MrHorgy

I know, it's pretty shocking, I put it to them that as you were already a pilot and you needed the 738 rating to be employed then surely you could offset it but they said no. It might be worth trying to ask though, as one might have differnt interpretations of the relevant legislation. One thing I didn't ask is if you could offset a loan payment against your tax bill, that's on the list for tomorrow's call.

What you can claim (from what I can gather from my accountant mother) is literally ANYTHING to do with your business, as long as you can prove it is a legitimate business expense. Car parking, ID, your car, your fuel to the airport, etc..

Horgy

Jet Fuel Addict

Taking I will probably get a Brookfield contract at the end of Line Training,
I am left with this question
The pay you receive from BRK is 60E pbh. is that all or is that on top of a basic salary? (ppjn is a bit confusing with all this)

any info greatly appreciated

JFA.

MrHorgy

PPJN needs a cleanup to get rid of the waffle.

60E per block hour minus 4.50E per block hour for sim. AFter you have 500 hours it goes to 80E, then over 1500 you get 85E an hour. All with said sim deduction.

Working out of another base or hotbasing will add another 20E per block hour to your salary. This is all you get.

Horgy

Jet Fuel Addict

Thanks Mr. Horgy.

I think PPJN indeed needs to clean up his mess, at least now I've got a good idea of what I can expect. all these different rumours going round, I don't think anyone is sure about what ryanair (or brookfield) offers anymore.

Just out of interest, can anyone tell me what the deal would be if you join as an F/O for ryanair (not contractor) basically what the big differences are between RYR and BRK?

I know chances for these are slim but you never know, right?

Greets.

JFA

StallStrip

Dear all Merry Christmas,

I would like to know wether after passing a the Assesment Ryr give you any kind of documentation to enable you to borrow money from the banks for the TRC?

I have already been to see a couple of banks and they said they would need to see some sort of paper work, if you could let me know it woud be much appreciated.

Thanks Stallstrip

EGAC_Ramper

Just for your info

Ryr FO payscale immediately after 6month half sector pay you get a monthly salary of £1300 after tax. Then aswell as this your sector pay comes in at just under £20 per hour. Although i believe the new Bristol base guys are on £16!! So a full flying month can net you £2000 average month about £12-1400 and no tax is paid on this

One thing to note however is this payscale in for the 2007 pay deal that some bases did/did not vote for. So once again you will have to find sum1 from a base that voted no to explain.


Regards

interested123

nick14

Have recently been offered a Type rating course with FR.

I have been told that I will recieve a Line Training Brookfield contract from day 1.

As I understand the rates of pay will be nothing untill safety pilot release, around E25 (after safety pilot release) then after line check E50 untill 500 hours on type then E75 till 1500 then E80.

All pay is per Sheduled Block Hour, so if you are supposed to fly to dublin and back taking 1 hour, then you will be paid for 1 hour no matter what happens.

N

MrHorgy

Interested - Most of that is incorrect.

Once selected, you pay for your type rating. Your type rating begins with a week in East Midlands, then the rest at either SAS in Stockholm, or CAE in Amsterdam. You fund this, the accomodation, your food, your beer and easy women yourself.

Upon completion, you are offered the Brookfield line training contract (this is new since I trained, so details I don't have to hand), and ASKED where your preference to train is - they'll try and accomodate you as best they can. i wanted STN and got LTN, which turned out even better.

You will start ine training, which has to be completed in a minimum of 84(?) sectors. You start with a safety pilot, and once a minimum of 12 sectors has passed you are eligible to have him released. It normally takes around this. Once you have release, you start earning your Brookfield line training salary per hour.

Once you have your line training complete, you will be based. Again, the company ENDEAVOURS to give you a base you want - there's no point having unhappy pilots unless you got on someones goat.

You then fly. Get a rise at 500 hours on type. You remain a cadet/second officer until 1500 hours on type or 1 year service, that's when you get your third stripe.

• You don't get stuck line training for 6 months
• You don't get shipped off to Dublin with no chance of parole
• You aren't tied to your base for 5 years

Although yes, you DO have to finance your licence transfer to the IAA.

Nick -

Yeah that's right, you get paid per SCHEDULED block hour. Doesn't make a difference on short sectors really, but sometimes the Sched is 3:05 and actual is 2:40. If you get a few long days this build up, then IF you get delayed one day, that surplus is evaporated I guess. The companies point of you is we pay you quite a lot, tax free, so if you want us to pay per duty hour we're reducing the rate. At that point, you can see your no better off. They do pay for HOTAC (obviously) if you get stuck downroute.

