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The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.

Old 5th May 2010, 15:36
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"...keeping under wraps until an 'official statement' is made out in NZ from LW himself..."

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Old 5th May 2010, 19:10
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Well if you've heard it from "more than one source", they haven't done a very good job of keeping it under wraps, have they?

Make sure you keep Clearways tidy...
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Old 6th May 2010, 16:01
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assessment day

Hi, I am doing the stage 2 assessment this month and I was wondering if anyone could give me an up to date list of what it entails? Any info would be most appreciated.
Please no negativity about the industry just what will be expected of me in the assessment.
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Old 6th May 2010, 16:47
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Phase 2 - AM.
15 question / 15 minute maths test - no calculator.
Basic stuff, conversions, long div, mult. etc...

Then the PILAPT test straight after. (google it)
6 (I think) tests, with the use of a joystick, headset, number and colour keypad. And then a 7th test which is the combination of 3 previous tests at the same time.

You have 3 attempts at each test, and you are required to show improvement.

Then lunch.

Phase 3 - PM
If you pass phase 2 you have an hour long interview covering questions such as 'Why do you want to be a pilot' 'How can a pilot improve customer service' 'Give an example of how you dealt with a disagreement in the work place'

Standard stuff.
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Old 6th May 2010, 22:54
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Thanks so much one9iner, most appreciated.
It is as i thought but I just wanted to confirm.
Anyone have anymore info on the questions that will be asked in the interview.
All the people moaning about the new cadets must be loving my questions.
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Old 19th May 2010, 02:29
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David, the 190 pilots include the ones that they've re-placed from their respective winter stand downs on the old Flexicrew contract, actual numbers this year near the 70 or 80 mark for first time placements as stated on some of their emails.
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Old 19th May 2010, 14:17
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Does anyone know how many of these 190 placements that CTC predict for easyjet this year are gonna be from the Felxicrew hold pool?

Makes a big difference to us at the bottom end of the other hold pools
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Old 20th May 2010, 01:17
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Dangerman, all of them are going to be from Flexicrew, CTC operates no other route into easyJet this year.

EDIT: As far as I know
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Old 20th May 2010, 09:36
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there you go chickenlover, 250 plus people ahead of you by the time you join them in the pool.

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Old 20th May 2010, 17:17
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190 placements via flexicrew, 92 first time placements. i.e cadets
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Old 21st May 2010, 14:29
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Just remember a shortage of pilots is forecast within the next 3-4 years and BA are even planning to start recruiting within a years time......once the cabin crew have been dealt with.
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Old 21st May 2010, 17:59
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Or we could have this instead
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Old 24th May 2010, 19:30
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Hi All,

New to the forum so would like to give a big hello to everyone!!!
I'm sat typing this right now as I'm filling in my CTC wings application. Extremely excited about the future prospects if I am successful.

Cheers for all the useful information and links! Although there is allot to look through, everything on here has been a great help!

Cheers All

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Old 25th May 2010, 11:17
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coffeewhite one

.......what makes you think BA will be about in 3 or 4 years..........
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Old 25th May 2010, 22:05
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BA shouldn't be your major concern if you go for CTC as you will more likely end flying an A320 with EZY.
However, I think it's time for BA to understand that you work WITH your people not AGAINST.
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Old 25th May 2010, 22:08
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The point of BA recruiting is that their recruitment normally comes from the likes of EZY/TCX/MON/TOM etc thus creating vacancies at those airlines into which cadets can go.

As for your comment about how they treat people, you'd best go to the relevant other threads if you want a fight about that kind of issue.
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Old 27th May 2010, 14:59
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coffeewhiteone - hasn't there been a shortage of pilots 'in a few years' for a long time now?
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Old 27th May 2010, 15:22
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No one including those in the city are worried about BA going under if this is what you're meaning. Forecasts are that BA will be breaking even in the next year and it is better placed than many in the upturn having secured credit for new A/C (787s & 380s).

The flying bob,

However, I think it's time for BA to understand that you work WITH your people not AGAINST
.....please BA have always been extremely supportive towards staff however they can't protect their staff from a mickey mouse union that has only made matters worse for it's members. Fortunately, you'll hopefully be represented by BALPA in the near future. That's all I'm going to say on the matter. If you want to discuss the current CC faff then there's another thread for that.

It is true, you are more likely to be in the right hand seat of an EZY 319 however there are some of us who get through straight from CTCs cadet scheme Senior pilots are now seriously looking at or have gone part time working due to tax and pension reasons. Being BA, everyone moves up the seniority ladder and makes space for newbies at the bottom.
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Old 28th May 2010, 01:31
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I have searched this thread and the web for that matter looking for the answer to this simple question:

What is the benefit of doing CTC's cadet scheme over ICP or going modular and entering at the ATP stage?

I'm not really interested in what the difference was historically and I'm also not interested in comments like, "There is no benefit or difference as there are no jobs".

Just hypothetically, if you could do any route to a job that CTC offer, what makes the cadet wings scheme so special today?

I would like someone to set me straight because the only benefit I can really see is that IF a partner airline recognises the cadet scheme then the partner airline takes on your training bond and the airline / CTC start paying it back to you as well as being on a cadet salary. However from what I can gather it looks like as a cadet you are being paid less than someone who joins the airline as a normal low-houred FO.

Now that the unsecured loan days are over, why go the cadet route over the other 2 I mentioned? Am I missing something?

Many thanks for considering.
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Old 28th May 2010, 02:47
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Because the cadet scheme has some kind of quality vetting. You have to have at least some ability to be accepted. The Cadet scheme includes the AQC (a kind of JOC course). As a result, the Cadets are given priority in terms of any jobs that may come up.

The ICP scheme, the way I see it is for those people who failed to get onto the Cadet scheme but still have the money to pay for their ratings. The ICP finishes at the CPL/IR stage. CTC are under no obligation to accept you onto the AQC. As a result, ICP people will be given job placements after the Cadets.

As for the ATP scheme, is that really still going?!
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