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Simply that by replacing flight training with simulator training you are missing out on some of the best and most enjoyable flying you may ever experience.
Hacking around the circuit or heading off around the countryside with all your mates in the same bit of airspace......then exchanging tales in the bar afterwards cannot be replaced with....."you won't believe what happened to me in simulator today.....yawn!"
A valid way into a difficult industry, and good luck to all, but IMHO slightly dull.
Simulation is never as much fun as the real thing now is it?
Hacking around the circuit or heading off around the countryside with all your mates in the same bit of airspace......then exchanging tales in the bar afterwards cannot be replaced with....."you won't believe what happened to me in simulator today.....yawn!"
A valid way into a difficult industry, and good luck to all, but IMHO slightly dull.
Simulation is never as much fun as the real thing now is it?
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Have to agree with you, I am Fairly newly qualified as an ATPL and flying heavy aircraft in European airspace, Sims are great, but they are sims !! wonderfull for instrument flying practise and system/emergency training, but the real experience comes with the weather, other traffic etc etc etc, that you dont get in a sim.
Still we shall see
Have to agree with you, I am Fairly newly qualified as an ATPL and flying heavy aircraft in European airspace, Sims are great, but they are sims !! wonderfull for instrument flying practise and system/emergency training, but the real experience comes with the weather, other traffic etc etc etc, that you dont get in a sim.
Still we shall see
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I received an e-mail last Thursday stating I had made it to the next stage
They may still be waiting for confirmation on who will be attending before re-allocating any spaces.
Anyone else booked in for next Friday?
I received an e-mail last Thursday stating I had made it to the next stage
They may still be waiting for confirmation on who will be attending before re-allocating any spaces.
Anyone else booked in for next Friday?
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The Flybe MPL/FTE Scheme is £76,000, and as F/O UFO says, Flybe pay £20k, which they reclaim from you wages over the first 5 years of employment.
More details can be found HERE
More details can be found HERE
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Hi Guys,
Few questions. Stage 3 involves the usual PILAPT tests + the stuff FTE have sent to us eg the Maths/Physics/Verbal revision sheets. All pretty nice of them to send!
In terms of the interview, will it be with a Flybe Pilot and someone from FTE?
Any ideas on the sort of questions they may be asking bar the obvious?
Is there going to be one of those group exercise things? eg. build this mecano set...
Don't know if anyone has any ideas at all.
Thanks for any replies
M.M
Few questions. Stage 3 involves the usual PILAPT tests + the stuff FTE have sent to us eg the Maths/Physics/Verbal revision sheets. All pretty nice of them to send!
In terms of the interview, will it be with a Flybe Pilot and someone from FTE?
Any ideas on the sort of questions they may be asking bar the obvious?
Is there going to be one of those group exercise things? eg. build this mecano set...
Don't know if anyone has any ideas at all.
Thanks for any replies
M.M
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OAA / FLYBE
MULTI CREW PILOT’S LICENCE (MPL) AIRLINE PILOT TRAINING SCHEME
BACKGROUND
As the leading regional airline in Europe, and with an expanding aircraft fleet, Flybe has a continuing requirement to recruit high calibre, new First Officers who have completed a quality ab-initio training scheme. The ab-initio route now includes a new, highly innovative international training scheme, the MPL course.
The information outlined below concerns the first joint OAA/Flybe MPL course. Jointly designed by OAA and Flybe, the aim of this first course is to produce high quality First Officers, trained from the outset to Flybe’s requirements, and able to move immediately into the right hand seat of the airline’s advanced Bombardier Dash 8 Q400 on completion of MPL training.
Flybe and Oxford Aviation Academy (OAA) have a long-standing relationship and OAA APPFO graduates already routinely join the airline direct from training. For the future, the MPL course will be the preferred route into Flybe, supplementing but not replacing the APPFO and will provide selected candidates with partial financial support sponsored equally by OAA and Flybe.
The first MPL course will commence at Oxford on 1st September and will last for approximately 65 weeks. The notes below, in the form of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs), are intended to provide you with an outline of the scheme together with the information and guidance necessary to enable you to apply. Further information, guidance and advice will be given to those applicants invited to Oxford for the initial stages of the combined OAA/Flybe selection programme.
Oxford Aviation Training
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So What percentage of the course is simulation?? I do agree that simulators are very good these days, you can do all your emergenies drills, Navigation IF extra practice. But, I think nothing can replace real time flying learning environment.
I'm quite surprised actually that Flybe have schemes still going!, since they are going to put quite a few Dash 8's and E195 away for the latter part of this year into the winter next year. I know a guy who just graduated from FTE, he has been told to expect a 9-18 month wait until he gets to do his type rating! Just hope the economic situation improves
Anyway Good Luck to all, Safe Flying!
