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'It is very clear also that this is a flight school mentality,definetely not airline mentality.Many serious companies when they train someone they do it because they have already given him a contract,they dont make experiments with peoples careers ,use them for 3-4 months,recycle them and then use the next ones,open ur eyes a bit,look outside Turkey and u will see what im talking about.'
So let me ask you a question then. How many people do you know, that were used for a couple of months and then thrown out? I am not talking about a couple of guys who failed line checks or training was stopped due to poor performance.
'If you think political situation in a country is not relevant to a discussion about an airline company you must be naive or very young.Everything is relative,even the air we breathe has to do with politics.'
What you are saying is that the political situation in Turkey is the reason that Pegasus is doing the line training scheme or what? As far as I know Pegasus is a private company. The only company greatly influenced by political interests is Turkish Airlines.
'Why is this product of 'line training ' that Pegasus sells not offered in most countries in Europe for example,this has no relation to politics?Or do you think only Pegasus had this clever idea?'
Not offered in other countries in Europe? I think you should do your homework a little bit better. About one hour of surfing on the internet well tell you that in MOST countries in Europe line training hours are for sale. Admitted, not always on B737 or A320.
BTW. How many companies in Europe are asking there new pilots to pay for the type rating? A lot.
And for a company who is not asking you to pay upfront, they are bonding you and give you a starting salary which is just enough to make ends meet. Just look around what the starting salary is of a new FO in Europe. Then look at what Pegasus pays... you get my point I believe.
'Do you think a company for example that does not offer pension or does not follow precisely duty limitations would be allowed to operate in Europe?This is also not relevant to politics?How is the situation in Pegasus or Turkey in general in this matter,you must know better...'
No pension? Wrong again. The company pays the compulsory social security fees and taxes to the Turkish government for EVERY pilot. This includes pension, health care.... Duty limitations? If you are really flying for Pegasus I am curious to know how many times FTL's were exceeded in your case. I am pretty sure the answer will be 0. If it is not 0 it is even worse because it is your responsability to report this to the company so that they can take the necessary steps.
Agreed this is not the case in all Turkish companies.
So let me ask you a question then. How many people do you know, that were used for a couple of months and then thrown out? I am not talking about a couple of guys who failed line checks or training was stopped due to poor performance.
'If you think political situation in a country is not relevant to a discussion about an airline company you must be naive or very young.Everything is relative,even the air we breathe has to do with politics.'
What you are saying is that the political situation in Turkey is the reason that Pegasus is doing the line training scheme or what? As far as I know Pegasus is a private company. The only company greatly influenced by political interests is Turkish Airlines.
'Why is this product of 'line training ' that Pegasus sells not offered in most countries in Europe for example,this has no relation to politics?Or do you think only Pegasus had this clever idea?'
Not offered in other countries in Europe? I think you should do your homework a little bit better. About one hour of surfing on the internet well tell you that in MOST countries in Europe line training hours are for sale. Admitted, not always on B737 or A320.
BTW. How many companies in Europe are asking there new pilots to pay for the type rating? A lot.
And for a company who is not asking you to pay upfront, they are bonding you and give you a starting salary which is just enough to make ends meet. Just look around what the starting salary is of a new FO in Europe. Then look at what Pegasus pays... you get my point I believe.
'Do you think a company for example that does not offer pension or does not follow precisely duty limitations would be allowed to operate in Europe?This is also not relevant to politics?How is the situation in Pegasus or Turkey in general in this matter,you must know better...'
No pension? Wrong again. The company pays the compulsory social security fees and taxes to the Turkish government for EVERY pilot. This includes pension, health care.... Duty limitations? If you are really flying for Pegasus I am curious to know how many times FTL's were exceeded in your case. I am pretty sure the answer will be 0. If it is not 0 it is even worse because it is your responsability to report this to the company so that they can take the necessary steps.
Agreed this is not the case in all Turkish companies.
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Have to agree with Sunturk1. I have been here almost a year now and i have never exceeded duty time limitations. You come pretty close maybe once or twice in the summer but never more. As long as you work hard and show respect its a decent place to work. Happy Landings 
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I've been flying in Pegasus for more than one year as well, and I must agree with JamesIST that it's a nice airline to work for.
It has its own maintenance department, which from my point of view is every good and above many other EU airlines standars. Captains are in general very experienced, it is not unusual to fly with guys with more than 10000 or 15000 hours... and 90% of them are coming from the Airforce. Fleet is growing progessively with the incorporation of brand new 738's. They are aiming to be the 2nd biggest airline in Turkey after Turkish Airlines in a few years. Pegasus is also an IATA member, and has the IOSA certification, wich means they meet all minimum safety requirements stablished by IATA. Salary is also very good. An F/O may make more than 3500 euros easily, which is more than what you take in many other EU airlines, and cost of living in Turkey is cheaper than in Europe.
