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Old 3rd Oct 2006, 08:21
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Good stuff... thanks.

The months you quote, are they the months the AQC started or finished in e.g. is the May one the AQC that ended in May or started in May?
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Old 3rd Oct 2006, 08:56
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That's based on the start date.

29 May AQC 6
26 June AQC 10
24 July AQC 9
21 Aug AQC 7
?? Sep AQC 7
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Old 3rd Oct 2006, 11:55
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CTC easy TRs

Little update..

Current CTC cadets on easyJet TR are not as yet guaranteed a placement with the airline, and the next course won't start Type Rating until December. Not sure how this leaves the ATP guys, but the next 5 or 6 cadet courses have been promised easyJet, so you may be looking at other airlines, at least for the next few months.

Some of the cadets are looking at/being offered other interviews, CV's are being typed....
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Old 4th Oct 2006, 18:40
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calm before the storm

This pool needs stirring, starting to get a little stagnant, calm before the storm I hope.

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Old 5th Oct 2006, 07:31
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Snoop Delays at easy!

These delays at easy are confimred. The next lot of ctc wings cadets due to start type rating have to wait until at least December. This could be longer if past promises are anything to go by! This leaves them over 5 months behind schedule and it seems that both easy and ctc have left them with no source of income in the mean time! From what I know, most have had to find jobs to get by whilst on this ''sponsored'' scheme!!

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Old 5th Oct 2006, 08:50
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Thumbs up Understood

A rest period yes, you are exactly right there C, it's just a shame that this rest period will cost the cadets in question a hell of a lot of money, not only on general living expenses but also on the interest for the money they owe for the ''bond''..

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Old 5th Oct 2006, 09:06
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Question Job security ''job is still there''

In addition to my last post, my understanding of the scheme is that no contract has ever been signed by the cadet and the airline? Therefor this means that the airline can pull out at any time during the training process? Have I been misinformed?
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Old 5th Oct 2006, 11:52
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Yes and that has actually happened in the past, when easy have "reviewed their growth expectations". Luckily the cadets involved found jobs off thier own back.

I made the orginal post about cadet delays to give the ATP guys an idea of what is happening in the CTC world, didnt mean to take over the thread with cadet talk, sorry guys! Perhaps talks of financial implications of dealys etc would be best in the CTC Wings thread where all the potential applicants can catch wind of current reality???

stir stir stir... ;-)
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Wink Send this conversation to the wings thread?

Good idea geturwingover. Sorry for the congestion guys.
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All very disturbing.

Hopefully some of the other airlines will start dipping into the holdpool

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Old 6th Oct 2006, 11:16
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Originally Posted by Sky Wave
All very disturbing.
Hopefully some of the other airlines will start dipping into the holdpool
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Isn't it just? At least this post suggests some future movement, though perhaps not for a while.
My fingers are pruning and legs are tired from treading water for so long.
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Old 9th Oct 2006, 08:44
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10 days 'ish
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Old 9th Oct 2006, 09:48
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When did you finish?

We were told within two working days after you have finished!
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Old 9th Oct 2006, 10:17
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It was 6 days for the course that finished in June 06
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Old 10th Oct 2006, 10:27
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Any words of advice?

Can anyone tell me what the format of the AQC course is as in what happens when, what it covers, what their focus is on and the main things you remember about the course (eg the tough and easy bits!). All would be great info for those of us about to go into the AQC and hopefully join you in the pool!!!! Swimmers at the ready!!!

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Old 10th Oct 2006, 11:01
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Hi Bigjarv - best advice: Just go there, study and focus hard, familiarise yourself with all checklists, standard calls, flight profiles as well as you possible can. This will clear up a lot of capacity so you can get on with the rest of the flying. All the information you need will be given to you once you get there and you will have enough time to familiarise yourself with it while you are there.

The whole course is conducted during weekdays, you will have weekends off. The first 2 weeks are an MCC. Week 1 is classroom stuff about all sorts of multi-crew issues many of which will be familiar to you if you've done an MCC and from Human Perf. & Limitations. Lots of group exercises, discussions, videos involving MCC issues (airline accident stuff etc). Mainly enjoyable and relaxed. Try to get involved and answer questions, instructors will certainly try to involve you. Nothing to worry about here.

Week 2: MCC Sim. 5x4 hour sessions with your sim-buddy. 2 as PF, 2 as PNF. Starts off as a basic introduction to the sim and general handling. Over the course of the week various things are added, engine failures etc until you'll be left more-or-less on your own on day 5 to operate a flight in which various situations will be thrown at you. The important thing is that you follow the procedures you have been taught while adhereing to the MCC principles you've been learning in Week 1. Most of the time this week you'll be using the autopilot so you have the spare capacity to get used to these multicrew principles and procedures. Which leads to...

Week 3: Advanced handling. This is essentially the same as week 2. Except Day 1, back in the classroom for a bit more MCC stuff, consolidation and prep for what is to come. Then 4x4 hour sessions - very much as before but... no autopilot! So this will force you to be more adept at using the MCC and multicrew procedural skills that you've learnt. The last session is billed as a 'Final Assessment'! - but we were assured throughout the course that this was in no way a 'chop check' and it really is your performance over the length of the course that they'll look at. However, I think that if your instructor (in this case one that you have not had previously on the course) did notice any significant problems they would be taking a very careful look at the rest of your file.

I think most people on my course found it hard at times, i.e. the occasional flight where things weren't as smooth as they'd like resulting in a below average report. However, we all made it in the end. If you find yourself struggling with anything, just make sure you do something about it, study, speak to an instructor - they are there to help you, speak to other guys on your course. You should enjoy it - it's a very nice environment to learn in, with some very dedicated and enthusiastic instructors and the steep learning curve you are forced to go through makes it very satisfying.

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Old 10th Oct 2006, 13:52
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Wow,
What a fantastic response. Thank you very very much ChocksAway. That is really the kind of response and info that makes these forums such a worthwhile resource. I really appreciate it and I'm sure others will to!
Thank you
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Old 13th Oct 2006, 18:20
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How did everyone log the sim time in their logbooks? Could please PM exactly what to write?

Thanks
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Old 13th Oct 2006, 20:02
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How to log sim time

Mod,variant = I wrote "B737"
Registration = You need the reg number from the sim you where in...
And only log time under Synth. training.

Thats how i did, anyone that did it in another way? Then please speak up.

Regards, Spitfiire
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Old 17th Oct 2006, 07:45
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Current breakdown:

Heard a rumour that 9 out of 12 got through the latest AQC:

29 May AQC 6
26 June AQC 10
24 July AQC 9
21 Aug AQC 7
?? Sep AQC 7
?? Okt AQC 9

Total: 48

Congratulations and welcome in the pool
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