EvelcyclopS

Guys, do you mind if i ask how you are funding this course?

chrisy08

Question... which could sound silly and stupid to some people but here it does... What is the difference between Cadets and ICP courses at CTC Wings?

99jolegg

You get put on to the ATP course providing you meet the pre-requisites (pass rates etc) but there is no reason why that won't happen. Even if the ATP scheme is closed, you'll still go on to it.

99jolegg

I believe it does. Yes, the "traditional" ATP scheme works like that but iCPers get entry into it assuming they meet the basic criteria.

I think it comes down to risk, most iCPers narrowly missed the criteria for Wings which could be down to any number of factors, but they have to have a cut off point.

If they give them (the cadet) the benefit of the doubt and they don't come up with the goods, they've set themselves (CTC) up for a fall. If the cadet goes on the iCP route, comes up with the goods then goes straight into the ATP scheme, they've benefited with the least risk possible.

Could well be wrong.

wirefly84

Hey guys and gals. My name is David and i have created a group on facebook called ' CTC Wings CP 72 / 73 / 74' i am on CP 73 myself but feel free to join up if you are - or might be on any of the above courses! Its good for general chit chat and frees up this forum for selection enquires.

Thanks Again!
David
CP 73

99jolegg

I got the impression that CTC management had a strong philosophy of "money doesn't come with natural ability to fly" i.e. a little less financial security is allowable as it provides the company with a mix of cadets from different backgrounds and probably some with better flying talents that would have otherwise been excluded due to lack of funding options....

Obviously, everything has changed and it's gone more to the style of money first, then skill.

Ollie23

I actually asked Daph about iCP out of curiosity when I went through the wings selection and she said that the aim was to gradually close ATP entry down to outside candidates as the iCP course develops and just use it exclusively for the iCP grads who do well in training. Its never going to be in CTCs interest to have anyone from Wings or iCP out of work if they can help it.
Be interesting to see how it develops.

mtanz0

Can anybody confirm whether the numeracy test for CTC Wings selection Phase 2 is mental or do you have pen & paper. I see people mentioning long division etc, which suggests paper, but also people recommending Trachtenberg's book on speed mathematics. Surely they don't expect you to do long division in your head (don't call me shirley).

Cheers.

Ollie23

You get paper to do the working out on but the test is on a computer. No mental long divison required.

I have got the Trachtenberg book you mention and although it’s interesting if you’re into that sort of thing I found it useless for the test, it’s full of new techniques for mental arithmetic which you don't need.
Just make sure you can do long division/multiplication, conversions for ccys, some basic fuel calcs(no prior knowledge needed), and some square/cube roots if I recall.

Best bit of advice I’d say is know all your times tables, if you can reel them off quickly it speeds you up no end when doing division/multiplication questions.

mtanz0

Cool, thanks for the info ! What are CCYs by the way ?

shgsaint

I think Ollie means Currency conversions. I hear these are pretty easy when you need to multiply but a bit harder when you need to divide them. I've been reliably told that 15 mins whiz by and when doing the maths test you should strictly give yourself a minute per question. Do all the really easy one's first that take 10-20 seconds then use the time in the bank to tackle the more elaborate questions.

A guy I know that did it answered all the questions. He wasn't sure if they were all right though as CTC never told him. Not that he care's. He should be off to NZ if he can sort the finance out.

SHG.

Ollie23

Yes I meant currencies. It’s all been said before in this thread with some full worked examples if I recall, you might want to read through. Anyway as I can’t sleep here is some more insight…

You will typically be given 2 conversion rates say $1.4 per £ and $1.2 per € you will then be asked how many euros would you get for "X" amount of pounds for example. So you either need to calculate the €/£ rate from the two rates given, or convert the original amount to $ using one rate then back to €.
That as hard as it gets. Other conversion are just simple ones like converting miles to km etc(you don’t need to memorise conversion rates they give them)

Its quite easy to get them all done in order and finish well inside the time limit you just need to be able to multiply and divide quickly on paper and have a comprehension of how conversions work.

Good luck.

SMOOTHFLIER

how many cadets are there now on recent courses starting?
have the numbers dropped after hsbc withdrew unsecured loan?

RobStob

CTC are planning to increase their training numbers significantly this year, or so they say.

I know there was a rumour that the course I was originally supposed to head out on had 20 cadets as opposed to the standard 10-15, however that may not have been true and might only have been the result of trying to accommodate a backlog of cadets waiting to get out to NZ.

R T Jones

20 cadets per cp? If they manage to pull that off I will be very impressed..Last few courses have had between 11 and 14 cadets, it certainly seems the finance is not having a huge impact on numbers. I do believe a large number of cadets have been placed recently though, surely that is good news. Perhaps its not looking too great in the medium term, but from correspondents from CTC management I am confident that cadets will not be left up the creek...

Ollie23

Must say i don't share your confidence...

Recent news on placements is good to hear though!

Nick1012

Hey guys, after ages of perusing this site thought I'd finally sign up and get involved...

I'm off to phase 2 on the 11th - anyone gonna be joining me? I need to book a place to stay still. To be honest I'm a tad more worried about phase 3 than phase 2 (if successful), my interview techniques are untested at best and I don't really have any aviation experience to chat about.

Looking forward to it though!

toomanytimes2009

Hi all! Also making my 1st post. Just wondering about this Get a head for the sky book. I think the price has gone up because people mentioned £12 before in the thread. It's now £15. Just wondering if people still think it is worth it? It was getting pretty good feedback but just wanted to check.

I'm also fairly untested aviation interview wise I mean. So is the book as good for preparation as people said? Would be grateful for any guidance and advice!

EvelcyclopS

I stayed at the house during my assessment, and it was very very nice, very freindly, very comfortable, and gives you a good idea of the rooms you will be staying in when you come to do your ATPL exams.

Top notch, well worth it.

mrfilbert

Would someone mind clarifying what the recent good news on placements is? I've been keeping half an eye on this thread and have just read back over the past 3 pages, but haven't actually come across anything about placement numbers recently, whether good or bad. Are we talking about flexicrew, or what? My apologies if I've missed something obvious but any info would be appreciated.

Filbert