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The CTC Wings (Cadets) Thread - Part 2.

Old 31st Oct 2008, 13:28
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Hi Clear prop!!!

Just a few queries about your post above:
  • What training grants are you referring to?
  • Which government subsidies are available to airlines for pilot training?
  • How can the airlines get a volume discount from something they don't pay for?
  • To offset a cost against corporation tax, you need to spend something; if the airlines are not paying for the training, they cannot offset the costs, can they?
  • To reclaim VAT, an VAT registered organisation must first have paid the VAT as an input tax. Are the airlines paying VAT; if so, what on? If they are, then the net effect will be nil as thy will reclaim it, so what is the benefit to them?
  • What is included in the "etc, etc"?
Not a journalist are you? Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
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Old 31st Oct 2008, 13:51
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There are no DA40's in NZ. Only DA20 and DA42's and the locally made Alpha. Cessna's change constantly, either because they end up in sewage works or due to lease arrangements but they had 172 R, S and older N models. Any of the older lads remember ELF or MDR?! Danger danger...
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Old 1st Nov 2008, 18:36
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...nor anything else. I remember taking off one time after a large rain storm had passed and as we rotated water gushed out from the air vents at the top covering me and a certain temperamental female instructor with water. Atleast I didn't own a kebab shop.....
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Old 2nd Nov 2008, 14:20
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Wait till you get on an Airbus then you will see some very "interesting" stuff...........!

BING, errrrr whats going on here then!!?!?!?!
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Old 2nd Nov 2008, 14:46
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Yes, reminds me of AQC on the 737-300. Failure of certain systems resulting in a badly decorated brightly lit Christmas tree miraculously forming above your head. Fantastic. Out with the 'What went wrong manual'...
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Old 3rd Nov 2008, 22:50
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The pond mishap

Don't the papers print some c**p.

I couldn't believe that the article posted above referred to the incident at Thames, unless there was another one that ended up in the poo as well.

However, a suspected engine problem near Thames meant the pilot was caught short - and had to make an immediate landing.
"It wasn't weather or wind. We think there was a cough in the engine, but we're not sure yet."
Not sure about having to make an immediate landing. He went round twice before the touchdown that resulted in the over run.

It wasn't weather or wind, Really? Part of the reason for the go rounds and the over run I suspect were due to landing downwind.

A cough in the engine? If he had time for three approaches it would seem that the engine was running just fine.

Mr Jones said he was impressed with the way the pilot handled himself and the incident. "I think he did quite well to be honest
From what I heard probably not that well handled at all.

The plane had since been pulled out of the pond and was grounded until it had been inspected.
It will be grounded a bit longer than for just the time needed to inspect it. Quite a bit of work needed to fix it, the pond water is not all that kind to electrical equipment, plus there is at least a wing that needs repairing.
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Old 3rd Nov 2008, 23:03
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NZ Cadets

You might not be getting a type rating but you spend time on the Beech 1900 and several guys have, and are, in the process of selection with Air New Zealands' subsiduary Eagle.
I'm pretty sure the only way you get 1900 time is to work for Eagle. No one I've heard of gets time on the 1900 with Eagle unless they work there, I could be wrong.

Some cadets apparently have have interviews and a couple of cadets have been successful, though from reading a thread on the D & G section it would seem one of these guys hasn't made too many friends with his attitude.

I wouldn't imagine that too many cadets will be taken on as a proportion of the total intake since they will not have the requirements to hold an ATPL by the time it will be needed.
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Old 4th Nov 2008, 07:24
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The comments on the D & G thread are not an elaborate joke. Yes, this may be a rumour network but from what I have heard from people much closer to the action than I, and obviously you, the comments on that thread are pretty well on the nail.

If you believe differently I think you are the one who has been had.

As for the comments about the Thames incident, I was responding to an earlier post on this thread about this event therefore I consider a reply on this thread to be quite appropriate. We all make mistakes, some more public than others, however I do find reports such as the one quoted above hard to accept when you know it isn't true. Why not just acknowledge the incident and leave it at that. Don't try and window dress things to make it look better than it is. That just destroys any credibility you have when the truth comes out.

By the way my info isn't from someone who knew someone who knew someone......
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Old 6th Nov 2008, 10:52
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Hi guys. iv just got a quick question (or maybe a few depending on how i type this). I recieve an email from CTC yesterday asking me if I would like to go through the reapplication as back in April I failed my initial interview but got asked to come back. Im wondering what is happening with CTC as I have heard rumours that the CTC Wings Cadets has changed from being an unsecured loan to a secured one which if true kinda screws me a lil!

