Randhem Aviation and the Jet Airways sponsorship
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Promises,promises...
I begin to think it is just another scheme to make money.How come all these 'misunderstandings' lead to nowhere,still no answer for the rest of the pilots about when we are supposed to expect to start training after all these negotiations and meetings with Jet Airways.(only this clever proposition that we should fund our own training and move on!!!)
I begin to think it is just another scheme to make money.How come all these 'misunderstandings' lead to nowhere,still no answer for the rest of the pilots about when we are supposed to expect to start training after all these negotiations and meetings with Jet Airways.(only this clever proposition that we should fund our own training and move on!!!)
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What is YOUR problem??
hearing information you don't like to hear??
We're just giving information, trying to save people some time and money.
None of us can leave because we all have signed contracts!
Training has been done!
Leaving now, and we'll have to pay an extra 15000€!
hearing information you don't like to hear??
We're just giving information, trying to save people some time and money.
None of us can leave because we all have signed contracts!
Training has been done!
Leaving now, and we'll have to pay an extra 15000€!
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We've been put in a deep **** by Randhem and JA few weeks ago. We all decided to create an association to defend ourselves and to communicate by email or via pprune, because we all live in different countries.This association is RANDHEM PILOTS!
Since there has been a ******* lack of information given by Randhem aviation it's been usefull to create it!
Now, for all the persons not involved in this program, or who just want to make bad polotics, please don't come here to pollute our only way to share informations about our future life.
We're about 15 to 20 randhem pilotS talking as a same voice. So please occupy you of your own business.
Thanks.
Since there has been a ******* lack of information given by Randhem aviation it's been usefull to create it!
Now, for all the persons not involved in this program, or who just want to make bad polotics, please don't come here to pollute our only way to share informations about our future life.
We're about 15 to 20 randhem pilotS talking as a same voice. So please occupy you of your own business.
Thanks.
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Smith,
This is your only way to share information?
=> No, but this is the most convenient, specially to share infos with the randhem pilots we don't know yet. Those who didn't begin the training.
You don't have email or telephones where you come from?
=> No, because I live in a cave!
If you don't want, as you call it, pollution then don't air your dirty washing in a public forum.
=> My dirty washing is just about sharing a service between eachother. If you don't like what we say, don't read ours threads. I can tell you that we appreciate that association and that it's useful for us. No matter about what you can think of it. I hope you can imagine we don't like wasting our time with all this story, we don't do that for fun.
Accordinging to everyone else it is JA that have put a hold on financing the training?
=> Oh, yeah! you're right, according to Randhem(only)JA is the source of the problem.
Anyway, we don't care about who did this or that. The only thing we're waiting for is working as scheduled. Because today we're almost all unemployed due to the RANDHEM JA program.
thanks for understanding.
This is your only way to share information?
=> No, but this is the most convenient, specially to share infos with the randhem pilots we don't know yet. Those who didn't begin the training.
You don't have email or telephones where you come from?
=> No, because I live in a cave!
If you don't want, as you call it, pollution then don't air your dirty washing in a public forum.
=> My dirty washing is just about sharing a service between eachother. If you don't like what we say, don't read ours threads. I can tell you that we appreciate that association and that it's useful for us. No matter about what you can think of it. I hope you can imagine we don't like wasting our time with all this story, we don't do that for fun.
Accordinging to everyone else it is JA that have put a hold on financing the training?
=> Oh, yeah! you're right, according to Randhem(only)JA is the source of the problem.
Anyway, we don't care about who did this or that. The only thing we're waiting for is working as scheduled. Because today we're almost all unemployed due to the RANDHEM JA program.
thanks for understanding.
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This thread has been quiet for a while.Anyone has any update regarding the next training of cadets who are on holding pool?
Any information from Randhem or Jet Airways?(they are still 'negotiating'??)
Any information from Randhem or Jet Airways?(they are still 'negotiating'??)
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I quote directly from Flightnight on another thread:
"I've travelled extensively in Southeast Asia for the past 25 years and have spent periods of time in India, including Bangalore.