Well, I disagree with that. Line training programs are offered almost in every European countries... Spain, UK, Italy... so Pegasus is not the only one.
It has its own maintenance department, which from my point of view is every good and above many other EU airlines standars. Captains are in general very experienced, it is not unusual to fly with guys with more than 10000 or 15000 hours... and 90% of them are coming from the Airforce. Fleet is growing progessively with the incorporation of brand new 738's. They are aiming to be the 2nd biggest airline in Turkey after Turkish Airlines in a few years. Pegasus is also an IATA member, and has the IOSA certification, wich means they meet all minimum safety requirements stablished by IATA. Salary is also very good. An F/O may make more than 3500 euros easily, which is more than what you take in many other EU airlines, and cost of living in Turkey is cheaper than in Europe.
Why is this product of 'line training ' that Pegasus sells not offered in most countries in Europe for example,this has no relation to politics?Or do you think only Pegasus had this clever idea?
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well...this forum is not the right place for sponsoring an airline company`s type rating market or school...i mean should be the place where the truth comes before everything...and following this thread look like if u pass the line check, you receive as a gift one year contract..
is not like this everytime. be aware!
there are also guys who passed their line checks, and after the summer season finished, they left the company cause the contract was over...
otherwise the flight academy will stop!
is not like this everytime. be aware!
there are also guys who passed their line checks, and after the summer season finished, they left the company cause the contract was over...
otherwise the flight academy will stop!
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We just express our opinion,i dont think personally this company is a serious company.Sunturk and DC-8 seem to be happy with the airline,its a democratic forum,thats their opinion,no reason to argue.
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Isnt it strange? All the negative posts about Pegasus seem to come from people who are not flying for them or from people who didn't get employed by them.
And just to let you know. Some people get an extension every year. So long term employment is possible.
And true. This shouldn't be the place to advertise but it also shouldn't be a place where people who clearly have no clue about what is happening within the airline ventilate their ill-informed opinions.
You can have an opinion about the pro's and con's about paying for line training in general. But if you start accusing a company about non compliance with Flight time duty limitations for example, that is a bridge too far. Especially if you are not working for them.
And just to let you know. Some people get an extension every year. So long term employment is possible.
And true. This shouldn't be the place to advertise but it also shouldn't be a place where people who clearly have no clue about what is happening within the airline ventilate their ill-informed opinions.
You can have an opinion about the pro's and con's about paying for line training in general. But if you start accusing a company about non compliance with Flight time duty limitations for example, that is a bridge too far. Especially if you are not working for them.
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Isnt it strange?All the Pegasus admirers seem to be people who are working for Pegasus!
But you are right,i might not be the expert about flight duty limitations in Pegasus and if they are being kept or not according to JAA standards.I just want to ask something that i am very curious to know regarding the calculation of duty time.This is not only relevant to Pegasus,its for my personal knowledge,anyone who works in other airlines is wellcome to comment on this.
A pilot that gets pick up by the company bus 2 (at the minimum) or 3 hours before the departure time and arrives home after the flight 2(at the minimum) or 3 hours after the blocks on arrival time how should his duty time be calculated?Shouldnt he add these extra 4 (at the minimum) or 6 hours to the total duty time?Duty time should start from the moment of pick up,isnt it?I remember some duty calculation tables of Pegasus had some different figures,like for example duty starts 1 or 1 h 30 min before flight and ends 1 hour after,how can this be justified?It seems to me that there are 2-3 hours of duty missing from this calculation or i could be wrong,i am not going to insist on this.
But you are right,i might not be the expert about flight duty limitations in Pegasus and if they are being kept or not according to JAA standards.I just want to ask something that i am very curious to know regarding the calculation of duty time.This is not only relevant to Pegasus,its for my personal knowledge,anyone who works in other airlines is wellcome to comment on this.
A pilot that gets pick up by the company bus 2 (at the minimum) or 3 hours before the departure time and arrives home after the flight 2(at the minimum) or 3 hours after the blocks on arrival time how should his duty time be calculated?Shouldnt he add these extra 4 (at the minimum) or 6 hours to the total duty time?Duty time should start from the moment of pick up,isnt it?I remember some duty calculation tables of Pegasus had some different figures,like for example duty starts 1 or 1 h 30 min before flight and ends 1 hour after,how can this be justified?It seems to me that there are 2-3 hours of duty missing from this calculation or i could be wrong,i am not going to insist on this.
