The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.
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Usually, Second Officers are used on long haul flights, as a way of providing enough crew for the time distance without using two experienced FOs. This way, you can use someone who is new to the company. Not many airlines do this any more, but a few in Asia do.
When operating 1-3 hour hops, I can't believe they'll have a third person (in the already cramped cockpit) to take over duties, but I could be wrong. I assume it's just a way of justifying payscale...they are recruiting DE FOs so they probably start at the usual rate, but cadets will start at a lower rate, having their training paid back and on a reduced salary. Perhaps Second Officer is the 'label' for reduced salary cadets.
When operating 1-3 hour hops, I can't believe they'll have a third person (in the already cramped cockpit) to take over duties, but I could be wrong. I assume it's just a way of justifying payscale...they are recruiting DE FOs so they probably start at the usual rate, but cadets will start at a lower rate, having their training paid back and on a reduced salary. Perhaps Second Officer is the 'label' for reduced salary cadets.
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this is purely speculative but I think S/O may be a Tech term in regards to Citijet cadets(is their really a need for SOs on avroRJs etc ) it is probably more in line with Citijet 'intern' Pilot but Second officer sounds better, the initial pay is probably more of a training allowance as it sound a lot like Air NZs intended Cadet pilot scheme( I wonder who might be involved in that in future):
http://www.pprune.org/forums/d-g-gen...academy-2.html
From the study produced by 4 people, 2 i can confirm are pilots (jet) for Air NZ, not sure on the other two.
Graduating students from the cadetship would move directly into the third seat of a wide-body air New Zealand jet to gain familiarity with the working of the multi-crew operation. Whilst in receipt of a TRAINING salary, these second officers would not be type-rated or be listed on the company seniority list. From there, they would be employed into the Air New Zealand Group as a first officer on the turbo-prop fleet and issued with a seniorty number.
For the cadets, their "return of service" would start at the point of employment as a first officer. If the airline had contributed to the cost of the training this return of service would be completed at a reduced salary, in order for the company recoup the financial cost of the training. It is envisaged that the cadetship programme will take three years to complete from the commencement of training to completion of year one as a second officer.
the study goes on to state that there will be one interview for all the Air Nz group and you end up on a combined seniorty list.
Pilot shortage prompts Air NZ aviation academy
"We have got to get young people interested in aviation as a career, whether it be as a pilot, or just as importantly, as engineers and flight attendants," Morgan said.
The curriculum was yet to be finalised, but it appears likely that students would first learn to fly a light aircraft with a partner flying school.
Air New Zealand would then fast-track their training as airline pilots in its own simulators.
"These people come through thinking like airline pilots when they first step into the cockpit."
Whether students would have to pay for their training was yet to be decided, but Morgan said trainee pilots already qualified for student loans.
Pilot shortage prompts Air NZ aviation academy - Business: press.co.nz
whilst not 100% the same some aspects sound similar - but this is purely speculative.
http://www.pprune.org/forums/d-g-gen...academy-2.html
From the study produced by 4 people, 2 i can confirm are pilots (jet) for Air NZ, not sure on the other two.
Graduating students from the cadetship would move directly into the third seat of a wide-body air New Zealand jet to gain familiarity with the working of the multi-crew operation. Whilst in receipt of a TRAINING salary, these second officers would not be type-rated or be listed on the company seniority list. From there, they would be employed into the Air New Zealand Group as a first officer on the turbo-prop fleet and issued with a seniorty number.
For the cadets, their "return of service" would start at the point of employment as a first officer. If the airline had contributed to the cost of the training this return of service would be completed at a reduced salary, in order for the company recoup the financial cost of the training. It is envisaged that the cadetship programme will take three years to complete from the commencement of training to completion of year one as a second officer.
the study goes on to state that there will be one interview for all the Air Nz group and you end up on a combined seniorty list.
Pilot shortage prompts Air NZ aviation academy
"We have got to get young people interested in aviation as a career, whether it be as a pilot, or just as importantly, as engineers and flight attendants," Morgan said.
The curriculum was yet to be finalised, but it appears likely that students would first learn to fly a light aircraft with a partner flying school.
Air New Zealand would then fast-track their training as airline pilots in its own simulators.
"These people come through thinking like airline pilots when they first step into the cockpit."
