The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.
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That depends on the time you finish your course and the supply and demand curves at that point. Many airlines will programme their entrant training courses in the Winter/Spring, before the busiest periods of the year. This means that they will want names on paperwork in the Autumn/Winter. If that is when you graduate, and their is sufficient demand, you might get a very quick or seamless placement. I saw quite a few people do this during December/January 2011/12.
Placements require demand from airline companies, and that is difficult to predict. I am seeing people coming through to placement airlines who have been waiting 9-12 Months. In the past, the waiting times have been longer than this in some cases.
The terms for the type rating depend on the placement airline. Some require that you pay for this, and some don't require any payment at all. In the case of the latter, you would be "bonded" for a sum on a depreciating scale should you leave the company within a short time scale. If the placement didn't result in a subsequent offer of employment, then the rating costs may be written off. However that very much depends on the individual airline and is certainly not the case with all of them.
Placements require demand from airline companies, and that is difficult to predict. I am seeing people coming through to placement airlines who have been waiting 9-12 Months. In the past, the waiting times have been longer than this in some cases.
The terms for the type rating depend on the placement airline. Some require that you pay for this, and some don't require any payment at all. In the case of the latter, you would be "bonded" for a sum on a depreciating scale should you leave the company within a short time scale. If the placement didn't result in a subsequent offer of employment, then the rating costs may be written off. However that very much depends on the individual airline and is certainly not the case with all of them.
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who knows?
There isn't a company that wouldn't like to believe that they will be in profit and expanding to take advantage of the enormous opportunities that are available in their respective marketplaces.
The reality is often much more subdued, with difficult economic trading conditions, cut throat competition, and whatever it takes to ensure their survival, much higher on the agenda.
You make the choices and live with the risks.
Choose wisely!
There isn't a company that wouldn't like to believe that they will be in profit and expanding to take advantage of the enormous opportunities that are available in their respective marketplaces.
The reality is often much more subdued, with difficult economic trading conditions, cut throat competition, and whatever it takes to ensure their survival, much higher on the agenda.
You make the choices and live with the risks.
Choose wisely!
This varies and depends on a number of factors:
1. How long you have had your license.
2. How current you are, when you last flew.
3. How many hours you have.
4. Do the hours accurately represent your actual flying ability.
5. Whether or not you personally feel you meet the standard CTC want without needing remedial training.
You are given the chance to request a shorter course before you leave for NZ. The head of training puts in the request and you are then assessed by an instructor over a number of lessons when you arrive in NZ. If you are at the level you say/your hours represent then you will cut out the lessons that you do not need.
1. How long you have had your license.
2. How current you are, when you last flew.
3. How many hours you have.
4. Do the hours accurately represent your actual flying ability.
5. Whether or not you personally feel you meet the standard CTC want without needing remedial training.
You are given the chance to request a shorter course before you leave for NZ. The head of training puts in the request and you are then assessed by an instructor over a number of lessons when you arrive in NZ. If you are at the level you say/your hours represent then you will cut out the lessons that you do not need.
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CTC runs cadet courses once every month at the moment. These are the general wings course and you are not preselected for any airline.
CTC also run their partnership courses with various airlines which pop up every now and then. Just have a look at their website for their current airline courses.
To answer the second part of your question, yes you will be eligible with over 100 hours. You will most certainly be entitled to a discount with that much experience as well.
CTC also run their partnership courses with various airlines which pop up every now and then. Just have a look at their website for their current airline courses.
To answer the second part of your question, yes you will be eligible with over 100 hours. You will most certainly be entitled to a discount with that much experience as well.
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Pilot Lad - If I were you hold out for the cadet schemes! There seem to be more and more around, and more in the offing! Although things seem good for the current cadets going through the original wings course as well. The courses run once a month and are a mix. You get people on the wings course mixed in with BA FPP and MPL guys for the ground school, although some courses are now doing both ATPL Theory and flying in New Zealand (these seem to be the MPL guys).