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There are no JAR 'standards' regarding FTL's, it is, or was, for each operator to submit their FTL's to their authority for approval.
However, and in the several FTL schemes I was accustomed to, travel between hotel and airports is not duty, that said the journey time should be within a specified time frame, perhaps 1 hour in each direction, and, if I recall correctly, anything in excess of 1 hour still doesn't count of duty but needs to be added to the subsequent rest period.
And ..... I don't work for Pegasus!
Think about it ..... everybody, in any profession, travels to their place of work but they're not on duty, nor being paid, as soon as they step out of the front door of their home or place of accommodation!
I've a feeling that if one google's for CAA CAP371 then they might be able to read the UK CAA interpretation of this, the UK CAA call it 'travelling time'.
However, and in the several FTL schemes I was accustomed to, travel between hotel and airports is not duty, that said the journey time should be within a specified time frame, perhaps 1 hour in each direction, and, if I recall correctly, anything in excess of 1 hour still doesn't count of duty but needs to be added to the subsequent rest period.
And ..... I don't work for Pegasus!
Think about it ..... everybody, in any profession, travels to their place of work but they're not on duty, nor being paid, as soon as they step out of the front door of their home or place of accommodation!
I've a feeling that if one google's for CAA CAP371 then they might be able to read the UK CAA interpretation of this, the UK CAA call it 'travelling time'.
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737 line training
Hi all,
After my type rating with SFA. I did my base training with Pegasus last august.
Due to the lack of work for low houred type rated pilots I am finally considering doing line training.
Does anyone have information on the Pegasus line training scheme and the possibility of work with them?
Any info would be welcome,
Many thanks.
After my type rating with SFA. I did my base training with Pegasus last august.
Due to the lack of work for low houred type rated pilots I am finally considering doing line training.
Does anyone have information on the Pegasus line training scheme and the possibility of work with them?
Any info would be welcome,
Many thanks.
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Bollocks. If you knew anything about contracts with Pegasus, then you would know that Turkey has had mutual recognition for years.
BF, you have only ever posted on this thread, but have not been anywhere near Pegasus: I worked as a contractor for them years ago and my JAR ATPL was just as acceptable to the Turkish CAA, as is the Turkish JAA ATPL to the IAA.
As you must have seen the contract offered, you may want to share with us what the Disney aspect is?
cheers IP
BF, you have only ever posted on this thread, but have not been anywhere near Pegasus: I worked as a contractor for them years ago and my JAR ATPL was just as acceptable to the Turkish CAA, as is the Turkish JAA ATPL to the IAA.
As you must have seen the contract offered, you may want to share with us what the Disney aspect is?
cheers IP
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I confirm this also,all JAA licenses are validated by Turkish authorities at a cost of 1500 Euro,Pegasus is taking care of this.
Flying Frenchman you might have a chance for a short contract after your line training since the other expats are recycled,almost all of them that started flying in summer are out now so there is place for the next batch.
One of them actually got a contract for one year and after a few days they took it back from him,what a nice professional attitude!
Flying Frenchman you might have a chance for a short contract after your line training since the other expats are recycled,almost all of them that started flying in summer are out now so there is place for the next batch.
One of them actually got a contract for one year and after a few days they took it back from him,what a nice professional attitude!
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Thanks,
Judging by the way my base training was conducted it doesn't really surprise me.
I'm also considering Eagle jet, but to be honest I would rather avoid all of those schemes.....especially if you don't even get a job at the end.
Anyway Eagle jet replied within 24 hours, a week later I am still waiting for a reply from Pegasus, strange considering they offerded me line training last summer.
Hope something else comes up before spring.
Merry Christmas to all.
Judging by the way my base training was conducted it doesn't really surprise me.
I'm also considering Eagle jet, but to be honest I would rather avoid all of those schemes.....especially if you don't even get a job at the end.
Anyway Eagle jet replied within 24 hours, a week later I am still waiting for a reply from Pegasus, strange considering they offerded me line training last summer.
Hope something else comes up before spring.
Merry Christmas to all.
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Probably Pegasus is confused between choosing to be an airline or a flight school,hung on a bit,if they dont reply in my opinion you shouldnt waste time,just go with Eaglejet.I know its more expensive but wasting time is expensive too.
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The new training scheme of Pegasus i bet will be line training package for captains after this incident they had,anyone interested to buy captain hours is wellcome to apply!
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Hello all! I have been invited to an assessment for Pegasus in January and just wondered, on a lighter note, if anyone who currently works for them would like to share their experience of moving to and living in Turkey? Did anyone else who originates from the UK find this daunting? Was the job of finding accommodation tricky? Thanks for the replies guys xxx