I'm quite surprised actually that Flybe have schemes still going!, since they are going to put quite a few Dash 8's and E195 away for the latter part of this year into the winter next year. I know a guy who just graduated from FTE, he has been told to expect a 9-18 month wait until he gets to do his type rating! Just hope the economic situation improves
Anyway Good Luck to all, Safe Flying!
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Checklist,
The reason being, I would imagine, is that nobody can accurately predict when the current downturn will eventually end, and how quickly things will recover.
I recall post 9/11 the last BA fully sponsored graduates being told that they could expect a 2 year wait before BA would be in a position to offer them a TR course. As it turned out, they waited only 6 months.
Aviation is a funny old game, and Flybe one of the smarter operators.
The reason being, I would imagine, is that nobody can accurately predict when the current downturn will eventually end, and how quickly things will recover.
I recall post 9/11 the last BA fully sponsored graduates being told that they could expect a 2 year wait before BA would be in a position to offer them a TR course. As it turned out, they waited only 6 months.
Aviation is a funny old game, and Flybe one of the smarter operators.
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The same question was posed in 2007 (if my mind serves me correctly) - basically asking why is there a Flybe/Cabair Flybe/FTE ATPL 'sponsorship' scheme when even in 2007 there were still many cadets out there who would have even been willing to pay for a TR - even though Flybe bond you.
Of course you had the usual replies..you are a known cadet from the outset, you learn their way, your reports are constantly seen, you were hand picked at the selection interview by Flybe themselves at Stage 4 etc.
But it still did not answer the question WHY! If Flybe are paying £20'000 sponsorship for EACH 'perfect' candidate, then surely they could come up with a selection/recruitment process for all those hundreds of 250 hr cadets out there for a fraction of the cost in order to find 'the perfect pilot'.
This was finally answered by quite a smart-ass person here on pprune in a very good reply (and quite logical to me) that Flybe actually MAKE money, even in the event that the cadets never gets a job with them (remember you may not get a job straight away and are actually contracted to swim in the pool for circa 2 years).
I can't remember the exact reasons - I'm trying to find the post. But it basically stated that if there is position for the sponsored cadet then obviously that is great - they have got their' perfect pilot' who is not a risk and will have his/her salary deducted over X years. So no cost to the company there.
If they do not have a position for the sponsored cadet after training or within the X'years they are contracted to swim in the pool which may very well happen during these times, then allegedly
Flybe still don't actually 'lose' the £20K.
I can't remember the exact reasons and don't particularly want to write my 'logical' reasons in case as usual I'm ridiculed by some snotty wannabe who thinks they know it all.
Needless to say I agree with the original post I am pertaining to. Simpy because I know that nothing is for free.
Anyway hopefully that answers your question Checklist
The same question was posed in 2007 (if my mind serves me correctly) - basically asking why is there a Flybe/Cabair Flybe/FTE ATPL 'sponsorship' scheme when even in 2007 there were still many cadets out there who would have even been willing to pay for a TR - even though Flybe bond you.
Of course you had the usual replies..you are a known cadet from the outset, you learn their way, your reports are constantly seen, you were hand picked at the selection interview by Flybe themselves at Stage 4 etc.
But it still did not answer the question WHY! If Flybe are paying £20'000 sponsorship for EACH 'perfect' candidate, then surely they could come up with a selection/recruitment process for all those hundreds of 250 hr cadets out there for a fraction of the cost in order to find 'the perfect pilot'.
This was finally answered by quite a smart-ass person here on pprune in a very good reply (and quite logical to me) that Flybe actually MAKE money, even in the event that the cadets never gets a job with them (remember you may not get a job straight away and are actually contracted to swim in the pool for circa 2 years).
I can't remember the exact reasons - I'm trying to find the post. But it basically stated that if there is position for the sponsored cadet then obviously that is great - they have got their' perfect pilot' who is not a risk and will have his/her salary deducted over X years. So no cost to the company there.
If they do not have a position for the sponsored cadet after training or within the X'years they are contracted to swim in the pool which may very well happen during these times, then allegedly
Flybe still don't actually 'lose' the £20K.I can't remember the exact reasons and don't particularly want to write my 'logical' reasons in case as usual I'm ridiculed by some snotty wannabe who thinks they know it all.
Needless to say I agree with the original post I am pertaining to. Simpy because I know that nothing is for free.
Anyway hopefully that answers your question Checklist
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of course they make money from wanabe. Why do you think they take guys with 0 hours, when this market is filled with pilots ready to fly.
schools pay airline "undertable" each time an airline send a student to an TRTO.this is how this market work, if a school want a contract with an airline, a school has to give some undeclared money to the pocket of the managment.
Still I don't know how much the receive, probably a lot.
that 's another way for a company to make money, some charge pilots for time building.
schools pay airline "undertable" each time an airline send a student to an TRTO.this is how this market work, if a school want a contract with an airline, a school has to give some undeclared money to the pocket of the managment.
Still I don't know how much the receive, probably a lot.
that 's another way for a company to make money, some charge pilots for time building.