In respect to your hours, it completely depends on what your hours are on/when you got them/ if you want money off. I know of several people who have significant hours (200+) some of which aren't allowed to take a reduction in hours for the course, or who have chosen not to! After all its a flying course - why would you not want to fly! 100 Hours would definitely not hold you back from the Wings course, but I can't speak for the mentored schemes. Saying that I do know of people with PPL's plus experience on Flybe Wings and BAFPP.
In respect to your hours, it completely depends on what your hours are on/when you got them/ if you want money off. I know of several people who have significant hours (200+) some of which aren't allowed to take a reduction in hours for the course, or who have chosen not to! After all its a flying course - why would you not want to fly! 100 Hours would definitely not hold you back from the Wings course, but I can't speak for the mentored schemes. Saying that I do know of people with PPL's plus experience on Flybe Wings and BAFPP.
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So folks any comments on the info that was posted on ppjn today
easyJet (UK Contract) pilot jobs, payscales and entry requirements.
That must empty the pool down a little although I suspect it is still pretty deep
With all the direct entry position eJ is offering just now this could be the only recruitment from the CTC wings pool this winter. I can't see any recruitment elsewhere unless there is an imminent announcement...any thoughts?
easyJet (UK Contract) pilot jobs, payscales and entry requirements.
That must empty the pool down a little although I suspect it is still pretty deep
With all the direct entry position eJ is offering just now this could be the only recruitment from the CTC wings pool this winter. I can't see any recruitment elsewhere unless there is an imminent announcement...any thoughts?
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Sorry to go off topic from this to something that has been much discussed anyway, but can anyone suggest the best and most accurate Pilapt software for a CTC wings assessment day? There are a few and they range in price quite bit.
I need to know if it is worth paying 120 for cockpitweb, when there are other ones which only ask for 20 a month and seem to offer the same thing
Any recommendations would help a lot.
Thanks
I need to know if it is worth paying 120 for cockpitweb, when there are other ones which only ask for 20 a month and seem to offer the same thing
Any recommendations would help a lot.
Thanks
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So folks any comments on the info that was posted on ppjn today
easyJet (UK Contract) pilot jobs, payscales and entry requirements.
That must empty the pool down a little although I suspect it is still pretty deep
With all the direct entry position eJ is offering just now this could be the only recruitment from the CTC wings pool this winter. I can't see any recruitment elsewhere unless there is an imminent announcement...any thoughts?
easyJet (UK Contract) pilot jobs, payscales and entry requirements.
That must empty the pool down a little although I suspect it is still pretty deep
With all the direct entry position eJ is offering just now this could be the only recruitment from the CTC wings pool this winter. I can't see any recruitment elsewhere unless there is an imminent announcement...any thoughts?
Hold Pool
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Where did you get the idea that the hold pool must still be very deep? From what I have heard BA cityflyer, Easy and Thompson are all taking cadets for the 2013/2014 training window. I have also heard RUMOURS that cadets still in basic training (ie pre CPL) have been given dates to start type rating for EZY in this period. Add to that fact that courses finishing now and going into holdpool include many BAFPP, FlyBe, and Monarch preselected cadets and the future seems to be looking quite bright (but not necessarily Orange) for CTC Wings Cadets in training at the moment.
A couple of questions:
1) Does anyone know why the last couple of intakes have been so big? Will this create problems further down the line in NZ or have they enough capacity?
2) Does anyone know anything on the rumours that Qatar will be taking many cadets in 2014?
Where did you get the idea that the hold pool must still be very deep? From what I have heard BA cityflyer, Easy and Thompson are all taking cadets for the 2013/2014 training window. I have also heard RUMOURS that cadets still in basic training (ie pre CPL) have been given dates to start type rating for EZY in this period. Add to that fact that courses finishing now and going into holdpool include many BAFPP, FlyBe, and Monarch preselected cadets and the future seems to be looking quite bright (but not necessarily Orange) for CTC Wings Cadets in training at the moment.
A couple of questions:
1) Does anyone know why the last couple of intakes have been so big? Will this create problems further down the line in NZ or have they enough capacity?
2) Does anyone know anything on the rumours that Qatar will be taking many cadets in 2014?
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A couple of questions:
1) Does anyone know why the last couple of intakes have been so big? Will this create problems further down the line in NZ or have they enough capacity?
