly, fly, fly in the mean time (it is supposed to be fun, remember!). Events beyond my control may conspire against me and I may never get a job to show for my £xxx outlay but I don't regret trying.
For my tuppence worth...I would hope to tick the three necessary boxes as a wannabe:-
1) Optimistic - why else would you start down this road in the first place, at any time?
2) Realistic - my CPL/IR was completed Mar '09 and I don't expect a (flying) job this year or next.
3) Flexible - pay me (anything that is enough to cover rent, food & debt) and I will take any job, anywhere. At least until I am in a position to be more selective!
To the original poster (in the unlikely event he/she will ever be back...):-
Bad timing is better than no timing at all (i.e. not going for it if it is something you want to do), pay the debt off as best you can and fly, fly, fly in the mean time (it is supposed to be fun, remember!). Events beyond my control may conspire against me and I may never get a job to show for my £xxx outlay but I don't regret trying.
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I'm not sure how to put this but reading this thread definitely put me back a bit however it definitely served its purpose, which was to give me a reality check!
Where I live, (Hong Kong) airlines and jobs are a rarity. I'm currently deciding on whether to pursue a SPL or PPL in Australia as the economy still seems uncertain. Hopefully when I have returned a try for a cadet position wont be so bad.
For all the other wannabes we can only put our best effort in and hope.
Where I live, (Hong Kong) airlines and jobs are a rarity. I'm currently deciding on whether to pursue a SPL or PPL in Australia as the economy still seems uncertain. Hopefully when I have returned a try for a cadet position wont be so bad.
For all the other wannabes we can only put our best effort in and hope.
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Just sit tight. That's what I and many others are doing, whilst at least trying to keep current.
Of course, you could spend your time getting more and more depressed by trawling through endless amounts of negativity, abuse and garbage on pprune
Of course, you could spend your time getting more and more depressed by trawling through endless amounts of negativity, abuse and garbage on pprune
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Well the world economy definately sucks for aviation right now and I know several thousand captains and FO's are furloughed because our sector took a hit, but at the same time I'm sure the reason some 5000hr airline pilots are still out of work is because they are picky. Not that it's a bad thing. I'm actually glad the entry level freight/life flight/corporate jobs are available to me and not the heavy drivers. So, thanks guys for not wanting to take a step back so that I can take one forward. If a 1500 hr CMEL/CFII such as myself can find work around the local airport(s) just by networking and sending out resumes there isn't much to say that a 200hr student can't find a job instructing if they motivated and flexible enough.
And as far as blasting this kid for not knowing what he was getting himself into... you people need to lighten up a bit. Or didn't you know that even seasoned veterans in aviation are not safe from an economic collapse... maybe you should have asked somebody about that before you got your PPL back in '95 when the market was strong...
And as far as blasting this kid for not knowing what he was getting himself into... you people need to lighten up a bit. Or didn't you know that even seasoned veterans in aviation are not safe from an economic collapse... maybe you should have asked somebody about that before you got your PPL back in '95 when the market was strong...
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Come on guys, give this kid a break.
If he 20 1/2 years old now, then he was 18 or 19 when he started his training. Agreed, he probably didn't do nearly enough research, or maybe he was blinkered and only saw potential in something he has probably wanted to do for most of his life.
The fact of the matter is my friend, you have come into the market at a very difficult time and you can't get disheartened. If you believe you will get a job, then eventually you will. Don't listen to all the negativity from everyone on here. Do you think Howard Schultz (Starbucks) listened to the 95% of businessmen who wouldn't invest in his coffee espresso shop in Seattle back in the 60's. Now look at him; extremely successful, and as a bonus, although not a reason you should do something, he is extremely wealthy.
I presume that as you are so young, you don't have a trade to fall back on. This is going to be an issue for you. If you had your parents fund your training, maybe that can afford to give you some leeway with regards to paying back the debt. However, don't sit around waiting. Get ANY job you can to show willing.
As for the currency comment. How do you think you stay current???? I believe you should have read what you wrote before posting. It may have saved you quite a lot of flak.
Best thing you can do is dig your heels in, stay up to speed with airline news (every airline). Stay inside you ATPL theory books and keep applying for the jobs.
If he 20 1/2 years old now, then he was 18 or 19 when he started his training. Agreed, he probably didn't do nearly enough research, or maybe he was blinkered and only saw potential in something he has probably wanted to do for most of his life.
The fact of the matter is my friend, you have come into the market at a very difficult time and you can't get disheartened. If you believe you will get a job, then eventually you will. Don't listen to all the negativity from everyone on here. Do you think Howard Schultz (Starbucks) listened to the 95% of businessmen who wouldn't invest in his coffee espresso shop in Seattle back in the 60's. Now look at him; extremely successful, and as a bonus, although not a reason you should do something, he is extremely wealthy.
I presume that as you are so young, you don't have a trade to fall back on. This is going to be an issue for you. If you had your parents fund your training, maybe that can afford to give you some leeway with regards to paying back the debt. However, don't sit around waiting. Get ANY job you can to show willing.
As for the currency comment. How do you think you stay current???? I believe you should have read what you wrote before posting. It may have saved you quite a lot of flak.
Best thing you can do is dig your heels in, stay up to speed with airline news (every airline). Stay inside you ATPL theory books and keep applying for the jobs.
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Believe me, there are way to many naive people @ flight schools. My college works together with a flight school over here and 8 people will begin flight training in february, I too had the chance to do it, but i didn't because of the crisis and becoming a pilot without a degree is not a good idea:-)
There was an information evening last month.