Horgy

nick14

Many thanks for clarification Mr Horgey

I have no problem with the way the company operate, its because they are so careful that they are so successful!!

N

finals40

nick 14, you alreafy getting the TR contract?

nick14

Not recieved it yet, just what I have been told by the office.

N

TTango

Quick question chaps.

If you successfully complete the selection and TR, is there anything in the contract that states Ryanair (or Brookfield) will offer you a job? Basically can they send you on your way despite having successfully passed and paid for the TR course?

MVE

What a shambles this company is! I pity all you guys with no other option but to prostitute yourself for these cowboys. Lets hope things improve soon and you get other options.

MrHorgy

No. But then again, CTC will not put in a contract your getting a job - infact no company will probably put something in writing. It's just generally assumed.

MVE - I'm happy, so are many other guys, we just tire of the bleating on Pprune. I get paid in Euros as well, so i've had a payrise of at least 25% in the last few months thanks to the exchange rate and the decline of sterling. And I still have a job. On a shiny jet. And... SHOCK HORROR, I enjoy it.

Horgy

MrHorgy

Sky Capt,

That is under the old system. The new system mean no pay til sector pilot release (about a week) then roughly 50Euros per block hour. Line Training pilots are cheap so you'll do about 85 Hours a month til your punted in to the big boys pay and you've finished line training. I make that roughly 4250 Euros a month before tax, converted to sterling at current rates gives...

£3,717.73.

Even then, under the old system, I worked for approximately 2 months at £750 a month, then got half sector cheque (tax free), which bumped it up to around £1700 a month after I got my first Line Check.

I am still fairly low houred, but last month I got just over 6000Euros before tax.

Strange, I don't feel like i'm being bent over the desk, like most people tell I am. Still, I could be at easyjet (wait, they stopped taking guys) on £1000 a month for 6 months. Yeah that's much better.

Horgy

GrahamK123

And where are all these turbo-prop jobs?

MrHorgy

The Floor recognises your rant

The problem is I don't see any turboprop jobs going. When I finished training I was straight on the blower to Aurigny, Eastern, Atlantic and Loganair (who I especially wanted to work) but was met with a brick wall. Have you got 500 hours on type? Was the norm.

Type rating now will set you back around 28000Euros, so I paid just over £21,000 a year ago.

One thing I object to in your post is your accusation that just because we went straight to jets we have poor handling skills. I take great pride in my flying and I don't believe that's the case in the slightest. I regularly handfly my aircraft up to over 20,000 feet (anything more and it's generally frowned on) and will happily disconnect passing that same level in the descent. That's not a Ryanair trait either, saying people can't fly properly because they didn't steam around in Cessna's for 6 years is like saying you can't drive because you didn't race Go karts at 13 years old.

Horgy

Mikehotel152

I am interested to learn a little more about the requirement to obtain an IAA FCL once you join Ryanair.

1) Are there exams and significant costs involved?

2) Is it akin to validating your UK CAA FCL or does your original licence lapse?

3) If I want to hire/fly a G-reg SEP/MEP in the UK for flying in my own time, can I do this on my new IAA FCL?

4) Is it easy to swop back to a UK FCL if you move on from Ryanair?

Many thanks for any answers.


PS: MrHorgy I can only echo your comments about getting onto Turbo-props. It does seem like a catch-22 regarding those initial hours. What's more, I have spoken with 4 Airline Captains recently - Thomas Cook, Ryanair, Singapore, Polar - and all have said an FI rating is not worth getting. In any case there are no FI jobs...

MrHorgy

Under JAR, your licence is valid Europewide. It's more an administrative thing than anything. Costs you about 400Euros I seem to think, and takes about 10 weeks (paperwork between CAA and IAA etc). After that, you surrender your licence to the IAA either by post or in person and they give you an Irish one.

It's purely a paperwork exercise - any ratings (SE, Inst, etc) will be transferred to your new licence, and you can continue to fly aircraft on the G register. Be warned though, light aircraft flying is generally not allowed at Ryanair, as you might breach the 900 hours a year mark. I know some guys who fly, but do so in a slightly under the table fashion.

Horgy