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You guessed it Modular.
I would recomend slightly away from Pete and say do your PPL in the UK at the weekends while working. Preferably as WWW has said in the past with a school who either does RAf cadetships or commercial training. Then Ground school distance learning with either Bristol or OAT. Hour building can be done either the Flying for Fun way of buying a share in a PFA type and doing it in Britain at the weekends /evenings. Or disappearing off to US/NZ/SA/Can etc in blocks. All while you are working and earning.
leave about 10-15 hours to do just before you start the commercial training.
Then complete your commercial training full time. Preferably decide if you are going to do the FI before and change your hour building before hand to get the 200 hours. Then get your IR after your have 5-600 hours instructing. Thus saving 15k for a bit longer. Or do cpl/ir/MCC full time in one go if you don't want to instruct.
On the subject of Instructing
Some people are suited to instructing some arn't. Personally I think it sounds better in an interview saying you always wanted to instruct and its was all part of your master plan than you did it because you didn't get a job afer 6 months. Without an IR you will proberly find it easier to get a job as a FI(R) because the owner knows your not going to piss off at a days notice at the wiff of an airline job. If you do instruct its very easy to let your IFR skills drop. Its better not to have them in the first place. Then when you really get into the swing of applying you have fresh skills and you are current.
you can get to the FI stage in about 12-18 months. There is nothing really expensive to keep current. After you have 1000 hours plus your into the next league of wannabies which has chopped the numbers down by a factor of 10. Then its time to spend the next 20k on IR and MCC to turn you into a marketable wannabie airline pilot. So in 24-30 months you will be CPL/IR/MCC/FI and 1k hours all for 40k you will have worked a year longer and have whatever FI pay you earned. Which won't be much but at least you will be getting some return.
Don't go near a JOC its pish save your money for sim practise the week before a sim check and also use some of it for err a certain persons or the other lady's day on interview techniques and CV prep. I don't know if either of the 2 people keep stats of success rates but I suspect that for the cost of one of these assement days you can have the same increase in your chance of landing a job as you can for the additional 25k.
I would recomend slightly away from Pete and say do your PPL in the UK at the weekends while working. Preferably as WWW has said in the past with a school who either does RAf cadetships or commercial training. Then Ground school distance learning with either Bristol or OAT. Hour building can be done either the Flying for Fun way of buying a share in a PFA type and doing it in Britain at the weekends /evenings. Or disappearing off to US/NZ/SA/Can etc in blocks. All while you are working and earning.
leave about 10-15 hours to do just before you start the commercial training.
Then complete your commercial training full time. Preferably decide if you are going to do the FI before and change your hour building before hand to get the 200 hours. Then get your IR after your have 5-600 hours instructing. Thus saving 15k for a bit longer. Or do cpl/ir/MCC full time in one go if you don't want to instruct.
On the subject of Instructing
Some people are suited to instructing some arn't. Personally I think it sounds better in an interview saying you always wanted to instruct and its was all part of your master plan than you did it because you didn't get a job afer 6 months. Without an IR you will proberly find it easier to get a job as a FI(R) because the owner knows your not going to piss off at a days notice at the wiff of an airline job. If you do instruct its very easy to let your IFR skills drop. Its better not to have them in the first place. Then when you really get into the swing of applying you have fresh skills and you are current.
you can get to the FI stage in about 12-18 months. There is nothing really expensive to keep current. After you have 1000 hours plus your into the next league of wannabies which has chopped the numbers down by a factor of 10. Then its time to spend the next 20k on IR and MCC to turn you into a marketable wannabie airline pilot. So in 24-30 months you will be CPL/IR/MCC/FI and 1k hours all for 40k you will have worked a year longer and have whatever FI pay you earned. Which won't be much but at least you will be getting some return.
Don't go near a JOC its pish save your money for sim practise the week before a sim check and also use some of it for err a certain persons or the other lady's day on interview techniques and CV prep. I don't know if either of the 2 people keep stats of success rates but I suspect that for the cost of one of these assement days you can have the same increase in your chance of landing a job as you can for the additional 25k.
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Assessment day
Has anybody heard when they have to go down to Oxford yet? I'm a tad worried about their lack of flexibility;
"because timescales for the selection process are tight, any candidate who can not attend Oxford on the dates allocated will, unfortunately, not be considered further for possible sponsorship."
That would be perfectly alright if I didn't have a graduation and 21st birthday within the allotted time period!
Fingers crossed for no clashes!
Anyone know how many people will be there on each of the 10 days?
FLAC
"because timescales for the selection process are tight, any candidate who can not attend Oxford on the dates allocated will, unfortunately, not be considered further for possible sponsorship."
That would be perfectly alright if I didn't have a graduation and 21st birthday within the allotted time period!
Fingers crossed for no clashes!
Anyone know how many people will be there on each of the 10 days?
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Cheers
Dave,
Thanks very much for your reply but I think i'm gonna leave it, I've been to Stage 3 of CTC Wings and to FTE and done there aptitude tests so i've got a good idea that I could pass day one (not wanting to sound cocky though).
I don't have the best paid job at the moment so even £200 is a fair bit of money to spend and although I may get past day one I don't like my odds after that.
Think I may take Mad Joc's advice and try and find the cash to go modular, once again thanks for your reply.
Sharky
Thanks very much for your reply but I think i'm gonna leave it, I've been to Stage 3 of CTC Wings and to FTE and done there aptitude tests so i've got a good idea that I could pass day one (not wanting to sound cocky though).
I don't have the best paid job at the moment so even £200 is a fair bit of money to spend and although I may get past day one I don't like my odds after that.
Think I may take Mad Joc's advice and try and find the cash to go modular, once again thanks for your reply.
