The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.
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Yeah but that's not what people want to hear so you can't say it. You are, of course, absolutely right. I was absolutely astonished to read CTC are increasing their prices and by such an amount. If they are needing to do that given the current economic climate I would be even more aware. Certainly do not let a price increase at a certain date force your decision to begin training......
Think of your pilot training like taking passengers on a flight. Would you take 4 passengers up in a seneca single crew with 50kts of crosswind and thunderstorms everywhere? If you would, you are suffering from 'get-there-itis' (see:Worldandnation: 'Get-there-itis' can be fatal for pilots)
Commencing pilot training right now is VERY comparable. You'd be crazy to. I have personal experience of get-there-itis in several flying and non flying areas and it ALWAYS leads you to a cock up. It means you take irrelevant, made up information and make it the most important factors in your decision making. DON'T DO IT.
Mattyh1986 I'd love to hear you back up how you can say:
There has never been a worse time to begin training. FTOs could very really go bust, there are huge hold pools of trained pilots building, There is a huge amount of flux within the industry in terms of Ts and Cs i.e. FlexiCrew and Paying to fly. I'd recommend letting things settle down. As I have said go and do a PPL if you have enough money to cut amount needed to be borrowed to £40-50K. Without knowing your finer details it sounds to be a good training solution for you or anyone looking to begin training so desperately right now.
Think of your pilot training like taking passengers on a flight. Would you take 4 passengers up in a seneca single crew with 50kts of crosswind and thunderstorms everywhere? If you would, you are suffering from 'get-there-itis' (see:Worldandnation: 'Get-there-itis' can be fatal for pilots)
Commencing pilot training right now is VERY comparable. You'd be crazy to. I have personal experience of get-there-itis in several flying and non flying areas and it ALWAYS leads you to a cock up. It means you take irrelevant, made up information and make it the most important factors in your decision making. DON'T DO IT.
Mattyh1986 I'd love to hear you back up how you can say:
My argument is, as long as you can afford it without risking too much and as long as you have a back up plan, now is an excellent time to train, you wont start for at least 2-3 months so your looking at the best part of 2 years maybe more before you find yourself looking for a job, the situation is grim at the moment but it wont stay like this.
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Blablablabla.... Enough guys, why don't you create your own topic??? You don't want to start your training now? Fine, do so, nobody will blame you but please don't come with your boring considerations.
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Hi guys this is my first post on here. I've just made it through stage 3 yesterday and have been offered a place on a course starting in July (just before the 9k rise comes in!). I thought I would share some interesting information with you - there is no longer a stage 4!
CTC have said there were so few failure rates in the sim and the PILAPT tests and numerecy tests were enough to satisfy their requirements for the cadet scheme.
I've read through quite a few posts, there seems to be a lot of negativity at the mo to whether now is a right time to start training - at the end of the day it is YOUR choice. I understand that I will have a lot of debt for a while and may have to wait a bit for a placement with an airline after training, again MY choice. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions I understand this but this thread as far as I can see is to share experiences with CTC, not to slate it.
Just wanted to say congrats to those who made it through, and good luck. I've been cabin crew for the last 5 years and have spoken to a lot of my flight deck colleagues who have all had good things to say about CTC. A few of them have even trained with CTC and have said it is one of the best out there and the set up is top notch.
Before I go anyone have any advice on where to go for financing this? I hear HSBC are good, plus the Spanish bank CTC told me about, I don't speak spanish tho, all I know is 'dos san miguel por favor'.
CTC have said there were so few failure rates in the sim and the PILAPT tests and numerecy tests were enough to satisfy their requirements for the cadet scheme.
I've read through quite a few posts, there seems to be a lot of negativity at the mo to whether now is a right time to start training - at the end of the day it is YOUR choice. I understand that I will have a lot of debt for a while and may have to wait a bit for a placement with an airline after training, again MY choice. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions I understand this but this thread as far as I can see is to share experiences with CTC, not to slate it.
Just wanted to say congrats to those who made it through, and good luck. I've been cabin crew for the last 5 years and have spoken to a lot of my flight deck colleagues who have all had good things to say about CTC. A few of them have even trained with CTC and have said it is one of the best out there and the set up is top notch.
Before I go anyone have any advice on where to go for financing this? I hear HSBC are good, plus the Spanish bank CTC told me about, I don't speak spanish tho, all I know is 'dos san miguel por favor'.
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Originally Posted by Chief475
CTC have said there were so few failure rates in the sim and the PILAPT tests and numerecy tests were enough to satisfy their requirements for the cadet scheme.
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Chief,
Well done on passing the selection, and not having to sit in a simulator!
Experiences of CTC can be good, bad, and so-so. It is always useful for people to hear all sides to the story, from those who are about to train, to those who are actually airline pilots. There's nothing wrong with views which paint a negative view of CTC so to help people to make an informed decision. In fairness to the recent replies on here, the emphasis has been on timing and training, and the impact to placement if airlines continue on a summer-only contract. Most agree that the standard of training is good, certainly in the piston stages of flight training.
Jerez use that Spanish bank as well, and I don't think a requirement is to speak Spanish. Be aware that your loan will be in Euros, and of course, CTCs bill is in UK pounds!
Well done on passing the selection, and not having to sit in a simulator!
Experiences of CTC can be good, bad, and so-so. It is always useful for people to hear all sides to the story, from those who are about to train, to those who are actually airline pilots. There's nothing wrong with views which paint a negative view of CTC so to help people to make an informed decision. In fairness to the recent replies on here, the emphasis has been on timing and training, and the impact to placement if airlines continue on a summer-only contract. Most agree that the standard of training is good, certainly in the piston stages of flight training.