Also if I do decide to go for it again-I didnt do to well on the group excercise apparantly so I would like to know what exactly they are looking for

Thanks for your help kids and good luck to everybody

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Old 6th Nov 2008, 12:24
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inside look at ctc

Hey, I would like to start off with a nice warm "hello" to everybody here that posted to this thread.

I`m rather new here on this forum, but since i pose an interest in CTC Wings cadet school i thought that a little inside help might do me good because i`m tired of readying everything on all the websites including the official ctc website.

It`s not that i don`t trust what`s written there but i`m just wondering how`s really the life there for a cadet...an opinion from somebody that`s there it`s nice aside from all the FAQ`s and videos i`ve been going through.

The thing is that i would like to start my training at the ctc facilities because i`m rather tired and sick of the crap that`s going around at the current academy i`m doing my training at.

I`ll be grateful to anyone who takes the time to answer a few of my question and share a little bit of the inside life there.
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Old 6th Nov 2008, 13:57
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Originally Posted by boquera
Im wondering what is happening with CTC as I have heard rumours that the CTC Wings Cadets has changed from being an unsecured loan to a secured one which if true kinda screws me a lil!
Yes, the traditional HSBC unsecured loan has stopped.

I don't know whether CTC have any other suggestions other than a visit of the highstreet banks...if there is something substantial they have arranged, I haven't read of it here.
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Old 6th Nov 2008, 16:10
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I must admit it's a pain to me that HSBC have stopped the loans.

I have my phase 3 re-assesment in January, however now I am unsure whether to go or not. I know that if I don't get an unsecured loan I cannot do it.

If I did continue selection would i be able to defer entry or anything?
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Old 6th Nov 2008, 19:02
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you have three months to go down every little alleyway into finding out how to get that money by hook or by crook, i'm almost SURE its possible somehow...
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Old 6th Nov 2008, 19:13
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Wannabe Zombie Army.

Despite the 19ft high flashing neon signs saying CRISIS! their quest to get into debt will never die.

I'm almost at the stage where despair gives way to laughter.

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Old 7th Nov 2008, 09:00
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I got to that stage a while back!

At least it's sunny in Nigeria............
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Old 9th Nov 2008, 11:26
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From the front page of CTC website:

All our graduates are usually offered the opportunity of full time employment with our partner airlines

advertising standards?
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Old 9th Nov 2008, 12:01
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Aerospace101 what exactly do you mean by that?

As for the loan - well yeah, HSBC stopping the funding is certainly a huge problem and it takes a lot away from what is so good about CTC in the first place.

Don't let it stop you from applying, that would just be crazy. Remember, you're paying them so if you do pass, you can defer it for ages!

And the loan? I know some guys on CTC now that are either self sunded or couldn't get a loan from HSBC for one reason or the other....And as far as I can tell, getting a secured loan all comes down to owning a house.

So, if you want to be a pilot, you've got to own a house, and use that as collateral for the bank. Don't have a house? Beg your mum/dad/aunt/uncle/granma/grandad/neighbour/friend to guarentee your loan with their house. I mean, no pressure - if you fail then everything they've worked for all their life to get their house mortgage free is gone.

On the other hand, if you don't fail - you're mint.

Anyways, CTC haven't released anything official about what, if anything, they're going to do about the HSBC funding problem. You never know, they might have something stashed up their sleeve and it may just be worth while waiting for that little extra month or two to see if anything is offered.
If not, it's time to start being extra nice to those parents!
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Old 9th Nov 2008, 12:22
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Hi Locarno,

My point is it should read: ( if 100% transparent & true)

"SOME of our graduates MAYBE offered the opportunity of full time employment with our partner airlines"

I think that paints the real picture?
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Old 9th Nov 2008, 13:02
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Appologies if this is a little off topic for a sec but does anyone know what CTC's policy is on re-applications? In 2004 when I was still at Uni I applied for the CTC/McAlpine scheme but failed after the first assessment day (on the group exercise, past on the PAT's). Its been over 4 years now and I thought I may be in with a shot at re-applying as the scheme has changed a bit and no longer has involvement from Mcalpine, but I checked on the website and they still have my failed application on file. Does this mean if you fail at any point you can never reply, even if you have more life and professional experience than when you failed previously?

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Old 9th Nov 2008, 14:18
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As I understand it, if you fail and are not specifically invited to reapply in the future, then you can't reapply. But you're right, the scheme has changed since the McAlpine days and I'm sure you were a very different candidate in 2004.

Why not ring them and ask? No sense waiting on here for further speculation on the matter when you could very easily find out the answer straight from the horse's mouth by picking up the phone.
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