The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.
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V2, must agree,
They have absolutely NO incentive to hand out any full time contracts. The benefits of only employing 'flexi-crew' * are obvious.
This will also benefit CTC as the trickle of work gets highly diluted and rationed out to a greater number of cadets massaging their impressive 'employment' stats.
I hope I'm dead wrong of course, because we're all in this ****e together.
* Is it called flexi crew because cadets need to be flexible enough to bend over whilst having large amounts of cash pulled through their nose?
They have absolutely NO incentive to hand out any full time contracts. The benefits of only employing 'flexi-crew' * are obvious.
This will also benefit CTC as the trickle of work gets highly diluted and rationed out to a greater number of cadets massaging their impressive 'employment' stats.
I hope I'm dead wrong of course, because we're all in this ****e together.
* Is it called flexi crew because cadets need to be flexible enough to bend over whilst having large amounts of cash pulled through their nose?
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I would concur that CTC Flexi Crew will become another BRK.
The flexi crew hours will dilute with each wave of advance from the eager wannabe army. The hours and pay will be incrementally driven down.
I can't imagine that it will be possible to secure a mortgage, so lets hope Mums not 'let out' my bedroom!
The flexi crew hours will dilute with each wave of advance from the eager wannabe army. The hours and pay will be incrementally driven down.
I can't imagine that it will be possible to secure a mortgage, so lets hope Mums not 'let out' my bedroom!
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I suppose the real question is, how bad does it have to be before people stop doing professional pilot training? Just how terrible would it have to be? First 6 months without pay at all?
I suspect the rot will only stop when it becomes completely untenable to even consider being a pilot as a financially viable option...and thus people are unable to secure the finance.
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I suspect the rot will only stop when it becomes completely untenable to even consider being a pilot as a financially viable option...and thus people are unable to secure the finance.
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Apparently almost 24 new cadets doing the course this month.
Format changed - so first 6 months of course spent doing only the exams in UK. If your being cynical this would save CTC money - as cadets only fly over to NZ once.
And also for the next 6 months all new cadets will be in ground school.
Format changed - so first 6 months of course spent doing only the exams in UK. If your being cynical this would save CTC money - as cadets only fly over to NZ once.
And also for the next 6 months all new cadets will be in ground school.
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6 months of total misery by the sounds of it.
still cant believe ctc are filling courses. where are people getting the money from?
guessing the hold pool must be huge by now. 200? still people from cp38 who don't have full time jobs.
still cant believe ctc are filling courses. where are people getting the money from?
guessing the hold pool must be huge by now. 200? still people from cp38 who don't have full time jobs.
If your being cynical this would save CTC money - as cadets only fly over to NZ once.
Unless, of course, they've gone down the OAA route and accommodation is not included in this part of the course, which is going to make it even more expensive. Six months' rent in the south of England - not cheap. Can anyone starting out with the programme enlighten us on this? Maybe this is what some of the recent £9k price rise goes towards.
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The accommodation is included, in leased houses in the Southampton area, but there is no transport provided and apparently the houses are not near any public transport to get to the Nursling Centre for the ground school phase 
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"I *think* easyJets net increase in fleet size for next year is 7. Assuming a ratio of 5 crews per aircraft this means 35 new Commands for current FO's and therefore 35 new jobs for FO's to join. Allowing for a few leavers/medical losers then an annual demand of around 40 cadets might be about right"
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Why just another 16? And I think you'll find their are an awful lot more than 16 TRd guys and girls in their holdpool. Ezyrampers point is a very good one. Easy will have to do a mix of internal upgrades and contract captains and that will leave a void in the FO ranks. I don't think 70 places are on the cards but maybe 50. Easyjet will keep their FO intakes to their bare minimum, they will spread things as thinly as possible but with an increase of 7 aircraft for the year, taking just over 30 pilots would leave them under crewed.
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contract captains......i certainly hope not beak
we have very strongly voted no to that due to 300 f/os in the command holdpool
so maybe even more f/o slots.though with the way ezy have approach f/o recruitment it will be flexi crew for a while yet me thinks
we have very strongly voted no to that due to 300 f/os in the command holdpool
so maybe even more f/o slots.though with the way ezy have approach f/o recruitment it will be flexi crew for a while yet me thinks
Summer flexicrew could easily be supplemented to winter flexicrew and then a permanent position might only start at 500hrs, 1,000hrs, unfrozen ATPL...
I don' know what's going to happen. I do know that there are going to be far too many people in the CTC pool than there will be pleasing placements for them. I suspect those swimming for some time will go bankrupt and that a trickle could easily turn into a flood.
*Then* wait 18 months, borrow £33k from Mum & Dad and go to Ryanair for 6 more momths earning not much and then, hey presto, discharge your 2yr bankruptcy order and immediately become a Brookfield Contractor on £3,000 a month (cross your fingers for 900hrs per annum mind) and you only owe £33,000 to your parents and nothing to HSBC!
I should set up a consultancy for this..
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I don' know what's going to happen. I do know that there are going to be far too many people in the CTC pool than there will be pleasing placements for them. I suspect those swimming for some time will go bankrupt and that a trickle could easily turn into a flood.
*Then* wait 18 months, borrow £33k from Mum & Dad and go to Ryanair for 6 more momths earning not much and then, hey presto, discharge your 2yr bankruptcy order and immediately become a Brookfield Contractor on £3,000 a month (cross your fingers for 900hrs per annum mind) and you only owe £33,000 to your parents and nothing to HSBC!
I should set up a consultancy for this..
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12 ATP and 6 Wings Cadets are already type rated so they will be the first to leave the pool, if and when recruitment happens...
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"12 ATP and 6 Wings Cadets are already type rated so they will be the first to leave the pool, if and when recruitment happens... "
Surely it is a matter of when rather than if....I'm sure easyjet will take as many cadets as possible, simply because of cost.. CTC's cadet product has proven to be of a high standard and just also happens to be fairly cheap. I believe the number of 18 type rated guys is fairly accurate, so for them to take 50 would reduce the cadet hold-pool by approx 30.
Surely it is a matter of when rather than if....I'm sure easyjet will take as many cadets as possible, simply because of cost.. CTC's cadet product has proven to be of a high standard and just also happens to be fairly cheap. I believe the number of 18 type rated guys is fairly accurate, so for them to take 50 would reduce the cadet hold-pool by approx 30.
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Well Easy are contracted to take 40 a year from CTC, assuming they recruit. I'm not sure how much weight this has though and I for one will be extremely relieved when the CTC-EasyJet contract is re-signed in December........
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So they are renewing the contract in a month? It will be disastrous for them if they don't.
It doesn't 'happen' to be, it is engineered to be.
and just also happens to be fairly cheap
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Why would EZY re-new the CTC contract in December when our friends at ATP can provide as many fare paying F/O's as required?
ATP Boys and Girls would appear to provide a valuable source of income and there is not the slightest contractual hint of a commitment.
Let them pay and fly, until their credit runs out, offer them a few more hours for free beyond the 150hrs if required. Then 'reload' with the next eager cheque book waving kids. Fabulous!
Times are very hard and, if people are willing to pay to work, the accountants must be keen? ATP must be attractive to EZY.
ATP Boys and Girls would appear to provide a valuable source of income and there is not the slightest contractual hint of a commitment.
Let them pay and fly, until their credit runs out, offer them a few more hours for free beyond the 150hrs if required. Then 'reload' with the next eager cheque book waving kids. Fabulous!
Times are very hard and, if people are willing to pay to work, the accountants must be keen? ATP must be attractive to EZY.
