City Jet....C###S
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Luke I was not aware that prospects paid for their assessment days and interviews at City Jet (I'm aware of RYR pulling this despicable stunt though). If as you say this is true, then my sympathy wanes, rapidly ! I'd never considered CJ due to the location of their bases not being convenient for me and my family. As for RYR, if there was one thing I was sure of, it was I was never going to apply to them !!
I had taken Vitos comment of
To be solely costs incurred for transport and hotel - not to include a fee to CJ.
I agree whole heartedly with the rest of your post !!
CG
I had taken Vitos comment of
So I go along to their Aptitude tests in Dublin, at a cost of around 200 pounds including flight and hotels...........(Everyone who was there was from the UK, so why the f##k did they not hold the tests in the UK????)
I pass the aptitude tests so they tell me to come to interview in london, at a cost of around 150 pounds, including train fares and hotels............
I pass the aptitude tests so they tell me to come to interview in london, at a cost of around 150 pounds, including train fares and hotels............
I agree whole heartedly with the rest of your post !!
CG
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Vito,
People know this reality all to well and will foolishly lash out on those people who are now discovering it. It gives them a cheap frill. Pretty much sums up the Wannabe Forum over the last few years.
People know this reality all to well and will foolishly lash out on those people who are now discovering it. It gives them a cheap frill. Pretty much sums up the Wannabe Forum over the last few years.
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CityJet 'Sponsorship'
Probably not the best thread to put this on, as i sense a certain amount of bitterness towards this prtcular airline, but:
CITYJET/FTE SPONSORSHIP IS NOW OPEN FOR APPLICATIONS
Check out the FTE website for more details www.flighttrainingeurope.com
You never know, someone may have read this thread and thought 'hey, they don't sound like too bad an airline, i really want to work for them!'
...or maybe not.
CITYJET/FTE SPONSORSHIP IS NOW OPEN FOR APPLICATIONS Check out the FTE website for more details www.flighttrainingeurope.com
You never know, someone may have read this thread and thought 'hey, they don't sound like too bad an airline, i really want to work for them!'
...or maybe not.
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I take the same opinion as Canada Goose and support Vito in his despair and frustration. All the others criticising him don't seem to understand the premise of what a job is for, or the fundamental purpose of a career.
For Vito, you should be thinking about whether, in the long run, you would be better off finding work in an alternate industry, for the time being anyway, start chipping away at the debt and building the firm foundations of a "Plan B".
I know you've spent a lot of money to get this far, we all have, but maybe the right thing to do is to bravely say to Cityjet/Ryanair/Etc, "Thank you for the invite to interview, but I won't pay you to interview me and the associated travel expenses or pay you to train me in your aircraft, goodbye".
Although the last couple of years have often been called "The Good Times" - they've also come at a time of very cheap money, which has increased the number of wannabees in the market as well as encouraging the SSTR. The cheap money era has come to an end. You probably have several decades of a career ahead of you, waiting a few years on the sidelines won't hurt. Even if there is some apocalyptic meltdown of the aviation industry over the next few years at least you'll have some experience behind you in another industry.
Like Canada Goose, I come from an engineering background. For the last job interview I had, I was flown half-way round the world for the interview (1 week in a hotel, car hire, food, all paid for just for a 1-day interview), when I accepted the job I was given a 5 figure sum to "assist in my relocation costs". I was 24 at the time with just 2 years experience. This wasn't for a high-flying executive position, it was just for a job where my skillset was in demand.
Vito, you've come a long way so far but you should objectively consider all the risks with continuing to pursue aviation in the current way. In another career path, you could still instruct in your spare time and probably enjoy the flying & freedom all the more without the stresses of bullying management.
In an industry where employees are becoming part of the revenue stream, remuneration packages have been declining over the long term, and the whole show is entirely dependent on cheap oil, I've decided that it's not the wisest path for me (at least in the current economic climate). Is it really the best thing for you, now?
I might re-visit that decision if the situation changes, but for now, I'm happy not being part of the biggest gamble there is and flying for fun.
For Vito, you should be thinking about whether, in the long run, you would be better off finding work in an alternate industry, for the time being anyway, start chipping away at the debt and building the firm foundations of a "Plan B".
I know you've spent a lot of money to get this far, we all have, but maybe the right thing to do is to bravely say to Cityjet/Ryanair/Etc, "Thank you for the invite to interview, but I won't pay you to interview me and the associated travel expenses or pay you to train me in your aircraft, goodbye".
Although the last couple of years have often been called "The Good Times" - they've also come at a time of very cheap money, which has increased the number of wannabees in the market as well as encouraging the SSTR. The cheap money era has come to an end. You probably have several decades of a career ahead of you, waiting a few years on the sidelines won't hurt. Even if there is some apocalyptic meltdown of the aviation industry over the next few years at least you'll have some experience behind you in another industry.
Like Canada Goose, I come from an engineering background. For the last job interview I had, I was flown half-way round the world for the interview (1 week in a hotel, car hire, food, all paid for just for a 1-day interview), when I accepted the job I was given a 5 figure sum to "assist in my relocation costs". I was 24 at the time with just 2 years experience. This wasn't for a high-flying executive position, it was just for a job where my skillset was in demand.
Vito, you've come a long way so far but you should objectively consider all the risks with continuing to pursue aviation in the current way. In another career path, you could still instruct in your spare time and probably enjoy the flying & freedom all the more without the stresses of bullying management.
In an industry where employees are becoming part of the revenue stream, remuneration packages have been declining over the long term, and the whole show is entirely dependent on cheap oil, I've decided that it's not the wisest path for me (at least in the current economic climate). Is it really the best thing for you, now?