At present there are a lot of MNC folks living in different parts of the country, mostly executives, entrepreneurs, educationists, spiritual and health care seekers, dual residents etc.
Living in India can be an adventure on its own for a "Westerner". Contagious diseases , hygiene, bureaucracy, visible poverty, communal unrest, unpredictable availability of basic necessities like water and electricity etc. Most folks who travel regularly and relocate are aware of these conditions and prepare themselves and their families.
The outsourced pilot in India is basically, a highly paid manual laborer (you have no rights or protections and rules and regulations can be changed without warning).
Indian folks are warm, courteous and patient.
Anyways, before you decide to sign that .........line, take a trip by yourself /wife/kids and experience India. It may be "for better or for worse", not just a repeat after me statement."
Now, there's a man who knows what he's talking about. Needless to say, it's a real pity that everyone, including TRTOs and outside companies doing business in the country, don't take that on board before they promise things that they can't deliver.
"I've travelled extensively in Southeast Asia for the past 25 years and have spent periods of time in India, including Bangalore.
At present there are a lot of MNC folks living in different parts of the country, mostly executives, entrepreneurs, educationists, spiritual and health care seekers, dual residents etc.
Living in India can be an adventure on its own for a "Westerner". Contagious diseases , hygiene, bureaucracy, visible poverty, communal unrest, unpredictable availability of basic necessities like water and electricity etc. Most folks who travel regularly and relocate are aware of these conditions and prepare themselves and their families.
The outsourced pilot in India is basically, a highly paid manual laborer (you have no rights or protections and rules and regulations can be changed without warning).
Indian folks are warm, courteous and patient.
Anyways, before you decide to sign that .........line, take a trip by yourself /wife/kids and experience India. It may be "for better or for worse", not just a repeat after me statement."
Now, there's a man who knows what he's talking about. Needless to say, it's a real pity that everyone, including TRTOs and outside companies doing business in the country, don't take that on board before they promise things that they can't deliver.
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According to Jetairways the deal is still on the table though but things are going slow and security clearance for the first batch of pilots need to be approved before they will be invited down there. The security clearance are however received and under process according to JA.
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Has anybody contacted JA ? According to MRandhem there is a lack of communication with them. I'm looking forward to seeing what they will tell us, since we're linked by a contract. They should respect it, but I know it's India... These email adresses are the ones Randhem gave us last June when the programm first screw up:
[email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
JRT, when you say"According to Jetairways the deal is still on the table though", where does this info come from, and is it only for the students whom have finished the whole training package or also for those who only did the Type Rating.
About Randhem now, they are not only a training provider!!! they made commercial on the web, they made a selection in order to hire us for JA. They did act like a job agency. They can't, now that the situation is critical, escape from their responsibility.
We don't have to support the wheight of all this story and the likely bad contract Randhem has negociate with JA. Just to say that if we pay for our training, which Randhem wants and in the other hand what we need to do otherwise we won't have any rating to find a job, I can't understand why we should pay for the entire Traning price. Since JA has already paid 20% to 80% of our training.
I know Randhem aviation is a business company, but they can't ask us to pay twice for the same training.
BYE, and good luck everybody. Bad period.
[email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
JRT, when you say"According to Jetairways the deal is still on the table though", where does this info come from, and is it only for the students whom have finished the whole training package or also for those who only did the Type Rating.
About Randhem now, they are not only a training provider!!! they made commercial on the web, they made a selection in order to hire us for JA. They did act like a job agency. They can't, now that the situation is critical, escape from their responsibility.
We don't have to support the wheight of all this story and the likely bad contract Randhem has negociate with JA. Just to say that if we pay for our training, which Randhem wants and in the other hand what we need to do otherwise we won't have any rating to find a job, I can't understand why we should pay for the entire Traning price. Since JA has already paid 20% to 80% of our training.
I know Randhem aviation is a business company, but they can't ask us to pay twice for the same training.
BYE, and good luck everybody. Bad period.
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As far as I'm concerned, I'm going to sue JA, and I have already met a lawyer, who suggested me to tell you to do the same...this is the only solution to manage to solve our prejudices: waste of time, waste of money, watse of job, ...
