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The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.

Old 6th Jul 2008, 23:08
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I bought a surf bus covered in flowers for about 300.
I seem to remember it being a plain grey to start with. On the evidence of how it turned out, re-painting by hand is definitely to be encouraged. If only I had a photo of it to upload...

Although it seriously questioned my manhood
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Old 7th Jul 2008, 02:10
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guilty as charged. jesus keatsey,,, shhhhhh!
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Old 7th Jul 2008, 13:29
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sorry to make this into a social thread, but i sanyone going for stage 2/3 on the 16th of july?
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Old 7th Jul 2008, 15:03
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Originally Posted by Madhouserjd
sorry to make this into a social thread, but i sanyone going for stage 2/3 on the 16th of july?
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Old 7th Jul 2008, 15:18
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Cheers for the advice

Hi gkyip and Dragonfly6,

Massive thanks for the advice. I did think it too good to be true that everyone gets a job, passes etc. But as you both said it's the hard work and heads down attitude that will probably get you through.

I'm a little unsure of what the world will hold regarding employment in what 18 months / 2 years, but I'm hoping it won't be back to the day job with a nice little mortgage over my head.

Think the best thing to do is to go into it with eyes wide open and expect the unexpected. I know quite a few guys who have been through CTC / OAT / Cabair and a few fringe friends who have done FTE and all say they're envious of CTC's amazing record.

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Old 7th Jul 2008, 15:44
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Hi All!!

Hello all,

This is my first post on the website! I'm afraid it's not very interesting though!

I have my stage 4 for CTC Cadets on Thursday in Nursling. Getting V. excited but just wanted to know how quickly CTC want you to take your medical after you pass stage 4. (I may not but fingers crossed!)

I need to know as it is getting more and more difficult to obtain time off from my exceedingly boring, non-flying job. The longer I can wait between thursday and the medical the better basically!

I look forward to perhaps meeting some of you in NZ soon!

CHeers,
Jamer
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Old 7th Jul 2008, 16:06
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Hi, I have one or two further questions which I hope someone can help me with:

1) How long is the CTC Wings course in total (i.e. zero - graduation)? Is it 14 months?

2) What percentage of the course is flying and what percentage is theoretical teaching towards written exams? Is it 50/50?

3) Is the theoretical side (i.e. exams etc) as hard going as, for example, a final year on a degree course in university etc?
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Old 7th Jul 2008, 16:11
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Well I dont know if it helps but what I hear from a lot of pilots in my airline is that the point is not being "too difficult",because is not,is a A level standard,what is hard is the amount of information you have to take in,in a such small amount of time!And it feels that you are being tested all the time...well..you are in the end!I've checked the website and is about 18months of training!
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Old 7th Jul 2008, 16:15
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Hi Jamer, glad to hear about stage 4, I passed stage 4 a few months ago so know exactly how you feel!

I have my medical booked for the 31st of this month so, so depending on when you're leaving, there's no real rush. It is better to get it all sorted as soon as possible, but as long as finances/medical/paperwork are sorted a few weeks before you go there's no-one reminding you to do it.
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Old 7th Jul 2008, 16:32
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ElSupremo,

When I get home I'll pull out the course details to answer the first 2 questions. The third may be a little harder to answer, although I have been told it is more about knowledge retention than getting your head around tricky concepts.

This will give you a good idea as to the content

http://wiljam.com/subjects.htm
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Old 7th Jul 2008, 18:34
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Hi all, to answer some questions...

Jamer, well done on getting through to stage 4, you are going to love it! Let us know the result when you hear! As for the medical...I passed my phase 4 on May 8th and didn't have my medical until June 17th due to university exams. After your medical, everything else falls into place easily. I don't they mind too much how long it takes for you to get it as long as your course is not too soon. I start in september so I still have plenty of time. AFAIK at the moment courses for 2008 are full and they are currently taking places for early 2009 so if you pass phase 4 on thursday, you'll still have plenty of time! Good luck and enjoy yourself!

I'm in CP65 which starts Sept 8th. My course schedule has a provisional date of 25th January 2010 to start advanced training. (Advanced training is base and line training with your allocated airline so you'll already be doing your dream job of flying commercial airliners!) After that I think it's about 6 months of line training before you officially graduate from CTC and start earning a salary.

As for the practical flying vs ground school ratio it's not very clear. Much ground school is self study so depends on how much work youhave to put in yourself. CTC gives you a lot more flying hours than other FTOs though.