I might re-visit that decision if the situation changes, but for now, I'm happy not being part of the biggest gamble there is and flying for fun.
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Some clarity here please. I used to fly for Cityjet and know for a fact that they do NOT charge anything for Aptitude, Interview or Sim. To suggest otherwise is incorrect.
You simply pay your way to the asssessment site. Thats fair enough to me.
As with everywhere there are a few issues which have largely been addressed since I left.
Also, there are many great guys/gals flying for them and I bet they are grateful that you are still on the outside.
Get a life and grow up!!!!!!
Tom
Some clarity here please. I used to fly for Cityjet and know for a fact that they do NOT charge anything for Aptitude, Interview or Sim. To suggest otherwise is incorrect.
You simply pay your way to the asssessment site. Thats fair enough to me.
As with everywhere there are a few issues which have largely been addressed since I left.
Also, there are many great guys/gals flying for them and I bet they are grateful that you are still on the outside.
Get a life and grow up!!!!!!
Tom
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Perhaps you should consider following up your interview with a letter along the lines of "may the flies of a thousand plagues infest your rotting carcass!" That should help make sure that they remember you next time you send in your CV.
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From PPJN -
New agreement with the french flight school EPAG at Lille. EPAG will select suitable candidates. Those candidates will have to pay for their training up to CPL IR ME ATPL frozen licence and then Cityjet will offer the MCC and type rating on the RJ AVRO. Training at EPAG is in french language. Cadets will be bonded and with a lower payscale. Bases will be BHX, LCY and DUB.
What does this, along with the FTE gig mean for the Sigmar thing in South Africa?
New agreement with the french flight school EPAG at Lille. EPAG will select suitable candidates. Those candidates will have to pay for their training up to CPL IR ME ATPL frozen licence and then Cityjet will offer the MCC and type rating on the RJ AVRO. Training at EPAG is in french language. Cadets will be bonded and with a lower payscale. Bases will be BHX, LCY and DUB.
What does this, along with the FTE gig mean for the Sigmar thing in South Africa?
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Yes....but no thanks
I applied to Cityjet last year and was invited to the assesment. A few weeks later I received a letter that said I have been succesful and that they will contact me soon to continue the recruitment process.
Then again a few weeks later I received a letter saying "Thank you for your interest, unfortunately your recruiment process will not be continued. Please apply again in 1 year." What the f%!¤“ck?
Something tells me their HR department is screwed up...I wouldn't recommend any 200hrs pilots to put much effort on Cityjet.
Was nice to see Paris though....something positive
Then again a few weeks later I received a letter saying "Thank you for your interest, unfortunately your recruiment process will not be continued. Please apply again in 1 year." What the f%!¤“ck?
Something tells me their HR department is screwed up...I wouldn't recommend any 200hrs pilots to put much effort on Cityjet.
Was nice to see Paris though....something positive
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I note that you are the same person who asked where have all the jobs gone then.
I do think that reading these two posts from yourself that you are a very angry and frustrated person. This you may well need to work on as unbeknown to yourself it may come through in an inteview.
I can understand your frustration however, you must learn how to deal with it.
Being called for an interview means that you do have the qualities that a company is looking for, you must now learn how to present them in person.
Best of luck
I do think that reading these two posts from yourself that you are a very angry and frustrated person. This you may well need to work on as unbeknown to yourself it may come through in an inteview.
I can understand your frustration however, you must learn how to deal with it.
Being called for an interview means that you do have the qualities that a company is looking for, you must now learn how to present them in person.
Best of luck
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Vito... you may never get that job..
For what it's worth, this Ppruner spent many years responsible for pilot recruitment and training with a major UK charter airline.
One of the boxes which HAD to be ticked was ATTITUDE... regardless of age, experience and qualifications.
I regret that, right now, your present attitude means that you don't even qualify for an interview...let alone a job!
Who in heaven's name would want to share 2, 4 or 6 sectors a day with you?
Sorry my friend.......... you're still on the bottom rung and the prognosis is not good.
I sincerely hope that you have an intimate relationship with modesty, reality and common sense very soon. You need the industry more than it needs you.
Regards, BM
One of the boxes which HAD to be ticked was ATTITUDE... regardless of age, experience and qualifications.
I regret that, right now, your present attitude means that you don't even qualify for an interview...let alone a job!
Who in heaven's name would want to share 2, 4 or 6 sectors a day with you?
Sorry my friend.......... you're still on the bottom rung and the prognosis is not good.
I sincerely hope that you have an intimate relationship with modesty, reality and common sense very soon. You need the industry more than it needs you.
Regards, BM
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yeah tick the box:
1. I have a great attitude and I will pay you for interview, type rating, line training and 6 months free salary.I am very flexible and I want be a martyr!
2. I have a bad attitude,if you want I work for you, please send me a flight ticket and book me a room so we can discuss seriously about my future in your company.
1. I have a great attitude and I will pay you for interview, type rating, line training and 6 months free salary.I am very flexible and I want be a martyr!
2. I have a bad attitude,if you want I work for you, please send me a flight ticket and book me a room so we can discuss seriously about my future in your company.
I REALLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE
You had a shot Vito, it didn't work out; take it on the chin and move on. I'm not that long employed in the industry but one thing is apparent - it is a very small world. You've heard of six degrees of separation - well I'd reckon in aviation its about three at most. There is no room to go around badmouthing anyone, not even on anonomous fora.
Keep chipping away, have patience and with the right attitude and a little luck something will come up for you.
sr
Keep chipping away, have patience and with the right attitude and a little luck something will come up for you.
sr