Anyway, we must get back our deposit of 5000euros, and on the other hand, we musn't pay anything to Randhem. We should all do that, stay all together, and go in the same way: this is our strength!
Good luck to everyone, and keep in touch.
Anyway, we must get back our deposit of 5000euros, and on the other hand, we musn't pay anything to Randhem. We should all do that, stay all together, and go in the same way: this is our strength!
Good luck to everyone, and keep in touch.
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I sent email to all of these adresses but i did not get one single reply!
Anyone knows any tel number to speak to someone?
Email doesnt seem to help much,they probably dont want to commit by giving any reply by email,perhaps on the phone would be easier to get some kind of information.
Anyone knows any tel number to speak to someone?
Email doesnt seem to help much,they probably dont want to commit by giving any reply by email,perhaps on the phone would be easier to get some kind of information.
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Guys,
I just spoke on the phone with Jet airways. This Person told me to tell you all that the chairman of Jet Airways (Arash Goyal) has appointed capt. Morris Devaz to help us by answering phones and tell us the updates. Phone Nr +91 99 201 33962.
Good luck.
I just spoke on the phone with Jet airways. This Person told me to tell you all that the chairman of Jet Airways (Arash Goyal) has appointed capt. Morris Devaz to help us by answering phones and tell us the updates. Phone Nr +91 99 201 33962.
Good luck.
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Having just completed my SSTR through Randhem Aviation on the 737 + NG on PANAM florida I would like ANYONE to stay as far away as possible from this organisation. It is a disaster zone no matter if you are through the Jet Airways program or your are self sponored. You will get absolutely no information from randhem aviation and they will be of absolutely no assistance when it comes to you.
I was ready for my skill test in Florida at was waiting for the inspector to arrive. Shoes were shining, nice tie... everything was ready. But guess what.. the inspector never showed up. He was back home in europe on a well deserved break but randhem never made sure that another inspector showed up. 6 guys very pissed off called alexander on randhem aviation and asked whats going on. He said it wasnt randhems fault and he did not care. we could wait another 2 weeks and the inspector would be back in florida. 6 guys now faced with delays, useless planetickets back home, extended hotel stays and more expenses due to randhems aviations ****ty way of running things. People then asked if they would be of any assistance in covering for their extra expenses as they found it unfair to them as paying customers. Alexander laughed at people on the phone and said that it could not even be considered that they would even cover an extra sim session before the new skill test date or hotel or anything else. He didnt care because it wasnt randhems fault, as he claimed. Me as a paying customer was absolutely amazed by their arrogance and lack of info all the way through this process.
Then there is another story about Star Air sending 6 guys on a 767 rating with randhem. Then on their final sim session they found out that randhem is not even JAA approved for the 767 rating as he claimed he was. the 767 manuals were simply 737 manuals with a cover that said 767. Even the figures inside the manual was 737
They went back home and started all over again.
The stories of this Randhem aviation place is many and they are not good. My advise to anyone else considering SSTR is choose someone else.. please.. for your own sake.. there are loads of places out there to buy a TR. Choose another place where you will get a good experience.
I truely feel sorry for all of you JetAirways guys who is put in a bad situation through Randhem. All I wanted to add to this thread was that its not that good on the selfsponsered side as well.
Best of luck to you all
FBB
I was ready for my skill test in Florida at was waiting for the inspector to arrive. Shoes were shining, nice tie... everything was ready. But guess what.. the inspector never showed up. He was back home in europe on a well deserved break but randhem never made sure that another inspector showed up. 6 guys very pissed off called alexander on randhem aviation and asked whats going on. He said it wasnt randhems fault and he did not care. we could wait another 2 weeks and the inspector would be back in florida. 6 guys now faced with delays, useless planetickets back home, extended hotel stays and more expenses due to randhems aviations ****ty way of running things. People then asked if they would be of any assistance in covering for their extra expenses as they found it unfair to them as paying customers. Alexander laughed at people on the phone and said that it could not even be considered that they would even cover an extra sim session before the new skill test date or hotel or anything else. He didnt care because it wasnt randhems fault, as he claimed. Me as a paying customer was absolutely amazed by their arrogance and lack of info all the way through this process.
