The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.
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Pilotchute is quite correct. The schools are businesses, not charities or clubs. They make their money by selling courses, and it is not in their interest for prospective students to know just how hard it is to get a job at the end of the course, or how much more that will cost.
Think long and hard about the financial commitment before signing up and do the arithmetic. You will have mortgage levels of debt and a less than 50% chance of ever working as a pilot. Some of you wonder-teens have already had a pop at Pilotchute over his comments. He's not running anyone down, he's trying to get you to see through the sales pitch. The image you are given of your career prospects are highly unrealistic. Some may get a peach of a cadetship with BA, but most will get none at all. Even those who get into LOCOs will wonder two years down the line why they did it, and most will regret it.
Think long and hard about the financial commitment before signing up and do the arithmetic. You will have mortgage levels of debt and a less than 50% chance of ever working as a pilot. Some of you wonder-teens have already had a pop at Pilotchute over his comments. He's not running anyone down, he's trying to get you to see through the sales pitch. The image you are given of your career prospects are highly unrealistic. Some may get a peach of a cadetship with BA, but most will get none at all. Even those who get into LOCOs will wonder two years down the line why they did it, and most will regret it.
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Just to clarify a couple of things.
Steve is currently one of my course mates, I'm in AZ he's in NZ, but the CTC policy he's talking about is the Europe one. It doesn't matter where we go to complete our training, policy remains the same: 2 interview chances in 2 years.
Moreover, AZ issues with DA42 are real but are due to delays by Diamond to assemble the aircrafts. This is why Diamond (and not CTC) is currently paying travel expenses to all courses which are being sent to NZ to complete their training.
I've had the chance to talk to some guys which had finished their training with CTC and all has been offered an interview opportunity with at least one company, passed and now doing TR (most of them EZY).
You're not guaranteed a job, but let me say if I have to decide where to spend my money I would give at least a look to CTC, just because its placement records are way more better than other schools and cadets can confirm this.
Steve is currently one of my course mates, I'm in AZ he's in NZ, but the CTC policy he's talking about is the Europe one. It doesn't matter where we go to complete our training, policy remains the same: 2 interview chances in 2 years.
Moreover, AZ issues with DA42 are real but are due to delays by Diamond to assemble the aircrafts. This is why Diamond (and not CTC) is currently paying travel expenses to all courses which are being sent to NZ to complete their training.
I've had the chance to talk to some guys which had finished their training with CTC and all has been offered an interview opportunity with at least one company, passed and now doing TR (most of them EZY).
You're not guaranteed a job, but let me say if I have to decide where to spend my money I would give at least a look to CTC, just because its placement records are way more better than other schools and cadets can confirm this.
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Hi guys and girls your enthusiam for aviation is not in doubt. I join the orange brigade 7 years ago from another airline during my time I have watched the t&c of the second, first and senior first officers,deteriorate at an alarming rate.
Should you eventually end up at Ezy and I say big IF, look at monarch and the amount of out of work pilots, you t&c will be even worse. The 100k debit you are saddled with will take years to pay off. That's assuming you can remain in work
This is the biggest financial gamble of your life,the numbers of whether it is financially viable have not added up for some time.
Before you put your parents house on the line make sure you go in with your eyes wide open. I have said this on this forum Many times,each time Beagle pup has tried to justify the benefits I don't think this time he will he works for Monach I wish all at Monach the very best for the future
Should you eventually end up at Ezy and I say big IF, look at monarch and the amount of out of work pilots, you t&c will be even worse. The 100k debit you are saddled with will take years to pay off. That's assuming you can remain in work
This is the biggest financial gamble of your life,the numbers of whether it is financially viable have not added up for some time.
Before you put your parents house on the line make sure you go in with your eyes wide open. I have said this on this forum Many times,each time Beagle pup has tried to justify the benefits I don't think this time he will he works for Monach I wish all at Monach the very best for the future
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EasyJet MPL 2015 Info
Looking for anyone with first hand experience/genuine information regarding the Easyjet MPL 2015, preferably regarding the CTC route.
How many cadets are expected to be taken for the CTC FlexiCrew pilot scheme?
In past years how many pilots from the CTC FlexiCrew scheme have been offered permanent positions with Easyjet and how many let go?
If you are not offered a permanent position with Easyjet after a year with CTC Flexicrew what happens? are you still contracted to CTC FlexiCrew for a further two years?