Sharky
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I think I'm going to do what’s been suggested by mad_jock. I will undertake my PPL and perhaps fATPL with BGS whilst finishing off my PhD, then go full-time modular to get my CPL/IR/MCC and if money permits, FI. I have enjoyed tutoring the undergrads at Aston, so hopefully instructing wouldn't be too foreign to me, although I know circumstances would be very different.
I think the only scheme I would consider applying for now in terms of "sponsorship" is the CCAT/FlyBe scheme (not MAPS). But there's no point pinning ones hopes as I believe the ratio of applicants to positions is extremely small.
Cheers.
eP
I think the only scheme I would consider applying for now in terms of "sponsorship" is the CCAT/FlyBe scheme (not MAPS). But there's no point pinning ones hopes as I believe the ratio of applicants to positions is extremely small.
Cheers.
eP
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hi all, got the email to say i'm through to stage 2, and after some enquiries I can tell you that there were 200+ applications, of which 120 are through to stage 2. From here OAT will send 12 applicants through to TCA for Stage 3, to fill 6 places.
Good luck to everyone else who's through to stage 2!
Good luck to everyone else who's through to stage 2!
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FLAC how did you get on with regards to your dates? I was worried due to the same reasons, I graduate on the 14th but have our uni grad ball on the 12th too!
Fortunately my dates have come through as the 20/21st, so all is well as far as scheduling goes.
All the best.
Rob
Fortunately my dates have come through as the 20/21st, so all is well as far as scheduling goes.
All the best.
Rob
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Originally Posted by fly20
hi all, got the email to say i'm through to stage 2, and after some enquiries I can tell you that there were 200+ applications, of which 120 are through to stage 2. From here OAT will send 12 applicants through to TCA for Stage 3, to fill 6 places.
Good luck to everyone else who's through to stage 2!
Good luck to everyone else who's through to stage 2!
Im not fantastic at maths, but i am able to work this one out:
120 people (stage 2) X £195.00 =
£23,400.00 - Not bad for a days work in oxford????????
Im trough to stage 2 myself, best of luck everyone.
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Originally Posted by rsr3
FLAC how did you get on with regards to your dates? I was worried due to the same reasons, I graduate on the 14th but have our uni grad ball on the 12th too!
Rob
Rob
Godspeed fellow PPRuNers!
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More advice!!!
Hey people,
I'm not sure how but I managed to recieve an invite to phase 2! My dates are the 18th/19th July. Does anyone have any advice about the maths and physics we are going to be tested on, what areas to study up on etc? I'm not entirely sure how appropriate this is but I've just finished a HND in Aeronautical Engineering. Like the rest of you guy's going, I sincerely hope I get through! Good luck to all.
Rob152
I'm not sure how but I managed to recieve an invite to phase 2! My dates are the 18th/19th July. Does anyone have any advice about the maths and physics we are going to be tested on, what areas to study up on etc? I'm not entirely sure how appropriate this is but I've just finished a HND in Aeronautical Engineering. Like the rest of you guy's going, I sincerely hope I get through! Good luck to all.
Rob152
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See my post here: http://www.pprune.org/forums/showpos...23&postcount=3
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Hi,
I am going to Oxford for phase 2 on July 18 & 19.
Does anyone will be there at the same time ? I'll stay at the accomodation on the campus.
Any information about this phase 2 ?
Thanks a lot
Gabriel
I am going to Oxford for phase 2 on July 18 & 19.
Does anyone will be there at the same time ? I'll stay at the accomodation on the campus.
Any information about this phase 2 ?
Thanks a lot
Gabriel
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Hello folks,
I'm attending Stage 2 on Monday 17th and will be staying in a hotel (Hollybush Guest House) a few miles from the airport on the Sunday evening. If anyone's in the area and fancies a frosty...erm...orange juice the night before the fun and games, feel free to PM me.
V1R
I'm attending Stage 2 on Monday 17th and will be staying in a hotel (Hollybush Guest House) a few miles from the airport on the Sunday evening. If anyone's in the area and fancies a frosty...erm...orange juice the night before the fun and games, feel free to PM me.
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so has anyone been through stages two and three yet?
How did ye get on?
Have you any feedback that might be useful for anyone who has yet to sit them? What did your day consist of?
Best of luck to those that have completed their stages, and waiting to hear how they did. Any word on when you might get a result?
How did ye get on?
Have you any feedback that might be useful for anyone who has yet to sit them? What did your day consist of?
Best of luck to those that have completed their stages, and waiting to hear how they did. Any word on when you might get a result?
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Just back from Oxford -very sweaty and tired.
Great meeting the guys attending stage 2 on Monday and Tuesday. Really enjoyed the team exercises on the second day - think we worked well together and had quite a bit of fun
For those still to attend, my only advice for day 1 is be well rested. For day 2 just relax and enjoy it - the assessors are very friendly. Most importantly (I know it's been said before but it's true) - BE YOURSELF!
All the best,
V1R
Great meeting the guys attending stage 2 on Monday and Tuesday. Really enjoyed the team exercises on the second day - think we worked well together and had quite a bit of fun
For those still to attend, my only advice for day 1 is be well rested. For day 2 just relax and enjoy it - the assessors are very friendly. Most importantly (I know it's been said before but it's true) - BE YOURSELF!
All the best,
V1R
I completed stage 3 selection with V1R and ditto what he says about the comptuer tests. Was a pretty enjoyable two days actually even though the whole process was intense. Im waiting for an e-mail to see how i did! Good luck to everyone who took part.
Many Thanks
Dan
Many Thanks
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just got the email back having just sat stage 2, but didn't make it to the final TCA stage 3. has anyone else who did their stage 2, day 2 on friday 21st july (L,K,D,D,R) got through to the third round?, good luck if you have!
let me know
L
let me know
L
