Thank You ATP!
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Thank You ATP!
Just wanted to say a big thank you to ATP and in particular to Capt. J Curd for coming up with the goods...
Thanks to their involvement ATP have got me my first job, just as was promised. ATP came under a lot of fire from others in previous posts but they have delivered on their promise to me & yes I'm over the moon!
I'd like to say that even in these really difficult times ATP still kept our best interests in mind and never stopped trying so a massive THANK YOU to all that were invloved!
Thanks to their involvement ATP have got me my first job, just as was promised. ATP came under a lot of fire from others in previous posts but they have delivered on their promise to me & yes I'm over the moon!
I'd like to say that even in these really difficult times ATP still kept our best interests in mind and never stopped trying so a massive THANK YOU to all that were invloved!
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Please don't make it sound like ATP got you your 6 month contract with EZ because they didn't. They are now despised within EZ and outside. No one remotely involved with recruitment would conscientiously work with them to get cadets paid long term contracts. The relationship went sour months ago and we know that!
What got you your contract was good timing and the fact that you know the EZ operation due to your 3 months paid line training and possibly that you impressed someone working with recruitment. ATP have told many lies, I’m still waiting to meet the 20 people JC told my batch (on assessment day) were already flying with Air Arabia and Qatar.
I am genuinely happy for you and of course without dealing with ATP you wouldn't be in this position, so I can understand your praises for them but I and many others have heard the bull**** straight from the bull's mouth and I'm still losing sleep over it. Sorry.
What got you your contract was good timing and the fact that you know the EZ operation due to your 3 months paid line training and possibly that you impressed someone working with recruitment. ATP have told many lies, I’m still waiting to meet the 20 people JC told my batch (on assessment day) were already flying with Air Arabia and Qatar.
I am genuinely happy for you and of course without dealing with ATP you wouldn't be in this position, so I can understand your praises for them but I and many others have heard the bull**** straight from the bull's mouth and I'm still losing sleep over it. Sorry.
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Congrats mate. I take it we are talking about CTC ATP? What is the deal with the holding pool at the minute? How long did you have to wait after completing the program until you got this job?
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I take it we are talking about CTC ATP?
http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...syjet-bmi.html
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I have a read a variety of threads on this scam 
scheme sorry.
And (I don't know if this is fact) NO ONE has ever gained full time employment from it.
Could the reason be that paying 36K (especially now) isn't exactly a good command decision and the recruitment team for the airline know this?
scheme sorry.And (I don't know if this is fact) NO ONE has ever gained full time employment from it.
Could the reason be that paying 36K (especially now) isn't exactly a good command decision and the recruitment team for the airline know this?
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At least that's one!
Without getting into a big argument...
even when the market picks up, if you was an integrated student who started in 2009, late 2008, would you ever get hired?
Surely not a good command decision when the odds/risks are stacked up against you?
Likewise those who bought a 737/A320 TR (not affiliated to a Ryanair for example) would not have been a sound decision either?
Without getting into a big argument...
even when the market picks up, if you was an integrated student who started in 2009, late 2008, would you ever get hired?
Surely not a good command decision when the odds/risks are stacked up against you?
Likewise those who bought a 737/A320 TR (not affiliated to a Ryanair for example) would not have been a sound decision either?
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BS Muppet -
You'll be pretty peeved to hear I'm not staff, just someone who took a big risk, worked really hard at my training, and is now very luckily employed thanks to a few guys I am very thankful to.
A number of guys from ATP have also been hired much to your dismay, and if they are all ghosts or figments of my imagination, I must have drank about 20 pints and eaten 10 curries all by my own fat self only a few hours ago for a celebration lol.
I'm sorry but it really sounds like you're not happy for other guys getting jobs in these really difficult times, I took the risk (not you), I payed my own money (not you), I put the sweat into it (not you), and I'm the one thats thankful to the people and the outcome (very obviously not you).
So I say again, to all that were invloved - a MASSIVE thank you!
You'll be pretty peeved to hear I'm not staff, just someone who took a big risk, worked really hard at my training, and is now very luckily employed thanks to a few guys I am very thankful to.
A number of guys from ATP have also been hired much to your dismay, and if they are all ghosts or figments of my imagination, I must have drank about 20 pints and eaten 10 curries all by my own fat self only a few hours ago for a celebration lol.
I'm sorry but it really sounds like you're not happy for other guys getting jobs in these really difficult times, I took the risk (not you), I payed my own money (not you), I put the sweat into it (not you), and I'm the one thats thankful to the people and the outcome (very obviously not you).
So I say again, to all that were invloved - a MASSIVE thank you!
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So you gave them cash and buyed your job and you THANK them? Man, do you kiss the chekout lady at the suppermarket ever week?
When are peple going to learn that we are cutting off our own legs in this industry? (I nearly wrote proffesion but that dont fit any more).
When are peple going to learn that we are cutting off our own legs in this industry? (I nearly wrote proffesion but that dont fit any more).
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I'm sorry but it really sounds like you're not happy for other guys getting jobs in these really difficult times, I took the risk (not you), I payed my own money (not you), I put the sweat into it (not you), and I'm the one thats thankful to the people and the outcome (very obviously not you).
So I say again, to all that were invloved - a MASSIVE thank you!