Jerez use that Spanish bank as well, and I don't think a requirement is to speak Spanish. Be aware that your loan will be in Euros, and of course, CTCs bill is in UK pounds!
there is no longer a stage 4!
Shame about that though, the sim is the only bit of the selection process which is actually fun!
You won't get much out of HSBC these days - if you could, CTC would still be pointing you in their direction rather than towards BBVA. Speculating here, but you might be able to get the loan in Pounds, BBVA do have a UK branch apparently.
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Stage 4 abolished to ensure as many cadets as possible keep the sausage machine afloat.
Who knows? Perhaps tomorrow Stage 3 is abolished.
Excellent point regarding a fee reduction due to Stage 4 being abolished
Who knows? Perhaps tomorrow Stage 3 is abolished.
Excellent point regarding a fee reduction due to Stage 4 being abolished
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Maybe they just haven't got the capacity in the sims, what with all those type ratings they're doing for Wings Cadets and ATP guys at the moment....
Oh no wait a second....
Oh no wait a second....
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And what about CTC going bust???? Price raised up, phase 4 removed to attract as many people as posssible and make it easyer (kind of compensation now the HSBC scheme is no longer available)...
That sounds like XL which took bookings until the very last minute!!!
Be careful guys, be very careful
That sounds like XL which took bookings until the very last minute!!!
Be careful guys, be very careful
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No sponsor - I was joking about the speaking Spanish part just to let you know!
When I was at the assessment day at Dibden they also said that it was of course cheaper for them not to put people through the Sim! I don't think they will go bust to be honest, they must make a lot of money from the interest earned alone on all the security 'bonds'! Suppose the 9k rise could be to cover the deficit in payments from the airlnes to them as the partner airlines aren't taking many of the cadets at the mo?
I do feel sorry for those who failed at stage 4 previously, definently just down to luck then I guess with the timing of your application! Thanks to those advising me on finance, I've got an appointment with the bank on Monday!
When I was at the assessment day at Dibden they also said that it was of course cheaper for them not to put people through the Sim! I don't think they will go bust to be honest, they must make a lot of money from the interest earned alone on all the security 'bonds'! Suppose the 9k rise could be to cover the deficit in payments from the airlnes to them as the partner airlines aren't taking many of the cadets at the mo?
I do feel sorry for those who failed at stage 4 previously, definently just down to luck then I guess with the timing of your application! Thanks to those advising me on finance, I've got an appointment with the bank on Monday!
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I read a lot about it being a silly idea to start training now, unless it is modular and that low houred pilots will not be hired till something like 2012. Perhaps I am wrong but waiting a year and doing an integrated course would have you finishing around about that time.
If it's integrated that is best then a year is not that long a time to wait, plus it also gives you the advantage of being able to see what happens with the economy in general.
On a side not though, I would imagine that most people reading this want to do an integrated course - so what advice would people give about when to start one (just a guess, its not going to be pinned against you)
If it's integrated that is best then a year is not that long a time to wait, plus it also gives you the advantage of being able to see what happens with the economy in general.
On a side not though, I would imagine that most people reading this want to do an integrated course - so what advice would people give about when to start one (just a guess, its not going to be pinned against you)
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Hello All,
I'm new to this so go easy - with regard to the lack of recruitment from the airlines and the fact CTC is still training pilots at a rate of, approx, 20 per month - if, indeed, the industry does pick-up in, say, 2 years time, will there be an enormous pool of trained pilots within CTC?
I understand the pool is currently around 25- 30, and allowing for natural attrition within the airlines, would it be fair to anticipate this pool to carry on growing? meaning that even if training is started now with the hope that at completion the industry is back on its feet, there would be a sizeable queue before a job becomes available?
I'm new to this so go easy - with regard to the lack of recruitment from the airlines and the fact CTC is still training pilots at a rate of, approx, 20 per month - if, indeed, the industry does pick-up in, say, 2 years time, will there be an enormous pool of trained pilots within CTC?
I understand the pool is currently around 25- 30, and allowing for natural attrition within the airlines, would it be fair to anticipate this pool to carry on growing? meaning that even if training is started now with the hope that at completion the industry is back on its feet, there would be a sizeable queue before a job becomes available?
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They certainly aren't placing 14 people a month which is around about what they are taking. If inflow is greater than outflow you get overflow AKA a hold pool which will grow and grow and grow I predict.
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Yes richard000,
I expect in 2 years time, there would be 300 plus swimming in sh1t. (24 months X 14 per month approx).
Even if the industry does pick up in 2 years (which it won't), there will still be a back log. Write this year off and start training next year.
If you are that desperate to start in 5 minutes time, then I can only offer two pieces of advice:
1. Have 30K spare so you can start with a certain Irish airline as soon after finishing
2. If that is not an option, make sure you have a back up plan for 1 year+ straight after training. (i.e repayments and a job - but with enough money to keep yourself current).
I expect in 2 years time, there would be 300 plus swimming in sh1t. (24 months X 14 per month approx).
Even if the industry does pick up in 2 years (which it won't), there will still be a back log. Write this year off and start training next year.
If you are that desperate to start in 5 minutes time, then I can only offer two pieces of advice:
1. Have 30K spare so you can start with a certain Irish airline as soon after finishing
2. If that is not an option, make sure you have a back up plan for 1 year+ straight after training. (i.e repayments and a job - but with enough money to keep yourself current).
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I'm sure CTC would love to take their 14 cadets a months but people simply can't fund the training anymore... They were 11 in the latest CP, less than 10 planed for the next one. I assume it is one of the reason the ATP route has re-opened as ATP guys don't have to pay for their TR, they'll just be bonded with the airline they'll fly for...