The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: United Kingdom
Posts: 310
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Delays due to a shortage of instructors/aircraft/facilities are disappointing and possibly a result of poor planning but can happen to any company. L3 are seemingly compounding the problem by continuing to sign new contracts (eg RAF) and not reducing the number of cadets starting each month.
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: UK
Posts: 285
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'm just about old enough to remember when the topic of CTC was on here in 2006-2007. Back then the cost was about £60k (which you generally got back), type ratings were generally paid for by partner airlines (who were matched with students mid-training), there was a HSBC Professional Studies loan which was available for everyone. You could only ever apply once, if you failed you didn't get a second go and only about 2% of applicants (from all financial backgrounds) got in.. At the time, it really seemed like THE place to be, shame I was a few years too young.
Seems like things have changed a bit...
Seems like things have changed a bit...
I'm just about old enough to remember when the topic of CTC was on here in 2006-2007. Back then the cost was about £60k (which you generally got back), type ratings were generally paid for by partner airlines (who were matched with students mid-training), there was a HSBC Professional Studies loan which was available for everyone. You could only ever apply once, if you failed you didn't get a second go and only about 2% of applicants (from all financial backgrounds) got in.. At the time, it really seemed like THE place to be, shame I was a few years too young.
Seems like things have changed a bit...
Seems like things have changed a bit...
It became a very successful money making machine, then L3 bought it. And tried to ramp it up even more. But it seems that the quality dropped as the quantity increased. And they've reached critical mass.
Their selling point was their placement record and industry reputation. As close to guaranteed airline job as you could get, that was worth paying for, in many peoples opinion. But without that, they are nothing but an overpriced flight school.
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Watford
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
MPL and ATPL
I'm currently in lower sixth, studying my A levels. I will soon be turning 17, and hence applying to a pilot school.
I'm looking at applying for to the generation EasyJet program at L3 academy. I understand that doing this program will give you an MPL with EasyJet. However what I don't understand is what happens next, once you have achieved you MPL and are working for EasyJet, how long do you have for them for? Also, how do you go about converting you MPL to an ATPL, so you can work for other airlines?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I'm looking at applying for to the generation EasyJet program at L3 academy. I understand that doing this program will give you an MPL with EasyJet. However what I don't understand is what happens next, once you have achieved you MPL and are working for EasyJet, how long do you have for them for? Also, how do you go about converting you MPL to an ATPL, so you can work for other airlines?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Echo Golf Papa Foxtrot
Posts: 152
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'm currently in lower sixth, studying my A levels. I will soon be turning 17, and hence applying to a pilot school.
I'm looking at applying for to the generation EasyJet program at L3 academy. I understand that doing this program will give you an MPL with EasyJet. However what I don't understand is what happens next, once you have achieved you MPL and are working for EasyJet, how long do you have for them for? Also, how do you go about converting you MPL to an ATPL, so you can work for other airlines?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I'm looking at applying for to the generation EasyJet program at L3 academy. I understand that doing this program will give you an MPL with EasyJet. However what I don't understand is what happens next, once you have achieved you MPL and are working for EasyJet, how long do you have for them for? Also, how do you go about converting you MPL to an ATPL, so you can work for other airlines?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
The program has the possibility of giving you an MPL or a frozen ATPL depending on many factors with selection. You'll know which license you'll hopefully be aiming to achieve whether your assigned route 1 (MPL) or route 2 (frozen ATPL) after passing selection (and competition).
Also, to answer your conversion question, L3 states:
"Holders of an MPL may apply for an ATPL upon meeting regulatory requirements as your easyJet career progresses.".
That regulatory requirement I believe is met once 1500 hours of flight time is achieved.
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: UK
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
(Long time lurker, first time poster)
Not answering your question here but is EZMP35 related to the EasyJet MPL intake? If yes, mind me asking whether you were part of the recent assessment process (the one which opened Aug/Sep) or an earlier one?
Not answering your question here but is EZMP35 related to the EasyJet MPL intake? If yes, mind me asking whether you were part of the recent assessment process (the one which opened Aug/Sep) or an earlier one?
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: London
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I believe I was part of the previous intake. Applied around April time and got accepted onto route 1 in late May. Think we were the last interview group of the 2017 programme. Best of luck if you're waiting to hear back!
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: UK
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
No visible end to delays, further delays for cadets in New Zealand and BOH, as well as groundschool cadets across the board. Many delays as long as 6 months, with the potential for further delays. L3's current line of excuses sound very familiar, not enough instructors and PFA didn't take as many cadets as initially agreed. The bottle neck is at the IR phase, BOH is full of RAF and PFA can't take enough; although they claim to be searching for more places to outsource training. So yes, this mainly impacts whitetail cadets, airline tagged cadets won't suffer quite as bad- they tend to get a push through the system.
Think very carefully before choosing this ATO... You could be there quite some time.
Think very carefully before choosing this ATO... You could be there quite some time.
Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: UK
Posts: 4
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
News spreads quite fast around most cadets. Most would give a similar story.
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: UK
Posts: 154
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'd be interested to know if other ATOs are experiencing the same level of problems?
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: Madrid
Posts: 10
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
BAA are saying "hold my beer"
Join Date: May 1999
Location: Bristol, England
Age: 65
Posts: 1,802
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'd be interested to know if other ATOs are experiencing the same level of problems?
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: UK
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
David, all easyJet pilots from 1st Jan 2019 will be moving onto the Austrian license. They are just transitioning you in line with this move. If it is anything like the IAA transferral, it is 2 forms to complete: One for the CAA and one for Austro Control.
All easyJet Europe employee’s are moving to an Austrian licence. All easyJet UK employee’s stay with the UK issued EASA licence.
I presume the request is more for the L3 course being an EASA MPL course, so will be easier for continuity to do the whole process with a European country. Therefore can receive an EASA MPL, which can be converted in the future if needed.
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: UK
Posts: 225
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
All new entrants to easyJet irrespective of base whom commence an induction post March 2019 will be required to hold an Austrian issued licence. This isn’t an L3 requirement at all, it’s actually asked of by the airline - given it be written on their orange letterhead (in my case).
Any existing U.K. based employees or any new and UK based employees starting work, but not training, before March can retain the UK CAA papers. A trainee starting their course soon would finish after March 2019 and thus require Austrian papers.
@David.98 - i’d ask the individual or organisation that’s asked you to do this for guidance. As others have said, a medical state of issue is just a paper or two to adjust.
Hope this helps.
Any existing U.K. based employees or any new and UK based employees starting work, but not training, before March can retain the UK CAA papers. A trainee starting their course soon would finish after March 2019 and thus require Austrian papers.
@David.98 - i’d ask the individual or organisation that’s asked you to do this for guidance. As others have said, a medical state of issue is just a paper or two to adjust.
Hope this helps.
Last edited by gbotley; 25th Dec 2018 at 00:30.
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: UK
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I’m on this course (EZMP37/CP209) starting 29/01/19 in Coventry. I’ve tried to pm you but because my account is new it won’t let me use messages on here. What’ve you called the Facebook group so I can look for it
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Echo Golf Papa Foxtrot
Posts: 152
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hello,
I'm on CP210 intake,anyone gonna meet me in the bar?
Feel free to PM me.
I see L3 has posted its stance on Brexit on its website - working to ensure minimum disruption.
I'm on CP210 intake,
Feel free to PM me.
I see L3 has posted its stance on Brexit on its website - working to ensure minimum disruption.
Last edited by EGPF; 6th Jan 2019 at 21:54.