So I say again, to all that were invloved - a MASSIVE thank you!
and damaging the general T&C's for other pilots but it does seem that's where the industry is headed 
anyhow Kangy well done and good luck
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Barista - this goes back to the old argument of paying for a TR or not paying for a TR. Its been going on for years like it or not, just look at Ryanair (yup you pay for your TR), CTC (yup you pay for your TR), Thomas Cook (yup you pay for your TR) and a number of other schemes, so please dont blame me for years of other people doing this which has led to airlines not bothering to even reply to guys who apply without a TR (I sat at home and did this for quite a while, and soon realised there wasn't really much of an option if I wanted a job).
What other choice do I have? Sit at home and put food on the table with the moral high ground after already investing thousands?
The airlines have realised that people will pay for their own TR so why would the airline pay? Blame those money managers that have come to these conclusions after years of other people paying!
Thanks for your well wishes quant, and at least you have a realistic view on things - you can see where the airlines have headed a long time ago, who can blame them? In this day and age of LoCo's, they are saving money every possible way - did you hear about Ryanair wanting to charge pax for using the loo?!!
Anyways, this will be my last post on this godforsaken website. I'm glad of the choices I've made, I just wish people would start seeing the whole of the story, not just the little bits they can be really negative on and to simply have a moan.
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What other choice do I have? Sit at home and put food on the table with the moral high ground after already investing thousands?
The airlines have realised that people will pay for their own TR so why would the airline pay? Blame those money managers that have come to these conclusions after years of other people paying!
Thanks for your well wishes quant, and at least you have a realistic view on things - you can see where the airlines have headed a long time ago, who can blame them? In this day and age of LoCo's, they are saving money every possible way - did you hear about Ryanair wanting to charge pax for using the loo?!!
Anyways, this will be my last post on this godforsaken website. I'm glad of the choices I've made, I just wish people would start seeing the whole of the story, not just the little bits they can be really negative on and to simply have a moan.
Kangy
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Well, if you're happy that's fine. I would feel pretty miserable thinking of the incredible amount of money I put only to get a job... for Air Arabia on the top!!!!!!!!
I think we all leave you this job.
These guys from ATP who litteraly stole your money must laugh reading your thanksfullness post.
Enjoy your 150 000 pounds position!
I think we all leave you this job.
These guys from ATP who litteraly stole your money must laugh reading your thanksfullness post.
Enjoy your 150 000 pounds position!
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Kangy is it a permanent position or summer contract? Congrats all the same.
did you hear about Ryanair wanting to charge pax for using the loo?!!
i'm glad they didn't seriously take on the idea of a fat tax either Kangy are you on the A319 or A320?
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Kangy,
calm down.
I apologise for my first post. The way it was written was truly like the adverts you get for scams and get-rich-quick schemes. A person has been banned from here- G-AITB - or something like that because the post started off with "Just like you, I had trouble with my finances...". etc.
I certainly don't want to rain on your parade. However there are some points that need to be made. Firstly, I doubt if anyone at ATP is going to print out your thank-you note and stick it on their wall like a paediatrician would do with a letter form a mum whose son they helped.
They got your money regardless if they got you a job or not. Which is why my cynicism when it came to your "Thank-you" speech. They don't care.
What happened to good old-fashioned start at the bottom crop spraying and working your way up to the shiny jet? Its schemes (excellent word) like this that are eroding present pilots' T&Cs because they know there is someone behind them willing to grab their place by paying for the TR themselves and working for peanuts.
Congratulations on getting the job.
calm down.
I apologise for my first post. The way it was written was truly like the adverts you get for scams and get-rich-quick schemes. A person has been banned from here- G-AITB - or something like that because the post started off with "Just like you, I had trouble with my finances...". etc.
I certainly don't want to rain on your parade. However there are some points that need to be made. Firstly, I doubt if anyone at ATP is going to print out your thank-you note and stick it on their wall like a paediatrician would do with a letter form a mum whose son they helped.
They got your money regardless if they got you a job or not. Which is why my cynicism when it came to your "Thank-you" speech. They don't care.
What happened to good old-fashioned start at the bottom crop spraying and working your way up to the shiny jet? Its schemes (excellent word) like this that are eroding present pilots' T&Cs because they know there is someone behind them willing to grab their place by paying for the TR themselves and working for peanuts.
Congratulations on getting the job.
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The majority seems to want to get into a shiny jet ASAP - sorry but that is not flying!
Why the rush? Work your way up and get priceless experience flying all types in all weather.
Of course, people would say that they need a good paying flying career to start paying off loans. Well WTF did you have to get into such debt? What was wrong with modular?-paying as you fly? And working at the same time gaining social skills and maturity!!
I'm going to sound like a broken record here but it is this "rush" to pull on a uniform, shag a hostess and fly an airliner which has caused T&Cs to erode.
WTFing rush?
I will NEVER prostitute myself by paying for a TR. Even in the recession. If it means I spend 5 years spending thousands of pounds per year to keep current before I even get a job towing gliders then so be it.
Why the rush? Work your way up and get priceless experience flying all types in all weather.
Of course, people would say that they need a good paying flying career to start paying off loans. Well WTF did you have to get into such debt? What was wrong with modular?-paying as you fly? And working at the same time gaining social skills and maturity!!
I'm going to sound like a broken record here but it is this "rush" to pull on a uniform, shag a hostess and fly an airliner which has caused T&Cs to erode.
WTFing rush?
I will NEVER prostitute myself by paying for a TR. Even in the recession. If it means I spend 5 years spending thousands of pounds per year to keep current before I even get a job towing gliders then so be it.