2) Does anyone know anything on the rumours that Qatar will be taking many cadets in 2014?
1) Does anyone know why the last couple of intakes have been so big? Will this create problems further down the line in NZ or have they enough capacity?
2) Does anyone know anything on the rumours that Qatar will be taking many cadets in 2014?
2. +/- 10 cadets every 2 months.
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OK that's interesting as I have conflicting information. I understand that Thomson are in fact going to recruit their cadets from inside the company. They have plenty of fATPL guys working as cabin crew and in their offices to more than cover their intake requirement.
As for BA Cityflyer there has been a rumour that some cadets were taken for their "hold pool". Nobody has been able to substantiate these claims however my friend who works at FTE says that is not the case as far as he knows, certainly not from CTC anyhow.
That leaves easyJet which at first instance sounds good however they are in the process of their largest experienced pilot recruitment campaign and as far as I understand there are no shortage of takers. This seriously limits the amount of places for future CTC guys as eJ will surely continue hiring experienced guys when they can get them for the price of cadets.
As for guys who haven't finished yet being given their TR dates already I'm trying desperately to get hold of another friend of mine that has been in the pool for a couple of months now and didn't have his date when we chatted on Tuesday so sounds a bit fishy to me.
As far as I know there haven't been any recent guys go through the system for flybe and Monarch only took a few anyhow. Also I understood that the main flow of BAFPP guys will finish late this year, early next but again this is only a few a month. Don't forget the BAFPP program was almost instantly cut short after it was released due to the BMI merger and although a CTC company manages them they are still split across 3 schools not just CTC watering the numbers down yet again.
As for your questions:
1. CTC has been trying to double the intake for over a year now but weren't able to because of the bottleneck in NZ. If the courses are now much larger I would like to believe this problem has been resolved. I would be cautious of believing this is due to eJ, its more to do with new owners looking for a nice ROI.
2. Interesting rumour, last time I looked into their Qatar relationship the first 20 guys that were sent out there last year were still not flying as they didn't have the training capacity for cadets available. This may have changed now and I will check into that but I've heard nothing different so far.
@Vipersrt10
Re Qatar, I assume you are referring to the new CTC MPL program with your numbers and therefore they refer to uptake and not placement (see my previous paragraph)?
OK that's interesting as I have conflicting information. I understand that Thomson are in fact going to recruit their cadets from inside the company. They have plenty of fATPL guys working as cabin crew and in their offices to more than cover their intake requirement.
As for BA Cityflyer there has been a rumour that some cadets were taken for their "hold pool". Nobody has been able to substantiate these claims however my friend who works at FTE says that is not the case as far as he knows, certainly not from CTC anyhow.
That leaves easyJet which at first instance sounds good however they are in the process of their largest experienced pilot recruitment campaign and as far as I understand there are no shortage of takers. This seriously limits the amount of places for future CTC guys as eJ will surely continue hiring experienced guys when they can get them for the price of cadets.
As for guys who haven't finished yet being given their TR dates already I'm trying desperately to get hold of another friend of mine that has been in the pool for a couple of months now and didn't have his date when we chatted on Tuesday so sounds a bit fishy to me.
As far as I know there haven't been any recent guys go through the system for flybe and Monarch only took a few anyhow. Also I understood that the main flow of BAFPP guys will finish late this year, early next but again this is only a few a month. Don't forget the BAFPP program was almost instantly cut short after it was released due to the BMI merger and although a CTC company manages them they are still split across 3 schools not just CTC watering the numbers down yet again.
As for your questions:
1. CTC has been trying to double the intake for over a year now but weren't able to because of the bottleneck in NZ. If the courses are now much larger I would like to believe this problem has been resolved. I would be cautious of believing this is due to eJ, its more to do with new owners looking for a nice ROI.
2. Interesting rumour, last time I looked into their Qatar relationship the first 20 guys that were sent out there last year were still not flying as they didn't have the training capacity for cadets available. This may have changed now and I will check into that but I've heard nothing different so far.
@Vipersrt10
Re Qatar, I assume you are referring to the new CTC MPL program with your numbers and therefore they refer to uptake and not placement (see my previous paragraph)?