In past years what salary have pilots on the CTC FlexiCrew scheme received in their first year?
Can the cost of the course/expenses be offset against future earnings under the UK Tax System?
At what point will you be issued with or entitled to a frozen ATPL License?
Any information on the above would be greatly appreciated.
How many cadets are expected to be taken for the CTC FlexiCrew pilot scheme?
In past years how many pilots from the CTC FlexiCrew scheme have been offered permanent positions with Easyjet and how many let go?
If you are not offered a permanent position with Easyjet after a year with CTC Flexicrew what happens? are you still contracted to CTC FlexiCrew for a further two years?
In past years what salary have pilots on the CTC FlexiCrew scheme received in their first year?
Can the cost of the course/expenses be offset against future earnings under the UK Tax System?
At what point will you be issued with or entitled to a frozen ATPL License?
Any information on the above would be greatly appreciated.
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Numeracy
Hi all,
I'm heading down to CTC for the stage 2 selection day and just wondered if anyone could clarify a few things regarding the numeracy test.
I've used the search function, but have found largely generic answers, so was hoping someone could possibly help.
From the information I've gathered, the mental arithmetic comprises of: Long Division/Multiplication (both with and without decimals), Percentages and Conversions (Temp, Currency).
Am I missing anything?
Again I apologise if this has been answered many times but I'd be grateful if anyone could help with any up to date information.
I'm heading down to CTC for the stage 2 selection day and just wondered if anyone could clarify a few things regarding the numeracy test.
I've used the search function, but have found largely generic answers, so was hoping someone could possibly help.
From the information I've gathered, the mental arithmetic comprises of: Long Division/Multiplication (both with and without decimals), Percentages and Conversions (Temp, Currency).
Am I missing anything?
Again I apologise if this has been answered many times but I'd be grateful if anyone could help with any up to date information.
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Sorry to hear that. It’s good that you obtained that piece of feedback, I assume you have been thoroughly debriefed on your performance? If not phone up and ask. I’m pretty skeptical as to what group exercises show but nonetheless they are a hurdle between you and the job. A lot of it is just basic manners and common sense such as maintaining eye contact when someone is speaking, don’t interrupt, don’t shoot down others etc... but part of it is being able to show you can “lead” not by attempting to take charge but rather by “steering” the conversation should it be going round in circles. It’s imperative to read the instructions very carefully before launching into the task and contributing your thoughts. I’ve not done the Oxford assessment but the CTC one sounds very similar, the environment is very serious as it’s essentially a job interview.
Take the time to critique your own performance, what went well? Where do you feel you could perform better? And how will you make those changes to improve your performance next time round?
I do not intend for this to sound rude or for any arrogance on my part but you weren’t selected for a course which you ultimately pay the company a lot of money for, so it’s important to understand where you went wrong and maybe take a bit of time out and gain some of the skills that potential recruiters are looking for before launching yourself into the next application without making any changes to you as a person.
Feel free to PM me if you have any further questions.
Best of luck
Take the time to critique your own performance, what went well? Where do you feel you could perform better? And how will you make those changes to improve your performance next time round?
I do not intend for this to sound rude or for any arrogance on my part but you weren’t selected for a course which you ultimately pay the company a lot of money for, so it’s important to understand where you went wrong and maybe take a bit of time out and gain some of the skills that potential recruiters are looking for before launching yourself into the next application without making any changes to you as a person.
Feel free to PM me if you have any further questions.
Best of luck
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Thoughts
Climb Under Read,
Thank you for posting. I am asking myself the same questions. Additionally I have completed MCC/JOC at CRM Aviation. Training was simply excellent but obviously CTC is definitively an opportunity. On the other hand it is the same price (even a little more) than a FI Rating which I am also considering (not just for the hours but for the experience).
If anyone has more info on the subject, it would be great to discuss!
Thank you for posting. I am asking myself the same questions. Additionally I have completed MCC/JOC at CRM Aviation. Training was simply excellent but obviously CTC is definitively an opportunity. On the other hand it is the same price (even a little more) than a FI Rating which I am also considering (not just for the hours but for the experience).
If anyone has more info on the subject, it would be great to discuss!
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I was going to join CP129, but I realised i won't be back from holiday on time. Anyone on CP130 or CP131? Officially on CP131 but if a place opens up for CP130, I'm on!