Then there is another story about Star Air sending 6 guys on a 767 rating with randhem. Then on their final sim session they found out that randhem is not even JAA approved for the 767 rating as he claimed he was. the 767 manuals were simply 737 manuals with a cover that said 767. Even the figures inside the manual was 737
They went back home and started all over again.The stories of this Randhem aviation place is many and they are not good. My advise to anyone else considering SSTR is choose someone else.. please.. for your own sake.. there are loads of places out there to buy a TR. Choose another place where you will get a good experience.
I truely feel sorry for all of you JetAirways guys who is put in a bad situation through Randhem. All I wanted to add to this thread was that its not that good on the selfsponsered side as well.
Best of luck to you all
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737 manuals with a 767 cover on them, this is the professional world of aviation, do you really believe that?
More and more people are seeing avaition training providers as some form of consumer item where convience is packaged in too. You no doubt recall from your ATPL studies that it's a mosiac of many pieces and I agree if one piece is missing then things can possibly stop working. It's a "dog eat dog" industry at times along with personalities fuelled by egos. So if an inspector doesn't want to turn up we have wait, I don't agree but what can you do. I gather the inspector is actually from the licencing authority and not a Randhem employee thus they have little control over this. I dearly symphathise with your concerns on this but I don't think this "I'm the customer" approach will wash with any aviation authority they consider themselves untouchable. More old Randhem have however provided you with the contracted service and that's there job done.
It's tough I know but hey-ho at the next step you'll get an unexpected bonus that some other job hunting wannabe won't .... who knows but I'm sure it'll all even out in the end.
More and more people are seeing avaition training providers as some form of consumer item where convience is packaged in too. You no doubt recall from your ATPL studies that it's a mosiac of many pieces and I agree if one piece is missing then things can possibly stop working. It's a "dog eat dog" industry at times along with personalities fuelled by egos. So if an inspector doesn't want to turn up we have wait, I don't agree but what can you do. I gather the inspector is actually from the licencing authority and not a Randhem employee thus they have little control over this. I dearly symphathise with your concerns on this but I don't think this "I'm the customer" approach will wash with any aviation authority they consider themselves untouchable. More old Randhem have however provided you with the contracted service and that's there job done.
It's tough I know but hey-ho at the next step you'll get an unexpected bonus that some other job hunting wannabe won't .... who knows but I'm sure it'll all even out in the end.
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"737 manuals with a 767 cover on them, this is the professional world of aviation, do you really believe that? ¨"
Yes I do... I was there at the time. And the guys was send back home to restart the 767 Rating with another TR provider.
"I gather the inspector is actually from the licencing authority and not a Randhem employee thus they have little control over this."
I know the inspector is from the licensing authority and not Randhem but this could easyly been prevented with minimum communication and effort from Randhem. Its not rocket science. Point is that Randhem dont seem to give a sh.. about people after they paid.. and thats standard i guess... but my advice is to warn future pilots to stay away from this bunch of people in the future and go somewhere else.
My course was delayed 14 days after I arrived. Did they tell me before I arrvied. No. Did they promiss me refund from the extra hotelstays, Yes. did i ever receive it. NO. And now they dont answer me anymore even though I have been very polite all the way.
Yes I do... I was there at the time. And the guys was send back home to restart the 767 Rating with another TR provider.
"I gather the inspector is actually from the licencing authority and not a Randhem employee thus they have little control over this."
I know the inspector is from the licensing authority and not Randhem but this could easyly been prevented with minimum communication and effort from Randhem. Its not rocket science. Point is that Randhem dont seem to give a sh.. about people after they paid.. and thats standard i guess... but my advice is to warn future pilots to stay away from this bunch of people in the future and go somewhere else.
My course was delayed 14 days after I arrived. Did they tell me before I arrvied. No. Did they promiss me refund from the extra hotelstays, Yes. did i ever receive it. NO. And now they dont answer me anymore even though I have been very polite all the way.