Rj111

Alright, alright you've twisted my arm. Bloody hell!

gliding777

To add further thoughts:
On our course, some 'short' ie had PPLs, some of us were 'long' ie no PPLs. Of the latter, two had a couple of hours' experience flights. I had no powered experience to my name, just gliding. One had done a degree in aerospace engineering.
Long and short of it is, you do not need flying experience, nor do I think it will gain you a massive advantage (though it will do absolutely no harm whatsoever) in the selection stage. All you need is to prove your motivation, be it through getting a PPL, working in the industry, gliding/UAS, or maybe family connection. Yes, if you go for a trial lesson you will get a feel for flying. But what if the weather's bad (will put you in good stead for NZ mind!) and you don't enjoy it? Remember too that you won't be in a light aircraft forever, the 757/737/Airbus handles a bit different to a Katana!
To summarise, my feelings are that if you can prove a motivation to the job, commitment to study and determination to succeed that will stand you in good stead for the interview. Just my tuppence worth, use or discard as you feel appropriate!

rusty_y2k2

While I agree that it isn't something that passing all the phases is contingent on, would you not consider it almost "necessary" to at least have had a single trial lesson before embarking down a career that requires you to take substantial financial risk and investment of time? I wanted to be a lawyer for quite some time, and as far as I knew I absolutely wanted to do it... a month or two of work experience in various firms showed me that I absolutely did not.


Anyway, just to give this post a bit more value, would it not be safe to say that if it is at all within your means a minimum of a single trial lesson would be recommended? I personally believe that beyond giving you a tiny taste of flying it also lends everything you say in the interview about why you want to fly that little bit more authority. Rather than saying "I think" you can say "I know"....

But hey, that's just one guy's view. Feel free to take or leave my advice!


As an aside regarding the weather comment, my first flight was in some seriously turbulent weather (for a light aircraft) and I stepped out of the aircraft grinning from ear to ear, it was great fun getting chucked all over the place - like alton towers but better !

flyhiguy28

Is anyone going to Phase 3 on 22 Nov?

They've changed the venue and I just wondered if anyone else has booked into the hotel it's being held in. If you have (or going to), message me - it would be nice to meet up for a beer the night before phase 3!

Cheers.

P.S. Sorry if this falls outside the strict remit of the new and improved CTC forum...

newbie008

has anyone reapplied after being unsuccessful and managed to get back on the application process, as I know it says you cant reapply unless selected?

ramshorn

Evening all!!

Does anyone have any idea of the marks that are required to pass the CTC Pilot aptitude tests?
I think that they are marked in the form of hits and misses.
Any ideas would be appreciated as I am preparing for the tests on Friday.

Thankyou

flyhiguy28

Hi Newbie,

From reading previous threads I don't think that you can re-apply. However if I were you I wouldn't let it stop you, what's the worse that can happen?

In fact whilst having the presentation from Capt Steve Billet in Phase 2 he said something along the lines of if you are unsuccessful then don't allow it to put you off re-applying.

Go for it! And good luck...

planecrazy.eu

Not to sure what your asking, i have been working on an essay all day so my eyes have had it...

I took Pilapt, and it goes on Marks out of ten, I got a fair few 9's but no 10's. I think 10's are for cool and slick people who are bang on with everything and dead correct...

When i took it, an Avrg of 7 was needed, may have changed now as it was more or less a year ago, well 8 months...

They have a nice colorful print out at the end, and the raw marks, cant really say much more about Pilapt as it was pretty easy...

The only things that cause minor problems was the suitecase man, and Number, Colors and Crosshair at the end, two are not a problem, all three are or was to me...

The flying nut

I had done the CTC pilapt test about six months ago. As you said i had found the final stage of the test very demanding. however the easiest part i found to be was the flying through boxes scoring 10/10 on all occasions.

How i got my results were in the form of an e-mail saying that i was ranked in the high 30% of european pilots.

Johnny1981

Had my phase 4 on the 9th November but didn't manage to pass the stage.....I was absolutely gutted!! I wasn't 100% myself on the day and feel I could have done alot better. They haven't put me up for reselection but has anyone else been in this situation and later down the line been asked to come back to repeat stage 4?

I had my heart set on being part of the CTC course so as you can imagine its not a good feeling not getting through. I have planned out what I want to do with regards to other training schemes but first I am going to get at least 5hrs of flying experience which I have already enquired about. It will cost about £585 (Including membership) but well worth the money for the experience and to show determination to become a pilot!!

Anyone going to stage 4 good luck!! hope you are more successful!!

squawkident.

Ramshorn-I storngly advisse you research the exisiting numerous CTC threads as this subject has been discussed so many times before.

I passed my CTC selection back in July and all i can say about my Pilapt was that my scores were not actually all that great.

I think its a case of being able to improve on each attempt rather than get top marks each time (i could well be wrong here).

In fact in one of tests, i got a 7, 6 then a 7 . Dont let the scores phase you as it can be very disheartening. Remember they are there for a reason and I suppsoe part of being a good pilot is being able to distance yourself from personal problems and focus under pressure, in a professional manner.

Good luck anyway

SIdent.

Mooney12

Last time I asked, about 6 months ago, pass mark was 6/10.

Doubt this would have gone up as CTC now need 10 cadets a month or something and are struggling to fill the places.

ramshorn

Thanks guys for your assistance!

Flying_Mech

Hi.
I was unsuccessful on my phase 2, and i got a mail from them saying that Since i was so close to passing i would be able to reapply after 6 months.
But still it's a long wait and if i don't get anything else I'll do it, but if i get a job see ya CTC.

FM

Johnny1981

The other person on my phase 4 originally failed stage 2 got a retake and is now flying out to New Zealand in the next couple of months!! 6months is a long time to wait just depends if you want to get on a course sooner....at the end of the day there are plenty of other ways to skin a cat you just have to find the one that suits you.

BobbyK

I have no idea where you got those figures for the pass mark as they certainly didnt let anyhting on when i ewnt. All i know is I got 4,6,7 for that first test and 4,5,8 for the flying through boxes and i passed. Just go and do your best and if oyure good enough youll get through...what difference does knowing that you need a 6 make anyway? Probably make you perform worse if anything

Rj111

On the deviator indicator i got 2, 3 then 5. But i somehow managed to pass. I really was quite tired at this point and was making silly errors like not noticing you had 30 seconds to play around with the controls and get used to the inverted up and down and the joystick. It was only when i got to the last multi-thing that i figured this. I was all over the shop on the first two rounds. It's a miracle that 5 turned up.

Morals: Don't worry about the score, just try your best. Read insructions. Good nights sleep.

Question....

What aircraft types do CTC train you up in? It was mentioned in the talk but i've forgotten and i'm not too hot on my non-airliner aircraft.

bjkeates

Rj111,

It's a bit of a mixed bag at the moment - we have Diamond DA-20 Katanas, Cessna 172s and Robin 2160s/Alpha 160As for the single-engine phases. Eventually, I believe the intention is to phase out the C172s and Katanas and have a uniform fleet of Alpha 160As. These are being built at the Alpha hangar literally right across the road from CTC. The twin-engine phase is taught on Diamond DA-42 Twin Stars.

Mindie

hey guys and gals

Any idea how long does it take for CTC to give you feedback in the application life cycle...i.e....

(1) After you send the intial application
(2) After phase 1 and all the other phases

Every second of my waiting time seems an eternity...
thanks

scroggs

Well, during that eternity please look through the original thread - where your questions have been answered several times.

Scroggs