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Hi all
Latest I've heard is that the ex-cadets are being interviewed over the next few days, with a view to a course date in June.IALPA are said to be trying to get EI to start them on the equivalent of Year 5 pay and conditions,which is not going down well with some of the established heads...Don't suppose there's any chance of Mannion contacting all the laid-off engineer apprentices and rehiring them on such generous terms?
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TDD
Latest I've heard is that the ex-cadets are being interviewed over the next few days, with a view to a course date in June.IALPA are said to be trying to get EI to start them on the equivalent of Year 5 pay and conditions,which is not going down well with some of the established heads...Don't suppose there's any chance of Mannion contacting all the laid-off engineer apprentices and rehiring them on such generous terms?
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TDD
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Originally Posted by johnrizzo2000
those cadets are soo lucky!!! come on EI, start a new cadet programme! Even an easyjet/ flybe style programme!!!!!!!!!!!
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I hope EI start a new cadet programme for all those young Irish wannabes including myself ! Since they have not recruited since Sept 11th alot of young wannabes with potentional have missed out and now they will have their chance of fulfilling their lifelong dream. I think they will but this time next year ! It will be a green version of the Easyjet cadet programme though ! Fingers crossed in the meantime !
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From what I hear there's little chance of a cadet scheme starting in the near future. Even if it was going to start, I would not be relying on it as I think its easier to win the lotto than get on the cadet scheme!!
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captwannabe,
Good suggestion. Not only will that keep out Johnny Foreigner, if properly applied and tested (by Gael Linn at the very least) it should exclude about 80% of the Republic's population too thereby reducing the number of future applicants to about 10.
Good suggestion. Not only will that keep out Johnny Foreigner, if properly applied and tested (by Gael Linn at the very least) it should exclude about 80% of the Republic's population too thereby reducing the number of future applicants to about 10.
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Originally Posted by RogerIrrelevant69
captwannabe,
Good suggestion. Not only will that keep out Johnny Foreigner, if properly applied and tested (by Gael Linn at the very least) it should exclude about 80% of the Republic's population too thereby reducing the number of future applicants to about 10.
Good suggestion. Not only will that keep out Johnny Foreigner, if properly applied and tested (by Gael Linn at the very least) it should exclude about 80% of the Republic's population too thereby reducing the number of future applicants to about 10.
I think it is possible they will start a scheme through CTC. They have already hired a few CTC graduates, and it won't cost them anything until they hire the cadets.
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i think having leaving cert irish wouldnt be such a bad idea, as part of the cadet programme requirements! but thats just me, and also because i can speak irish!!! you need spanish for iberia, lets have it so you need irish for aerlingus! it'll make the whole airline greener!
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Captwannabe I can see where you are coming from with your idea but I dont think it would be fair ! Gaeigle is the worst thought language in our Secondary Schools today ! I spent 14yrs learning the language and I still cannot figure the bloody thing out ! I spent 6 learning French and I am very good at French ! Goes to show how badly thought Gaeilge actually is ! Fewer and Fewer students are doing Honours Irish for the Leaving Cert simply because its too hard and there are very few teachers out there who can actually teach the language properly !
Slan !
Slan !
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cheekycapt,
Wasn't just me then! How many hours of my life did I spend listening (or not as the case may be) to that bloody language being shoved down my throat year after year. Back in my day you had pass the bugger in the Leaving to actually get an overall pass (whatever the hell that meant). The fact that I and a good number of my school buddies could ace every maths and science subject under the sun was irrelevant to the Gaeilge mafia who ran the Dept. of Education back in those days.
Ironic thing is now I would actually like to be able to speak Gaeilge. But any thoughts like that when I was a youth were beaten out of me through utter tedium.
Good old days my arse.
Anyway for you youngsters out there I'm sure no such barrier will appear. The last time Aer Lingus recruited I believe they did actually employ one or two non-Irish residents. But the vast majority were from Ireland (north and south).
Wasn't just me then! How many hours of my life did I spend listening (or not as the case may be) to that bloody language being shoved down my throat year after year. Back in my day you had pass the bugger in the Leaving to actually get an overall pass (whatever the hell that meant). The fact that I and a good number of my school buddies could ace every maths and science subject under the sun was irrelevant to the Gaeilge mafia who ran the Dept. of Education back in those days.