One of my classmates main questions was about the uniform. The uniform. I could'nt believe my ears.
I continue to say to them they won't find a job. You know their reaction? ' We will definatly find a job, when we graduate the crisis is over'. And guess who thold him that? The flight school.
There was an information evening last month.
One of my classmates main questions was about the uniform. The uniform. I could'nt believe my ears.
I continue to say to them they won't find a job. You know their reaction? ' We will definatly find a job, when we graduate the crisis is over'. And guess who thold him that? The flight school.
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What is wrong with some guys here...
Is there no common sense in giving a reply without insult?
You could tell someone that he is going the wrong way by just being a good advisor or did your teachers and parents give you such reply when you went the wrong way?
Come on guys...I personally know a couple of flight crews that would not change their oppinion about passenger flying is the only true flying...despite me thinking different but what the hell...all i can do is tell them that they have to look outside of their preference....but you know what...I never say that they are cavemen, simply because thgey do not look at the rest of flying...
In this thread there are two guys wanting to get some advise on how to go about things...but you guys are extremly bad in helping here....of course we are in a recesion...but you know what...the next one will come as well and after that a new one will come. So what??? Best is you get out of aviation if you can not encourage someone.
Anyway...merry christmas to all
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Is there no common sense in giving a reply without insult?
You could tell someone that he is going the wrong way by just being a good advisor or did your teachers and parents give you such reply when you went the wrong way?
Come on guys...I personally know a couple of flight crews that would not change their oppinion about passenger flying is the only true flying...despite me thinking different but what the hell...all i can do is tell them that they have to look outside of their preference....but you know what...I never say that they are cavemen, simply because thgey do not look at the rest of flying...
In this thread there are two guys wanting to get some advise on how to go about things...but you guys are extremly bad in helping here....of course we are in a recesion...but you know what...the next one will come as well and after that a new one will come. So what??? Best is you get out of aviation if you can not encourage someone.
Anyway...merry christmas to all
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Sorry...I did not read the whole thread before sending a reply.
Look, I am trying to liase with some freshmen who are in the same position as myself. I have a 737NG rating and without hours, you know very well, that jobs are far away. I need some hours like some guys here as well.
Despite some of you saying that I ruin the job possibilities for other by considering a line training, I have seen some guys here simply demolishing dreams and efforts of guys like myself...and so, I am just trying it my way, despite what others say. I have researched enough and have been actively talikng to guys in various position for more than a year. I have had phone bills being 4000 Euro in one month, simply because I called several HR departments, Ops Managers, MDs, Career advisers and chief pilots, fleetmanagers, etc.
I have made my choice and I hope people having so much hate in them ... I will hopefully never ever fly with...cause that is what makes me scared...to have such a FO or Captain.
To all you others which are great Ppruners, I hope you will get what you are looking for despite the economic situation.
Pls...once again I ask for help, if anyone knows a line training company in switzerland, please do private message me as I have a few but I am looking for a specific one that is family run.
thanks and great christmas to you.
m737
Look, I am trying to liase with some freshmen who are in the same position as myself. I have a 737NG rating and without hours, you know very well, that jobs are far away. I need some hours like some guys here as well.
Despite some of you saying that I ruin the job possibilities for other by considering a line training, I have seen some guys here simply demolishing dreams and efforts of guys like myself...and so, I am just trying it my way, despite what others say. I have researched enough and have been actively talikng to guys in various position for more than a year. I have had phone bills being 4000 Euro in one month, simply because I called several HR departments, Ops Managers, MDs, Career advisers and chief pilots, fleetmanagers, etc.
I have made my choice and I hope people having so much hate in them ... I will hopefully never ever fly with...cause that is what makes me scared...to have such a FO or Captain.
To all you others which are great Ppruners, I hope you will get what you are looking for despite the economic situation.
Pls...once again I ask for help, if anyone knows a line training company in switzerland, please do private message me as I have a few but I am looking for a specific one that is family run.
thanks and great christmas to you.
m737
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Pilot in training
I am new to my training, just opened my Jeppesen private pilots manual for the first time less than a month ago (don't laugh, we all have to start somewhere) and even I know that the outlook for ANY flying job is bad at best!
I am just happy that I have the deal of a lifetime on training costs, and have lots of practice at being poor, because i am sure it will be a long time before i get my first flying job.
Nobody wants to hire a pilot with the minimum skills and time in the air to get a license. Getting more hours in the air, staying current on qualifications, and further training will cost money on top of more money. It could very well end up i never get hired, but i am still going to go for it because i love flying!! Even if i never found a flying job it is going to be a great learning experience.
I was told by a friend "If you learn to fly for the money, you're in the wrong field. if you would fly for the love of flying, getting paid is a bonus!"
good luck to everyone!!!
I am just happy that I have the deal of a lifetime on training costs, and have lots of practice at being poor, because i am sure it will be a long time before i get my first flying job.
Nobody wants to hire a pilot with the minimum skills and time in the air to get a license. Getting more hours in the air, staying current on qualifications, and further training will cost money on top of more money. It could very well end up i never get hired, but i am still going to go for it because i love flying!! Even if i never found a flying job it is going to be a great learning experience.
I was told by a friend "If you learn to fly for the money, you're in the wrong field. if you would fly for the love of flying, getting paid is a bonus!"
good luck to everyone!!!
