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Old 5th Jul 2012, 03:04
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You certainly wouldn't want a part time job during groundschool. The only time it would be possible would be in the gap between groundschool and new zealand, which can be upto 5 weeks. You should still (according to the contract) request permission first. But again, as others have said, the groundschool is far to intense to have time for even one day a week.
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Old 5th Jul 2012, 12:18
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Guys and girls,

I didn't do the cadet scheme, but I would say that the amount of study to pass the ATPLs ( and the need to get a high %age pass rate) would preclude extra-curricular responsibilities.

I would recommend waiting until you have completed Line training. That is when most of the guys I fly with are starting to think about getting part-time jobs to supplement their income to service their debts. It will also ensure that you have some income coming in when your contract is not renewed after the initial 8 months.

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Old 9th Jul 2012, 23:03
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Hi All,

1.) Does anyone know when CTC contract to supply pilots to easyjet is up for renewal ?
- Nearly 90% of CTC placements go to easyjet. I see this as a major threat to anyone starting the CTC programme.


2.) Now that easyjet growth is slowing will CTC be able to place as many cadets with easyjet in the years to come ?

The terms of the flexicrew has declined significantly meaning there is a over supply in the labour market.

3.) How many cadets are placed then end up back in the pool after the initial placement ?
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Old 10th Jul 2012, 11:05
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1.) Does anyone know when CTC contract to supply pilots to easyjet is up for renewal ?
- Nearly 90% of CTC placements go to easyjet. I see this as a major threat to anyone starting the CTC programme.
Only about 30% have gone to Easyjet in 2012 so far, the others to Qatar, Monarch and either Thomas Cook or Thompson (one of the two).

2.) Now that easyjet growth is slowing will CTC be able to place as many cadets with easyjet in the years to come ?

The terms of the flexicrew has declined significantly meaning there is a over supply in the labour market.
No, but for the above reasons, demand from other partner airlines. Easy will still require pilots as there will be a continued stream of pilots moving to Dubai etc.

3.) How many cadets are placed then end up back in the pool after the initial placement ?
No idea I am afraid. Email CTC but it is probably sensitive information, but I'd assume it isn't a big proportion.
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Old 10th Jul 2012, 12:12
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Apparently the contract is up for renewal very soon. I doubt that EZY would not renew it....not sure what the terms might be though!!

Historically the vast majority of cadets have gone to EZY. With no growth over the next two years and a very small amount of people leaving then I do see this as a threat to CTC. I assume CTC see it as a threat also which is why they sold the business to the private equity firm to allow CTC to push into new markets!

I don't know the numbers but it’s not many placed this year with the other airlines. It’s a handful to each. Nothing like the volume EZY would always take. I would have thought that it was higher than 30% going to EZY. To be honest from what I hear I would have thought it was more like 30% going elsewhere than EZY???

CTC won't be able to place anywhere near as many to EZY over the next couple of years. No growth. Few command upgrades. Very few leaving. Few retiring. Beyond that who knows. But I see things slowing down markedly for CTC unless a new "customer" starts to take the same volumes in the desert or Asia.

There is an oversupply in the market. Definitely. At EZY flexi crew are flying less this summer than they did before. Still flying a reasonable amount but the flexi crew I fly with are definitely doing less than before.

Not many are returned to the hold pool. It has happened before and will happen after this summer when one course will go back to CTC. The better ones will be asked to return the following year apparently.

Add in that PARC seem to be supplying more and more to EZY also. In summary I think things are slowing down for CTC but they appear to know it and be trying to find alternative places for cadets. I would be cautious if starting now though. Not that anyone will listen mind.

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Old 20th Jul 2012, 08:44
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I'm starting on CP100 in September on the first Flybe Wings programme. I have been going through all the various admin things such as BBVA etc.

Have read through the joining pack it explains a lot about accomodation in the UK and what you'd expect. Just out of curiosity, what is the accomodation like whilst doing your ground school and intermediate training in the UK?

I know it's a rented, furnished and self-catering but wasn't sure if it's a complex such as university halls (I know it's not a caompus, just saying if its that type of building) but other people would be around you who aren't associated with flying or if you are in a terraced type house sharing with 4 or 5 other cadets on your course.

Any description of the type of accomodation would be perfect, cheers!

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Old 20th Jul 2012, 11:18
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Houses normally of 5 people, usually a modern detached house. Only exception would be those who stayed at Ashurst Lodge (google it) but that had a swimming pool!

Our house was a standard <10 yearold detached, mixture of single rooms and doubles with some ensuites. Neighbours were a mix but nobody from CTC lived near us. Some lived in Hamble, some in Ashurst and the others in the Eastleigh area. As far as I know, there are now a few houses in Hamble that CTC rent so that is probably the biggest concentration of cadets. Same deal in Bournemouth and Clearways/Peachgrove in New Zealand.
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Old 7th Aug 2012, 15:37
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Student card

Does anyone know if CTC cadets are eligible to have a student card? Most cards (NUS and ISIC) imply that as long as you are in full time education, that is enough. Seems like it ought to be legit but wondered if anyone had already explored this.
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Old 8th Aug 2012, 11:11
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CP102

I'm starting CP102 in November! Exciiiitingggg. When was your assessment day?
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Old 8th Aug 2012, 15:03
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@Bombarde

I got an ISIC card from STA Travel in Southampton without any problems. In New Zealand, you can use your CTC ID anywhere and they will take it. You are not eligible for an NUS so you cant use it for discounts at home.
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Old 8th Aug 2012, 16:27
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Excellent - many thanks.
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Old 9th Aug 2012, 10:13
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Hey Im due to start my ATPLs with CTC this month and was wondering if anyone could tell me what the standard of housing in SOuthampton is for cadets?
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Old 9th Aug 2012, 10:55
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Jesus, read the thread for god sake, I answered this question less than 5 posts ago.
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Old 13th Aug 2012, 19:42
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cp100

yeah cp100! we should start a facebook group!
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Old 14th Aug 2012, 11:29
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Are you seriously spending the best part of £100k during such a severe recession?

People taking this kind of gamble do not have the judgement to management risk in an airline environment. Those who can afford to loose it = fair enough however.
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Old 14th Aug 2012, 12:10
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Large numbers of Flexicrew being laid off for the winter by EZY, many with no pay.

How do you all expect to pay back your loans with no income?
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Old 15th Aug 2012, 01:13
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Ski season?

I am sure people can find some work. If I recall, the first BBVA payments are reduced and they go up afterwards a year or so. A hard worker can probably raise that money if necessary. I had 1 full time job and 2 part time jobs before starting with CTC, if you arn't fussy and can be bothered to work then it is doable (but I am not guaranteeing it will be fun).

Only a quarter to a third have gone to EZY this year according to the latest figures.
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Old 15th Aug 2012, 10:15
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Ski season
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Old 15th Aug 2012, 10:22
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Other than the FOs who were employed on 8 month contracts, 40 flexi pilots will be grounded for the winter.
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FANS, there is no risk to manage. CTC will provide all the milk and honey.

It's become a sport watching these usernames reappear in 12-18 months time asking incredulously why they have't found a job!
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