Ironic thing is now I would actually like to be able to speak Gaeilge. But any thoughts like that when I was a youth were beaten out of me through utter tedium.
Good old days my arse.
Anyway for you youngsters out there I'm sure no such barrier will appear. The last time Aer Lingus recruited I believe they did actually employ one or two non-Irish residents. But the vast majority were from Ireland (north and south).
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Hi Captwannabe
"I think it is possible they will start a scheme through CTC. They have already hired a few CTC graduates, and it won't cost them anything until they hire the cadets."
Just wondering what your source for this info is? I didn't realise they were signed up to CTC.
"I think it is possible they will start a scheme through CTC. They have already hired a few CTC graduates, and it won't cost them anything until they hire the cadets."
Just wondering what your source for this info is? I didn't realise they were signed up to CTC.
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cheekycapt,
I completely understand your point of view. I have been learning Irish for almost 13 years so far, and French for 6 years (learned a bit in Primary School). I am unable to use the Irish language properly, but if I'm lucky I might get a B in LCHL next year (what a joke of a subject!). I can understand French much better, Irish just isn't a practical language. But, if they required cadets to have LC Irish even at ordinary level, it would be a good thing. It would/should never have to be spoken when working for Aer Lingus.
A38lephant,
They're not signed up to CTC, but when they were looking for pilots, they went to both CTC and FTE (not sure about Oxford). Check out their websites and you'll see. BA and a number of other airlines have acted similarly.
I completely understand your point of view. I have been learning Irish for almost 13 years so far, and French for 6 years (learned a bit in Primary School). I am unable to use the Irish language properly, but if I'm lucky I might get a B in LCHL next year (what a joke of a subject!). I can understand French much better, Irish just isn't a practical language. But, if they required cadets to have LC Irish even at ordinary level, it would be a good thing. It would/should never have to be spoken when working for Aer Lingus.
A38lephant,
They're not signed up to CTC, but when they were looking for pilots, they went to both CTC and FTE (not sure about Oxford). Check out their websites and you'll see. BA and a number of other airlines have acted similarly.
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I don't think Irish should be a requirement. Spanish is the primary language in Spain; German is the primary language in Germany. Irish is what in Ireland? A language that’s forced upon primary and secondary school students and that’s not used in most parts of Ireland. Would be very unfair I think as it would rule out a lot of good pilots from entering Aer Lingus. Saying Irish is the same as Spanish or German just isn’t right.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for our national language, I just don't think it should be forced upon people to learn.
Just my thoughts (and no I can't put two words together in Irish, but I can fly a plane...).
Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for our national language, I just don't think it should be forced upon people to learn.
Just my thoughts (and no I can't put two words together in Irish, but I can fly a plane...).
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TolTol,
I don't think that it should be forced on people. But, since it is a statutory requirement of our education system, and it will be an official EU language next year, if Aer Lingus required cadets to pass Irish for Leaving Cert, then our national airline would be hiring young Irish nationals. I'm not saying that Irish should be spoken on the flight deck! English is the language of aviation.
I don't think that it should be forced on people. But, since it is a statutory requirement of our education system, and it will be an official EU language next year, if Aer Lingus required cadets to pass Irish for Leaving Cert, then our national airline would be hiring young Irish nationals. I'm not saying that Irish should be spoken on the flight deck! English is the language of aviation.
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On the FTO's websites, it says that Aer Lingus have recruited from these schools. I don't know exactly when they were hired, but if they have hired from these places in the past, and are looking for pilots now...................
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The last group of around 30 Direct Entry Pilots recruited into EI was mid 2000, all from a wide variety of backgrounds and experience. Some were recruited directly from Oxford (self sponsored) as that was where EI had all its 37 cadets at the time.
The other DE's ranged from Airline TRE's, Capts and FO's, Air Corps, RAF, USAF, General Aviation, and fresh out of various training schools!!! All of whom able to speak varying dialects of Irish!
The other DE's ranged from Airline TRE's, Capts and FO's, Air Corps, RAF, USAF, General Aviation, and fresh out of various training schools!!! All of whom able to speak varying dialects of Irish!