Whether students would have to pay for their training was yet to be decided, but Morgan said trainee pilots already qualified for student loans.
Pilot shortage prompts Air NZ aviation academy - Business: press.co.nz
whilst not 100% the same some aspects sound similar - but this is purely speculative.
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SO in this case is just a technical term (afaik anyway). The cadet will be performing all the duties of an FO, they'll just be getting paid a lower salary! I'm not sure that this is accurate, but I'm sure I read somewhere that cadets taken on by EZY, TCX etc. are actually classed as SOs for the first six months with their airline. Someone please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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the key word would be more an observer in regards to Citijet SOs (SO don't perform all the duties of an FO i.e they don't generally land or take off generally only cruise duties during as with Cathey pacific descrip of SO Duties
'The primary functions of the Second Officer are to act as a cruise relief pilot, to monitor all facets of the operation and to support the crew. '
Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd - Second Officer, job in Hongkong, Maintenance
- SOs are generally employed on long haul flights - excuse me if I am wrong but most single european sector flights don't reach anywhere near) with enough hands on experience building towards the 1500 hr(as on financial ctc page)which would probably take 18 months.
'The primary functions of the Second Officer are to act as a cruise relief pilot, to monitor all facets of the operation and to support the crew. '
Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd - Second Officer, job in Hongkong, Maintenance
- SOs are generally employed on long haul flights - excuse me if I am wrong but most single european sector flights don't reach anywhere near) with enough hands on experience building towards the 1500 hr(as on financial ctc page)which would probably take 18 months.
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stage 2/3, 08/07/08 - cockpitweb preparation software
hello everyone
i´ll be in bournemouth on the 8th of july for the 2nd/3rd stage. anyone else going down at the same time?
if so, pm me if you like
and one more question: I bought myself recently the numerapt and pilottest software from cockpitweb.com in order to prepare myself for the aptitude tests of CTC. Has anyone had any experience before with this software and the tests of CTC? Is it reliable for the preparation for CTC? And if yes, which of these tests are being done at CTC?
Thank you in advance for every possible answers
cheers
Apostolis
i´ll be in bournemouth on the 8th of july for the 2nd/3rd stage. anyone else going down at the same time?
if so, pm me if you like
and one more question: I bought myself recently the numerapt and pilottest software from cockpitweb.com in order to prepare myself for the aptitude tests of CTC. Has anyone had any experience before with this software and the tests of CTC? Is it reliable for the preparation for CTC? And if yes, which of these tests are being done at CTC?
Thank you in advance for every possible answers
cheers
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Ciao Apostolis,
was there last week. i checked the website and let's say that the actual pilapt tests are pretty close to those ones shown on the website. I also have to say that I did pass the pilapt (not the group excercies, damn it) without ever training for it, so I don't know if it's worth it.
Fabio
was there last week. i checked the website and let's say that the actual pilapt tests are pretty close to those ones shown on the website. I also have to say that I did pass the pilapt (not the group excercies, damn it) without ever training for it, so I don't know if it's worth it.
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team exercises - 2nd/3rd stage, 08/07/08
Hi Fabio,
grazie for the answer! I´m sorry to hear though that you did not pass. Are these team excercises really that tough? were they in the form of games or discussions?
Any answer would be really helfpul. I have to admit that I´m rather an introverted person and English is not my native language. Bad combination? I have my 2nd and (hopefully) 3rd stage on the 8th of july. We´ll see
PS: if anyone else will be in bournemouth at CTC on that day pm me if you like
Greetings
Apostolis
grazie for the answer! I´m sorry to hear though that you did not pass. Are these team excercises really that tough? were they in the form of games or discussions?
Any answer would be really helfpul. I have to admit that I´m rather an introverted person and English is not my native language. Bad combination? I have my 2nd and (hopefully) 3rd stage on the 8th of july. We´ll see
PS: if anyone else will be in bournemouth at CTC on that day pm me if you like
Greetings
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Fine, dont believe me then. Though I will leave it to you to tell the people concerned what you think of their flying ability!! I never said struggled anyway, I said crashed at first attempt. Big difference, and they probably didnt take it too seriously (not like its stage 4 all over again). Half the people I spoke to at Peachy crashed first go - fact. I even watched 3 go down in flames myself! Maybe I just picked a bad sample