The ground school AFAIK is pretty much on par with A level physics and maths although I've just completed my University of Leeds degree in Aviation technology and a lot of modules in the course are ATPL subjects (avionics, aircraft electrics, meterology etc) but they're not too difficult to follow. CTC's selection screening will idenitfy your ability to cope with all the ground school. They look at your qualifications in stage 1. They have a simple maths aptitude test in phase 2 and they will learn a lot from you throughout the other phases of selection.

Hope all this helps,

Gary
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Old 7th Jul 2008, 18:36
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In response to #1 Supremo, 14 months and 18 months are a bit optimistic, depends how you define the end point but nearer 2yrs from zero to airline-start with a TR more realistic.
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Old 7th Jul 2008, 18:43
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1) How long is the CTC Wings course in total (i.e. zero - graduation)? Is it 14 months?

Like i said you will meet twists and turns on the course. Zero to fATPL took me 22 months. Then youve got type rating base training plus any time in the hold pool - you may finish right in the middle of recruitment season and go straight to type rating or you might finish at the end of recruitment season and spend several months in the hold pool. Alot of people made it through quicker than others. Id say 2 years is a realistic target. It depends on so many things; if you are trying to learn all your initial visual flying mid winter and your unlucky with weather it could take you months and months to complete very little, if you do it mid summer you could do it in weeks. youve got aircraft goundings, course restructuring, fleet changes etc etc that could happen. You could need remedial training that might put you behind. 2 years is a reasonable estimate.

2) What percentage of the course is flying and what percentage is theoretical teaching towards written exams? Is it 50/50?

Alot of the theory is learnt on your own time so the ratio ground work:flying is whatever you make it. Id say 50:50 is reasonable. I managed to keep the course a 9-5 thing most days with the exception of the odd early/late flight.

3) Is the theoretical side (i.e. exams etc) as hard going as, for example, a final year on a degree course in university etc?

The concepts are easier in the ATPL's but there is a massive amount of info to assimilate in a relatively short period of time, its a case of putting the hours in. Id say a similar amount of work to final year at uni if your aiming at averaging high nineties (%).

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Old 7th Jul 2008, 23:30
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'Like i said you will meet twists and turns on the course. Zero to fATPL took me 22 months'

- Did the 22 months include any paid work from the airline or did your career start after this time?

'The concepts are easier in the ATPL's but there is a massive amount of info to assimilate in a relatively short period of time, its a case of putting the hours in. Id say a similar amount of work to final year at uni if your aiming at averaging high nineties (%)'.

- That should be ok as I've just completed a law degree where all I did was remember hundreds of facts, cases, statutes, articles for each exam/module and literally thousands over the entire course - it really was a remembering exercise.

Oh and thanks for your, and others', help.
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Old 7th Jul 2008, 23:53
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Old 8th Jul 2008, 15:29
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Paid Work

El Supremo has asked a very valid question there. I notice you PM'd El Supremo. Could you tell me the same Dragonfly? As in, is there any paid work within the first 2 years? Just need to know as I have a mortgage so will be renting out my house until I start being paid again. Living with Mum at 25 not so cool!

Cheers guys and thanks for the words of congrats for getting to stage 4!! Will let you all know how it goes!
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Old 8th Jul 2008, 15:49
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If you think 25 and living with Mum aint so cool, try being 26 and living there! Man I miss my flat (rented sadly) Good luck with phase 4!
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Old 9th Jul 2008, 10:36
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Hi all,

I've passed Stage 1 on CityJet CTC program. I've been invited to an assesment day. Do I really have chances of getting selected for this programme or they just want me to pay the 176 pounds that the stage 2 costs?
What is te profile they seeking? Young people with A-Levels? Flying experience? Degrees? Age?

I'm very excited because I've passed Stage 1 but I guess this Stage is passed by almost everyone.

Best Regards,

Marcos
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Old 9th Jul 2008, 11:18
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I've heard a figure quoted of between 30-40% of initial applicants make it through to stage two...
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Old 9th Jul 2008, 12:36
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Hi,
Does anyone know whether you can apply for both the regular wings selection and the city jet wings programme? I've already got a date for stage 2/3 for the Wings selection, was wondering if the city jet selection was run separately, as judging by the info on the website it looks like the same selection procedure. If you are successful through the wings selection can you request to be put on the city jet programme?
Any info would be appreciated.
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